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 Posted: Mon Feb 22, 2010 3:10 pm
Lol well their is a study that says in a few million years Earth will move into a black hole XD
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Posted: Mon Feb 22, 2010 3:10 pm
havikthecold Thats what I don't belive in Deil. People since the begining of time have thought that thing were out their that could be all powerfull and would make up hundreds and hundreds of stories of diffrents gods that did diffrent things. Then some one said "Well my god can do all that and some" Who is to say the Mayan gods wernt real, or Greeks Gods, or any of the other Gods who were made up along the path of time. And the Idea that God is all knowing and all powerful and has a plan for everything then why did he kill every Dinosaur [Sp?] or why did he make a angel that would betray him and then burn peoples souls for ever? If thts the God you belive in then you must belive that once he is done with this fase of his plan than he will just kill every human off like he did with the Dinosaurs. See there's a different God with every denomination, or at least, they believe in a different God with different guidelines and nature. What you've done is taken the Christian conglomerate and turned it into a God smoothie. Most denominations do however, promote a God that allows you to choose, and thus that gives leeway in some of those issues. The angel chose to betray him for example. I don't think God controls every aspect of the world, he doesn't choose when it rains and where, and how many drops fall in that puddle. There is a certain amount of autonomy in the universe.
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Posted: Mon Feb 22, 2010 3:14 pm
A. If the dinosaurs were still around, I don't think we would have had time to make weapons to kill them before they killed us.
B. On the point of god killing us all, of course that's the plan. Have you ever heard of somebody living on earth forever? No, because everybody dies. This life is just a test.
C. God started this plan knowing he would be betrayed and forsaken by some. Just as Jesus knew from the beginning that he would be betrayed by Judas. That was in his plan the whole time. What exactly this whole plan entails, nobody but him knows. And hell is the punishment for those who did not believe in God and follow his path. Its been around since God made the earth.
D. Think about it, how would having multiple gods work in the first place? If they ever had an argument, then how would they solve it? Its not like they could kill each other. Our God is the only one, and has given proof that he is the one and only true god.
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Posted: Mon Feb 22, 2010 3:16 pm
Augoeides I don't think God controls every aspect of the world, he doesn't choose when it rains and where, and how many drops fall in that puddle. There is a certain amount of autonomy in the universe. That's true, He can't MAKE you believe in him. This religion is based completely on faith, and you can't force someone to believe something that they do not want too.
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Posted: Mon Feb 22, 2010 3:16 pm
Well to me Religon has caused just as much sufering as it has helped people.
Their have been mass murders in the name of God, I just wish everyone exepted the fact that their may or may not be a God and their is no way to know untill your dead. Then maybe people would live to enjoy life in a healthy manner.
To me liveing life in a way that makes you feel good about yourself, to me that is the way to whatever God their might be out their.
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Posted: Mon Feb 22, 2010 3:24 pm
havikthecold Well to me Religon has caused just as much sufering as it has helped people. Their have been mass murders in the name of God, I just wish everyone exepted the fact that their may or may not be a God and their is no way to know untill your dead. Then maybe people would live to enjoy life in a healthy manner. To me liveing life in a way that makes you feel good about yourself, to me that is the way to whatever God their might be out their. Sentence 1: That's due to false religions and Christians not doing what God told them to do, and doing what He told them not to. Sentence 2: Hence the faith aspect I just mentioned. You DON'T know, that's what faith is all about. Sentence 3:There is nothing you can do to make yourself get into heaven, just as there is no way to keep yourself from dying. Only through faith, which is not a physical action, can you get in.
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Posted: Mon Feb 22, 2010 3:24 pm
Deil Grist A. If the dinosaurs were still around, I don't think we would have had time to make weapons to kill them before they killed us. B. On the point of god killing us all, of course that's the plan. Have you ever heard of somebody living on earth forever? No, because everybody dies. This life is just a test. C. God started this plan knowing he would be betrayed and forsaken by some. Just as Jesus knew from the beginning that he would be betrayed by Judas. That was in his plan the whole time. What exactly this whole plan entails, nobody but him knows. And hell is the punishment for those who did not believe in God and follow his path. Its been around since God made the earth. D. Think about it, how would having multiple gods work in the first place? If they ever had an argument, then how would they solve it? Its not like they could kill each other. Our God is the only one, and has given proof that he is the one and only true god. So your saying God killed every dinosaure because if he didn't they might kill us? I don't want to be bhind a god like that, do you? Why would God make things such as sex and fighting so much of sin if it is so appealing to some people it would be like he is playing a twisted game to see what he can make people do. Your god is the highlander? If their is one being that has the power to control so much what makes you think their cant be two or three or hundreds? It just dosn't add up to me their has to be a system to thing in the universe and havein someone or something that has control of everything dosnt fit a system And I am not saying eveything is explanable, because I have done thing that should cripple people but I am healthy, So I understand better than most about how things can bend out of the realm of normality however if their is only one all powerfull being in the endless vast that is the universe... I just see how it is possible
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Posted: Mon Feb 22, 2010 3:32 pm
havikthecold Deil Grist A. If the dinosaurs were still around, I don't think we would have had time to make weapons to kill them before they killed us. B. On the point of god killing us all, of course that's the plan. Have you ever heard of somebody living on earth forever? No, because everybody dies. This life is just a test. C. God started this plan knowing he would be betrayed and forsaken by some. Just as Jesus knew from the beginning that he would be betrayed by Judas. That was in his plan the whole time. What exactly this whole plan entails, nobody but him knows. And hell is the punishment for those who did not believe in God and follow his path. Its been around since God made the earth. D. Think about it, how would having multiple gods work in the first place? If they ever had an argument, then how would they solve it? Its not like they could kill each other. Our God is the only one, and has given proof that he is the one and only true god. So your saying God killed every dinosaure because if he didn't they might kill us? I don't want to be bhind a god like that, do you? Why would God make things such as sex and fighting so much of sin if it is so appealing to some people it would be like he is playing a twisted game to see what he can make people do. Your god is the highlander? If their is one being that has the power to control so much what makes you think their cant be two or three or hundreds? It just dosn't add up to me their has to be a system to thing in the universe and havein someone or something that has control of everything dosnt fit a system And I am not saying eveything is explanable, because I have done thing that should cripple people but I am healthy, So I understand better than most about how things can bend out of the realm of normality however if their is only one all powerfull being in the endless vast that is the universe... I just see how it is possible Your sentence 1: Of course I want a God that does that. That's him protecting us. Your sentence 2: He created sex as a way to continue our race through procreation between a man and a wife. Temptation is the Devil's doing, and it allows God to test out faith. Such examples as immoral sex and fighting are things the Devil tempts us with that are alluring to the flesh. Your sentence 3: Who do you think made the system? Somebody had to make it and control it, just like this guild. Logic, especially like that, is what makes faith so hard yet awarding. Sample: You get an incurable cancer, and you have a few weeks to like. You end up being cured and living another 40 years. Such are the rewards of faith.
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Posted: Mon Feb 22, 2010 3:39 pm
Well because I enjoy fighting with my freinds and we hurt and beat he piss out of each other but their is no anger we will go to hell?
I don't belive in got or religon however my body has gone threw more pain and damge than most people go threw their entire life. I should be cripple or dad however I walk around healthy, I am not awarded by my faith for I have none in any set god and I also have pre marital sex, so how do you explain those things.
No one has to make a system you agreed with Aug when he said god didn't say were and when it rained but their is a system to weather and that is why it can be predicted with some work. That is the kind of system i ment th univers has and haveing one all mighty being would destroy that kind of system their would have to be a push pull thing going on with two or more powerfull beings
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Posted: Mon Feb 22, 2010 3:48 pm
havikthecold Well because I enjoy fighting with my freinds and we hurt and beat he piss out of each other but their is no anger we will go to hell? I don't belive in got or religon however my body has gone threw more pain and damge than most people go threw their entire life. I should be cripple or dad however I walk around healthy, I am not awarded by my faith for I have none in any set god and I also have pre marital sex, so how do you explain those things. No one has to make a system you agreed with Aug when he said god didn't say were and when it rained but their is a system to weather and that is why it can be predicted with some work. That is the kind of system i ment th univers has and haveing one all mighty being would destroy that kind of system their would have to be a push pull thing going on with two or more powerfull beings Sentence one: Actually, no. As long as you are treating them with respect and without hate, and you do not kill them, then you aren't doing anything wrong. For example, boxing. Boxers aren't going to hell just for playing that sport. Sentence two: I can't explain why you went through pain, and why you can still walk. And life today isn't like it was in the beginning of the Bible, you don't just die or lose an arm for sinning. There was a huge lesson I learned a few months ago at church: God's Mercy: Not giving us what we deserve, which is the pain of death for sinning. God's Grace: Giving us what we don't deserve, which is forgiveness for sin. Sentence three: God created the universe, and all that is entailed with it. What I meant by him not being able to control everything is our actions. He can't make us believe in him, or not have sex with our girlfriend, or give all our money to the poor. Conversely, he didn't make that guy kill his wife, or that guy take drugs, or that man lose faith in his religion. Those are all choices we make.
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Posted: Mon Feb 22, 2010 4:00 pm
Well when you use those types of aguments their is no point is the discussion for their is no argument for he created everything
The facts are that becuse of religon their have been pointlss murder and coutless people tourtured and beaten in the name of a god that might or might not really be their weather God controls if I go to hell or heaven dosnt mtter to me, if he was truely as powerful as you say he could stop all this pain but he dosnt theirfor he is usless to me nd shouldn't be praised if you want a god that will watch someone be raped or murdered from hit throne in the heavens than you can but to me it is a sad un productive way to live.
I do not wish to further the discussion please reply to this and lets move on XD
On another note any ideas on loseing weight I gotta shead alot of weight SOON. About 30 pounds in three months... stupid boot camp
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Posted: Mon Feb 22, 2010 4:07 pm
PURPLE
So how is people I don't know
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Posted: Mon Feb 22, 2010 4:12 pm
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Posted: Mon Feb 22, 2010 4:14 pm
havikthecold Well when you use those types of aguments their is no point is the discussion for their is no argument for he created everything The facts are that becuse of religon their have been pointlss murder and coutless people tourtured and beaten in the name of a god that might or might not really be their weather God controls if I go to hell or heaven dosnt mtter to me, if he was truely as powerful as you say he could stop all this pain but he dosnt theirfor he is usless to me nd shouldn't be praised if you want a god that will watch someone be raped or murdered from hit throne in the heavens than you can but to me it is a sad un productive way to live. I do not wish to further the discussion please reply to this and lets move on XD On another note any ideas on loseing weight I gotta shead alot of weight SOON. About 30 pounds in three months... stupid boot camp Sentence 1: That's the thing, you can't argue that the universe just created itself. 'Precious logic' can't even explain that. Sentence 2: I really shouldn't have said he can't, the right word is doesn't. What do you want God to do to the rapists and murderers? Kill them? He's beyond that. Like I said, his Mercy and Grace. It is also a test for the victims, and again God didn't MAKE them do those things. Those were results of giving into temptation. But I can't make you believe what I say, nor force you to believe what I believe. I just say what I think I should say in defense of my religion, and leave the rest up to you. I'll respect your request unless you have more questions. So, why do you have to lose all that weight?
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Posted: Mon Feb 22, 2010 4:26 pm
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