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PostPosted: Wed Dec 10, 2008 1:15 pm


Yup. If there's one problem America has, it's over complication. The education system is a great example of that. I won't get into that much, because I was given the short end of that during my formal education, and the fact that people care more about some number on a piece of paper than how truly intelligent you are anymore makes me absolutely furious. You can bet that I'll not be sending my kids to public school; no way.

But I agree, all this branch nonsense started off well, but it's gotten a bit ridiculous. I think the Rebublican/Democrat deal is rubbish, as well, but I guess people need some kind of label to slap on each other when dealing in disputes.
PostPosted: Wed Dec 10, 2008 1:25 pm


i just wish i knew where along the line America decided to Indoctrinate everybody into a System.... neutral hardly anybody even KNOWS they can make any choice other than Democrat or Republican, and i see both of those parties playing a part in that. and my personal experience with public school screwed me over, because i grew up hippie and when i went to public school i was actual PREVENTED from learning, by the Principle and Dean, because i refused to be Christian, because i wore alot of black clothing, because i am bisexual, and because i actualy want to truely learn. the codebook itself said that nobody is allowe dto discriminate based on race, religion, gender, sexuality, sexual identity or other such things. i expected the students to still do so, and didn't care much if they did. but they were actualy non-discriminating. the tecahers and staff however, THEY discriminated against me on ALL of those fronts, except for being white! and only one teacher cared any bit for my education at all. Mr. Forgione, my American History teacher, who taught me much more than American History. he was a great man! and he is a Hero to me.

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PostPosted: Wed Dec 10, 2008 1:57 pm


That's basically exactly what happened to me. I wasn't allowed to take math class, because I failed math. Yay logic. Was suspended so many times for so many asinine reasons that I couldn't have possibly passed, even if I cared to at that point. They tried to send me to Crossroads, which is essentially a school for juvenile delinquents, populated by gang members, drug-addicts, and the general refuse of society. The school's principal took one look at my personal work and my test scores and declined, telling them I was too smart for the cirriculum there, and if they were bright, they'd put me in advanced English, Physics, and anything that would be considered difficult by their standards. They made the excuse that doing so would be unfair to the other students, because I didn't work to get into those classes. Which is funny, because in my opinion, the general population of students in themselves are lazy. Hardly any of them actually care about knowledge; just a grade on a paper is all they need, then they're set. I, on the other hand, can't hope to count all the nights I've spent up reading history, mythology, English thesis, philosophy, sciences, and physics. Because I wanted to. When they couldn't send me there, they tried the boys and girl's ranch, which is even worse. Not only stupid/mentally unstable, a large amount of the students there are so messed up that rules are instilled that you cannot wear things like belts/earrings because they might rip them out and kill themselves with it. And they have a padded room set aside specifically for venting.

So, that just goes to show you how ******** up schools are these days. I still fully intend to finish college because with the nosediving economy the way it is, it's practically a necessity, but I will keep my beliefs on education for as long as I live. My kids are bound to be ADD, given my father was, my soon to be husband is, I am, my sister was, and most of my aunts and uncles on the Bronson side are. I won't put them through the misery I was put through, having people tell them they won't amount to anything because of some god damned bureaucratic school board's skewed perception of a number being what makes an intelligent person.

Don't fight the system too much, but if your heart tells you not to believe it; keep your values. There's a shortage of truly smart people in the world, Zack, and though I think you're a weirdo, respectively, I can tell you are an extremely knowledgeable without a doubt. Don't let anyone else tell you otherwise.
PostPosted: Wed Dec 10, 2008 2:05 pm


seems we've found a real simmilarity.... yeah, i understand your point about not fighting the system too much... i have to be able to survive in it long enough to get my plan stable enough to work. but i still feel that not enough people are fighting the system enough! anyways, gotta go... seeya.

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PostPosted: Wed Dec 10, 2008 3:18 pm


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and i didn't say "all" i said "in general." -.- there a few, not many in my experience, MY HONEST PERSONAL EXPERIENCE AS I HAVE ALREDAY STATED, smart Americans. and in my honest personal experience, every foriegner i have ever met, online and in person, was extremely intelligent.

sides, Li, why reason would anyone from another country have to say or do ANYTHING nice to Americans, when America is such an arrogant and rude country to the rest of the world?
In MY personal experience, only a few are rude to foreigners, and that is because they get exasperated at them, because they did not take the time to learn English before going to an English Speaking country. And we (Which I doubt we are if you have ever met the French) are only rude and arrogant, because we can be. America is one of the few surviving Super Powers, which gives us the ability to say and do ( To an extent) whatever we want.

i'm not going to say that i'm right and your wrong. but i still don't believe that being a superpower gives america the right to do whatever it wants. that's highly unethical, and very unclassy. i don't like the ability to sue. i realy hate law-systems anyway...
By being a super power, I meant that it has the power to put force Behind it's ideals, such as freedom of speech. I think that the ability to sue, is both good and bad. Because sometimes it is necessary. But, I do think it gets way out of control sometimes.
PostPosted: Wed Dec 10, 2008 5:02 pm


Since the other two intelligent and delightfully insane people are talking about their school experiences, I figure I may as well relate mine too. Mine runs a little happier by the end though. The readers should have a happy ending XD

In kindergarten, I was tested for the TAG (Talented and Gifted) program and scored within the top 1% of the country. At 6 years old, I had a 5th grade math comprehension and a high school reading comprehension. I spent grades 1-3 in a school specifically built for advanced students. I was doing things in early elementary that most kids don't even touch until middle school. From kindergarten until 3rd grade, I was like you Sereth. I'd study for the sake of studying. I'd only watch animal planet, the discovery channel, and the history channel and had no interest in "kiddy stuff" (... 'cept the animals. XD).

Halfway through 3rd grade, I had to move to another district without a special school and was thrown in general ed because there wasn't enough room for me in their TAG program. THIS is where my hunger for education just died, and my personality turned from optimistic and confident to seething, biting, and violent. In a last-ditch effort to keep me stimulated, they put me in a "multi-age" 3rd-5th grade classroom. Essentially, I repeated 5th grade three times. I came hairs from being able to skip into 6th grade, but believed the transition from elementary to middle school would he too hard for me to handle as I was already socially... ******** up. XD (I was such a weird little kid omfg). All my friends in elementary and middle school were teachers (save rajani from 7th grade!) and not peers. To this day, my friends are, on average, 2-5 years older than me, and I have no problems at all socializing with people over twice my age. I feel more comfortable in the company of 25-40 year olds and feel like I have to act like a stern mother to anyone under 20. I can't stand children younger than 13 or so. Do I have a pathological problem? Probably not, although there's a slew of traits I posses that I've spotted in my AP Psychology textbook and winced at.

The only thing I can really remember from middle school was meeting Rajani, who is the single most important person to me alive next to my father.

High school started out a bout of psychological hell, and is only now starting to switch gears from 'just do what I have to do and ignore life' to an actual hunger for education again.

Underclassmen: my uncle and grandmother died within weeks of school starting in freshman and sophomore year respectively. I also had some other personal life hell that I'll spare you guys.

Upperclassmen: Junior year was still rocky, and I was separated from Rajani by a 6 hour drive. Up to this point, I spent equal time amongst her family as mine, right on down to having double-holidays and chores at her house! When she left, I was completely devastated and was definitively clinically depressed (though refused to see anyone about it) as well as turning absolutely VICIOUS on the odd-days I didn't feel like my world was ruined. The depression's lifted, but the attitude problem really hasn't.

SENIOR YEAR IS GREAT. A little stressful since there are only so many hours in the day for attending school, sleeping, and doing homework and between Debate, AP Psych, and Humanities, laziness, and an RP addiction... Yeah I get swamped. XD

I can't wait for college when I can pursue a major in what I WANT (Psychology, criminal) at... a bit more of a relaxed pace. 5 classes a week is certainly better than 6 classes a day!

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PostPosted: Wed Dec 10, 2008 5:04 pm


>.> Who are the intelligent/insane people?
PostPosted: Wed Dec 10, 2008 5:11 pm


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>.> Who are the intelligent/insane people?


XD Two. I can't count. Sereth and Zacky.

*edits, grumbling about damn textbook cramming murdering braincells*

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PostPosted: Wed Dec 10, 2008 5:13 pm


I don't try in school very hard because I really don't think I will make it to graduation.
PostPosted: Wed Dec 10, 2008 5:25 pm


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I don't try in school very hard because I really don't think I will make it to graduation.


I could have graduated next month if I got the papers in, BUT, all the fun stuff happens second semester senior year. Prom... senior skip day... the senior freeze tag day*... senior checklist**...

*Every year, the campus seniors divide into 3 teams (usually black, tie-dye, and camo) based on who your AP is and we play freeze tag. Most teachers actually excuse senior tardies if they're in freeze tag gear since they're standing there in the hall for all of passing. XD

** There's usually a checklist of minor senior pranks. Some from last year were "fishing for freshman" (tagging the freshies with those toy fishing rods. XD once you get to be a senior you can see the freshie aura), putting pinwheels on all the security trucks, and graffiti-ing every avaliable concrete surface with chalk.

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PostPosted: Wed Dec 10, 2008 5:38 pm


*half of brain cells asleep or comatose from irresponsible librarias and cramming books into my skull for three finals in one day*
PostPosted: Wed Dec 10, 2008 5:38 pm


>.> My school's teachers are die hard a**-wipes. They think their job it to make our life miserable, instead of teach.

There was a food fight, last day of school last year, the seniors started it, they had to go to 62 hours of summer school if caught helping, same went for the ones that skipped the half-day after that. If they didn't, then they didn't get their diplomas.

I never really got picked on as a freshman, even thought it was so obvious I was one.

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PostPosted: Wed Dec 10, 2008 5:52 pm


Lady Liriel Baenre
>.> My school's teachers are die hard a**-wipes. They think their job it to make our life miserable, instead of teach.

There was a food fight, last day of school last year, the seniors started it, they had to go to 62 hours of summer school if caught helping, same went for the ones that skipped the half-day after that. If they didn't, then they didn't get their diplomas.

I never really got picked on as a freshman, even thought it was so obvious I was one.


Everyone thought I was a junior my freshman year. XD

@ Akirachi: Here's my schedule.

Friday: AP Psych Test on chapter 16 (just finished); AP Psych test on an hour-long lecture; Graphic organizer for the outline of Schizophrenia out of the DSM IV due.

Monday: AP Psych unit test (~20-30 pages of notes on brain physiology) and MASSIVE debate project due.

Tuesday: AP Psych test on Chapters 2, 3, and 5 (approx. 150 pages).

Wednesday: AP Psych test on 7 case studies surrounding brain physiology.

Thursday: Humanities test over the Roman Empire, Islam, the Middle Ages, the Anaeid, and Dante's Inferno.

Friday: 250 notecards due with Brain Phisiology definitions for AP Psych

...

Then I get to go on winter break and do my Humanities research projects.

EDIT: So what am I doing? Sitting on Gaia. XD
PostPosted: Wed Dec 10, 2008 6:22 pm


I think I'm schitzo sometimes.

But I don't really hear voices....

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PostPosted: Wed Dec 10, 2008 6:50 pm


Lady Liriel Baenre
I think I'm schitzo sometimes.

But I don't really hear voices....


I'm about 95% positive I went through a clinical depressive episode junior year and possibly freshman year, and people think I'm either bipolar or sociopathic, but I'm neither. Yes, I have pretty nasty mood swings (non-PMS) but nowhere NEAR the pathological level and I don't meet any of the "manic" requirements or the time requirements. Sociopath: yeah, I'm a cold-hearted b***h, but I feel remorse and compassion and empathy.
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