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razer_ice_hanyou

PostPosted: Sat Jul 26, 2008 2:22 am


don't ya love when on first turn you shoot 4 lascannons at a monolith just to see it sat on the ground slowly and fall over, makes the necron player crap there pants
PostPosted: Sat Jul 26, 2008 9:45 am


[.Psycho.Doughboy.]

That's the common belief. The boys on mars have got one surprise waiting for them.


If you read the Necron Codex among other items, it seems that the Mars' Machine Adeptus had knowledge of what was under their surface. Personally I think the early Machine Cultist knew, then somewhere along the line sort of "forgot", and then recently it seems that members of the Machine Cult have been getting visions. As in t he aforementioned Necron Codex, at least one senior member tore all his cybernetic implants out when he found out what the machine spirit really was. The Imperium is currently holding him in an underground vault and isn't letting the word get out.

I'd be more worried about The Deceiver though. The Nightbringer is upfront and obvious, the Void Dragon doesn't seem to care too much either way, and the outsider is still lost in space. The Deceiver's the tricky one that's already infiltrated the Imperium and the Eldar's Harlequin Cult.

Elegant Egotism


[.Psycho.Doughboy.]

PostPosted: Sat Jul 26, 2008 3:57 pm


Serebrate
[.Psycho.Doughboy.]

That's the common belief. The boys on mars have got one surprise waiting for them.


If you read the Necron Codex among other items, it seems that the Mars' Machine Adeptus had knowledge of what was under their surface. Personally I think the early Machine Cultist knew, then somewhere along the line sort of "forgot", and then recently it seems that members of the Machine Cult have been getting visions. As in t he aforementioned Necron Codex, at least one senior member tore all his cybernetic implants out when he found out what the machine spirit really was. The Imperium is currently holding him in an underground vault and isn't letting the word get out.

I'd be more worried about The Deceiver though. The Nightbringer is upfront and obvious, the Void Dragon doesn't seem to care too much either way, and the outsider is still lost in space. The Deceiver's the tricky one that's already infiltrated the Imperium and the Eldar's Harlequin Cult.

This is true enough, but while the Deceiver is the more scheming of the three, he's the weakest of the four. Weak enough that while the Necrontyr were still mortal it would actually divert would-be servants to other C'tan so he wouldn't catch their ire. Even now, the Deceiver is very careful to operate under the radar of Nightbringer, not interacting with him unless necessary. In the codex it also mentions how careful he was that the other C'tan weren't awakened until he needed them. You're right that the Nightbringer is much more up front, but he's also much more terrifying and powerful, the Outsider is off going batshit somewhere, maybe in the webway, I dunno, and the Void Dragon, it's not that it doesn't care so much that it's still in stasis. And while it is on Mars, and not Terra. It's one planet over. I don't care how awesome of a cannon your moon is. Once Void Dragon's up, it's curtains for the Sol system, in my opinion, and without Holy Terra, the Imperium is gone.
PostPosted: Sat Jul 26, 2008 5:24 pm


Well, that's assuming the C'Tan are all aggressive. Perhaps the Machine Dragon would be pleased with the Adeptus on Mars?

True, he's weaker - but that doesn't matter. He never fights himself and would instead send deceived forces. I mean, he had the Harlequins fooled for quite some time, has an entire planet if not more of Imperial Forces ready, and who knows who else is under his control. A WAAAGH! wouldn't be too hard to trick, he could tell the Dark Eldar that She-who-will-not-be-named will be pleased if they raid so and so. As far as Imperial forces are concerned, he might say that he is the Emperor reborn or whatnot and try and fool everyone.

Either way, combat with the C'tan isn't too difficult. You just need a direct concentration of fire to attempt to pierce their necrodermis and release their essence. Of course, it's only temporarily as they're just repair. The question is how many necrodermi are available?

Elegant Egotism


Lord Godwin

PostPosted: Sun Jul 27, 2008 12:32 am


Sweet action. I just fought my first battle. I pound an eldar force. It was a 1000 point game. He scored 310 points against me and I hit him for 520 points.
PostPosted: Sun Jul 27, 2008 2:16 pm


@Serebate: True, the Deceiver could conceivably do something like that, but that would more than likely take a fair amount of time, and you forget, Nightbringer used to level entire systems for the ******** of it, even if he's weaker than before, I think a single planet wouldn't be too much trouble. In terms of gameplay, Nightbringer wades through so much fire on a regular basis. The only thing that can consistently kill him is sniper fire, otherwise, pray. As for how many necrodermi are out there. I can't say for sure, but my guess would be a lot.

@Godwin: Congrats. Show those twigly space elves what for.

[.Psycho.Doughboy.]


Lord Godwin

PostPosted: Wed Jul 30, 2008 10:45 am


Thanks! And any group that thinks it can throw down with my tomb and live will find out just how much I want to feed on their souls. twisted
PostPosted: Thu Jul 31, 2008 12:10 am


Well, if you imagine that the C'tan work similarly to how they do with the advent of fifth edition, every time that their body is destroyed, they become weaker. The C'tan are not real gods, but instead very powerful entities that feed off of energy and seemingly have no physical substance. I for one think that they'd be rather easy to destroy, but it's just that no one has gotten the right idea. They have only been combatted against with conventional means, and while the Bolter and Chainsword might work against most things, they can only harm the phyiscal body, the Necrodermis. I'm sure that some sort of particle weapon they could use that to kill, injure, or even "poison" the C'tan.

Also, being that the C'tan abhor psykers and their ilk, what would happen if one had fought against Eldrad Ulthran, Tigurius, or Ahriman? I imagine that when fighting against some of the most powerful psykers in the galaxy they'd have some sort of problems.


And as per the Deceiver infiltrating the Harlequin cult, I'd like to see your source for that one. I've never heard anything of the sort, and I don't think that Cegorach would take to kindly to it. In my opinion, the Laughing God is a better deceiver than the Deceiver himself, and so I don't think that he'd fall victim so easily at his own game.

Xenos Mortium


[.Psycho.Doughboy.]

PostPosted: Thu Jul 31, 2008 3:07 am


The particle weapon theory seems rather speculative to me, although I can see your train of thought. As for psychers, the warp, and all the powers it bestows, are anathema to the c'tan. I don't know exactly what reaction it would have should they come into contact with enough warp energy, but it would no doubt be painful in the extreme or fatal for the c'tan. However, if a necron force is taking the field with psychers, at least fluff-wise, the force would contain a detachment of pariahs to throw the psychers into disarray.
PostPosted: Thu Jul 31, 2008 5:54 pm



Perfect solution:

You guys have said that the warp is anathema to the C'tan, correct? Well, here's my though. There are a few weapons that use the warp for their shot, most notably the Big Mek's SAG. However, there is only one weapon that can be carried within forces that actually creates a rippling disturbance through real space to tear open a hole into the warp. That weapon is the Conversion Beamer. Now that the Marines have them back, I'd like to see the results.

Caleidah

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Oryn

PostPosted: Thu Jul 31, 2008 8:39 pm


Xenos Mortium
I for one think that they'd be rather easy to destroy, but it's just that no one has gotten the right idea. They have only been combatted against with conventional means, and while the Bolter and Chainsword might work against most things, they can only harm the phyiscal body, the Necrodermis. I'm sure that some sort of particle weapon they could use that to kill, injure, or even "poison" the C'tan.

Considering C'tan in thier natural state feed off of stars, which generate the impressive and constant stream of particles we call the solar wind, I doubt a particle weapon would be of much use.

Xenos Mortium
Also, being that the C'tan abhor psykers and their ilk, what would happen if one had fought against Eldrad Ulthran, Tigurius, or Ahriman? I imagine that when fighting against some of the most powerful psykers in the galaxy they'd have some sort of problems.

Keep in mind that during the War in Heaven, the Nightbringer dueled Khaine himself. I doubt piddly psykers and sorcerers are going to seriously worry beings which have stood toe-to-toe with the actual gods the lesser beings worship.

Caleidah

Perfect solution:

You guys have said that the warp is anathema to the C'tan, correct? Well, here's my though. There are a few weapons that use the warp for their shot, most notably the Big Mek's SAG. However, there is only one weapon that can be carried within forces that actually creates a rippling disturbance through real space to tear open a hole into the warp. That weapon is the Conversion Beamer. Now that the Marines have them back, I'd like to see the results.


Here's something just about everyone overlooks: the definition of anathema. Anathema doesn't mean that something is a weakness of yours.

dictionary.com
a·nath·e·ma Audio Help /əˈnæθəmə/ Pronunciation Key - Show Spelled Pronunciation[uh-nath-uh-muh] Pronunciation Key - Show IPA Pronunciation
–noun, plural -mas.
1. a person or thing detested or loathed: That subject is anathema to him.
2. a person or thing accursed or consigned to damnation or destruction.
3. a formal ecclesiastical curse involving excommunication.
4. any imprecation of divine punishment.
5. a curse; execration.


The C'tan HATE the warp, and it does not appear they have a great deal of control over it, other than being able to seal it away, but it's not necessarily their weakness.
PostPosted: Thu Jul 31, 2008 8:57 pm


I know what anathema means, but the thing is that it is sort of a weakness since they can't stand to be around it. Sort of like how the Culexus Assassin is an anathema to Psykers, they can't stand to be around one.

Also, the C'tan in their natural state feed off star - true - but in the mortal plane they are forced into a necrodermis. They can alter reality around them to certain extents but are by no means invulnerable.

I'm not quite sure where it says the C'tan don't like the warp, though.

Elegant Egotism


Oryn

PostPosted: Thu Jul 31, 2008 9:15 pm


Serebrate
I know what anathema means, but the thing is that it is sort of a weakness since they can't stand to be around it. Sort of like how the Culexus Assassin is an anathema to Psykers, they can't stand to be around one.

You're missing the point. Something being anathema to you doesn't mean that you are repulsed by it. Something being anathema to you means you hate it with every fiber of your being and want to see it destroyed. The Culexus example is misleading because yes, psykers hate pariahs and nulls, but they hate them because they're weakened by them, they're not weakened by their hatred of them.

Serebrate
Also, the C'tan in their natural state feed off star - true - but in the mortal plane they are forced into a necrodermis. They can alter reality around them to certain extents but are by no means invulnerable.

C'tan don't reside in some immortal demi-plane where stars are represented by fruit. C'tan have always lived in the physical universe. They existed for eons as giant clouds of energy that eat something from stars(EM energy, high energy particles, it's never explicitly stated). They took no notice of lesser life until the Necrontyr condensed them down and placed them in Necrodermis. The Necrodermis doesn't pull them from another reality into ours, it's more analogous to a suit that would bring you down to a level where you could experience personal interaction with bugs or bacteria. When you 'kill' a C'tan in it's Necrodermis, you're not slaying a god. All you've managed to do is pop the suit-balloon that keeps them at our level, and they revert (i.e, explode) back to being a big amorphous energy entity.

Serebrate
I'm not quite sure where it says the C'tan don't like the warp, though.

Right in the codex where it says "The warp is anathema to them." I.E. "The warp is hated and consigned to destruction by them."
PostPosted: Thu Jul 31, 2008 9:50 pm


Oryn
Xenos Mortium
I for one think that they'd be rather easy to destroy, but it's just that no one has gotten the right idea. They have only been combatted against with conventional means, and while the Bolter and Chainsword might work against most things, they can only harm the phyiscal body, the Necrodermis. I'm sure that some sort of particle weapon they could use that to kill, injure, or even "poison" the C'tan.
Considering C'tan in thier natural state feed off of stars, which generate the impressive and constant stream of particles we call the solar wind, I doubt a particle weapon would be of much use.
Well, that's assuming that all particles have the same effect. For instance, in Watchmen Dr. Manhattan has control over atomic and subatomic particles, yet Tachyons are a weakness to him. I imagine that it would work the same way as that since we are based upon Carbon, Arsenic is highly poisonous to us. Just because the C'tan eat one kind of particle or many, it does not mean that there is not some kind that is harmful to them. They're just intelligent enough to not eat the poisonous stuff.

Xenos Mortium


The Black Messiah

PostPosted: Sun Aug 03, 2008 11:59 am


Hey, no-one's mentioned the juicy all-round 14 armour monoliths get in a while, so I think I'll do that now. Oh and because their made of living metal, nothing can count it as less than 14. HAHA, the futures bright, the future is a dull silver with blue shoulder pads. Did I mention the 14 amour?
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