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 Posted: Sun Aug 04, 2013 4:44 pm
Ah, then that's why Laxus ignored it. If I haven't made it painfully clear, he's kinda dense about implied warnings. That''s why he's always making the bad decision when it comes to implied warnings. sweatdrop
I thought he was a taijutsu specialist.
Cracks aren't that bad, but if it is actually broken broken it probably blows. I've also been in a wreck with simple bruising on my ribs. After the initial adrenaline left [I crawled out of the car myself before the paramedics showed up and tried to walk on my broken ankle(It was sideways and kinda at an odd angle. I spent most of the time waiting on the paramedics playing with it to see just how far I could move it without it hurting. I was fine with it until they tried to reset it...) and fell on my bruised ribs. I couldn't breathe for nearly half a minute. But since Ninja are supposed to be sturdier than regular humans, I'll just have them be bruised.
Oh, of course. Laxus will probably not get up, but he'll probably make a clone or something to help Shikaku a bit. Or just nut shot Kensei while he has the chance. xD
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Posted: Sun Aug 04, 2013 7:00 pm
Keep in mind that clones are made in the current state of the user. If your character is unable to move for some reason, the clone will be as well.
At the very least, Laxus should be able to back out of range since he's pretty much been ignored for a round now.
And he switched to Ninjutsu, so lost any strength boosts he would have from that.
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Hinote Tosatsu Vice Captain
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Friendly Conversationalist
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Posted: Sun Aug 04, 2013 7:19 pm
Random note. Kensei holds grudges. He would literally wait for the perfect moment to get payback. like with Shikaku and the razor wire for example. I'm pretty sure he's going to need to learn the tree climbing jutsu. Kensei would gladly teach him....Uchiha style.
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Posted: Sun Aug 04, 2013 7:42 pm
I just went with popped/briused ribs[popping ribs isn't very painful, but I'm able to pop all of my joints, so I'm a bit biased.] But he's not going to be running. Breathing is going to be hard for a while until he can find a good middle ground for breath depth and breath speed. sweatdrop
Ah... Wait, we can switch?
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Posted: Sun Aug 04, 2013 8:25 pm
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Posted: Sun Aug 04, 2013 8:31 pm
TvIaMsOqTuHeYz "He's carrying metal, quite a bit... If he's a clone, he's got most of Kensei's equipment." he said, loud enough Sora could hear.
Timmy. I have said this several times now, for the last several months, and once very clearly a few posts back in this very thread. Metal sensing is being removed from Jiton, for the sake of balance, and for that same sake, should not be used at all.
Further, and more importantly, you do not have the bloodline unlocked. This means you do not have the ability to use metal sensing in the first place.
Consider this your first and only official warning. If you continue to use and abuse your bloodline powers without first unlocking them properly and within the RP, by a method approved by a member of crew, you will have it removed from you and will never be able to use them at all. I have grown tired of myself and other members of crew telling you to cease, only to be ignored. We have given you leniency many times in the past on this and other matters because it is clear and well known that you misunderstand things often. However I was very clear the last time I warned you about this that it was to stop, and my patience has run out on this matter.
If you feel this to be harsh or unwarranted, you are free to bring it up with Gregar or Luo, but I am confident that they will agree with my decision. The only thing stopping me from going back and finding all the previous times you have been told you don't have your powers yet and to stop using them is the fact that we have been telling you this since nearly the first post you made with this character, about two years ago. Without remembering exactly when and where the related warnings were posted I am unable to do so, but I will say that I do, despite my parent's claims, have a very good memory.
Edit, with apologies for quote spam: This is not open for argument or debate. The problem is to be corrected in the post immediately, and you are to cease using any aspect of the bloodline until such time as it has been properly unlocked. The punishment for disregarding this order has been laid out, and can only be argued or overturned by Gregar or Luo.
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Posted: Sun Aug 04, 2013 8:41 pm
Hinote Tosatsu I've been willing to ignore the metal sensing to some degree so long as you don't blatantly metagame/godmod it because I plan on removing it anyways, but moving into active abilities of the unlocked bloodline is going a bit too far. I thought that this was an okay to do something like that. It isn't metagaming, and it isn't god modding. He isn't manipulating anything, and he's functioning within the given parameters of what you've already said you'd ignore. That being said, I'll edit it out. I was under the assumption that it would be fine because now he has Shikaku on his back, Razor wire around his neck, Sora's clone on one arm, Sora's Kunai heading for his shoulder should Shikaku actually get down, and Laxus' Clone made out of solid rock holding onto his other arm. Edit for clarification: Laxus can tell different sources of metal if I read the ability correctly, and since he can count the sources, he'd easily be able to tell through reference between one person to another about the average a shinobi carries. So knowing Kensei is carrying several pieces, more than 15, Laxus could guess that it is carrying most of his equipment. He never states that this is the real Kensei, he actually states the opposite.
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Posted: Sun Aug 04, 2013 8:42 pm
HadoKennie Random note. Kensei holds grudges. He would literally wait for the perfect moment to get payback. like with Shikaku and the razor wire for example. I'm pretty sure he's going to need to learn the tree climbing jutsu. Kensei would gladly teach him....Uchiha style. Now that's not fair. Kensei knows full well Shikaku is just doing his job. Why should he be punished for it? But yeah, I considered having him get some sort of tech for wall climbing instead, but he probably will need that jutsu. I'd love to see him just hanging upside down in a dark hallway waiting for a target to pass underneath.
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Posted: Sun Aug 04, 2013 8:47 pm
Edits have been made as per your specifications, and I'll refrain from using Laxus' innate bloodline ability in the future until it is unlocked.
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Posted: Sun Aug 04, 2013 9:01 pm
TvIaMsOqTuHeYz Hinote Tosatsu I've been willing to ignore the metal sensing to some degree so long as you don't blatantly metagame/godmod it because I plan on removing it anyways, but moving into active abilities of the unlocked bloodline is going a bit too far. I thought that this was an okay to do something like that. It isn't metagaming, and it isn't god modding. He isn't manipulating anything, and he's functioning within the given parameters of what you've already said you'd ignore. I did not say I would ignore it. I have added bold tags to the important parts of that sentence to note. Up to that point I had been attempting to ignore the problem when it was not blatant metagaming, but I clearly told you in that post that you were not to use any of the bloodline abilities again. That includes the metal sensing, which I had told you months ago was being removed, at which point use of it should have been discontinued immediately. My leniency towards the matter was only extended because I didn't feel like dealing with arguments about why you should be allowed the ability without properly attaining it. That leniency is now revoked. And it was metagaming. Whether or not metal held by clones would be considered metal by Jiton or not has not been properly considered, but it most likely would be. Besides that, attempting to use the ability to determine whether or not a character even was a clone or not is a clear attempt to use a special ability to allow a legalized metagame. A point which, I shall note, is one of the main reasons the ability is being removed. Using an ability you have been informed is being removed, in the exact way for which it is being removed, can't be excused simply by saying "You allowed it before". ~ To your last post: Good. I don't want to have to go forward with that warning any more than you want it to happen yourself. But, after having told you to stop several times over a number of years now, it had to be said. Just pretend the bloodline doesn't exist until you're able to unlock it properly. You can treat previous instances where it was used and can't be edited out in the same way as I treated David's learning of a katon jutsu by mistake. A new power manifesting itself, but not yet fully within your control. (You cannot however continue such acts with that excuse.)
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Posted: Sun Aug 04, 2013 9:22 pm
I know you didn't say you'd ignore it, I merely thought that you'd continue to ignore it until the ability was removed[ and I didn't metagame with it], at which time I'd cease using the ability completely. [unless you did what you spoke of and replaced it with an active jutsu equivalent.] It would be ludicrous to say that metal held by clones would or would not be considered metal. I can't remember where, but when making a clone, you don't make the projectiles you may be carrying, so any projectiles they carry have to be given to them. Therefore all projectiles a clone uses unless a projectile made from the clone are considered metal because they are metal just like the real body would use. The way it is written I feel that it is a passive ability from birth[by use of the word automatic.] And I still don't believe it is a metagame, since Laxus never came to the conclusion that it was a clone or the real thing. Metagame involves that my character come to a conclusion that would require out of character knowledge. He never came to such a conclusion, as I stated in my post. I never intended for Laxus to learn it was the real Kensei until Sora stabbed him. That being said, I concede my point, but retain that it was not a true metagame, because no conclusion as to the out of character information was achieved. ~ Just tell me when an opportunity to unlock it presents itself because as far as possible times go, Laxus has encountered that once, and I didn't want to clog the already clogged post order [Most of which I couldn't clearly follow because I'm pretty sure I misunderstood half of Cobra's and Luo's posts.] with Laxus jumping at the guy to use a jutsu that would have probably been used to damage Kensei or Yamatano. With those two playing front man, and not to mention Shinji playing human wrecking ball, Laxus would have been unable to get even remotely close enough to harm's way to unlock the ability. I couldn't claim the Lightning strike because he was protected immediately. [which there wasn't really an option B because that attack would have killed him otherwise.]
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Posted: Sun Aug 04, 2013 10:02 pm
Your definition of metagaming is wrong, and incredibly restricted. Your version allows an incredible amount of metagaming, with the only requirement to allow it being that the person performing the act writes it as "Merely suspecting" rather than just knowing. Whether a conclusion is drawn or not, if it doesn't change the actions it doesn't matter.
Metagaming can best be described as the acquisition of information with no substantiating event or reason for which the character should have it. Determining that Kensei was not a clone, regardless of whether you claim it wasn't "Proven", identifying a hidden character, or even just simply claiming you could identify Shikaku by his crossbow are all, while relatively minor, acts of metagaming just as much as any of Misa's actions back in the old days.
It doesn't matter if the information is "Proven" or not, or even whether the information is given to your character or another. If there isn't good supporting reasons for it, it is still metagaming.
Any act that gains, or even insinuates information you should not rightfully have is considered metagaming. I'm honestly toeing that line myself with Shikaku's growing suspicions of Kensei's true purpose. He likely won't get it, but he already has some idea that Kensei doesn't intend to kill anyone.
Well, except maybe Laxus.
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Who ever said clones don't have their creator's weapons? By that claim all clones should be naked, and Zabuza was hacking reality by having extra copies of his sword around. You can't make a clone and have them whip out explosive tags to get free infinite tags, but they would still have copies of anything you had on you when you made the clone. Things like explosive tags, chakra pills, or special custom weapon powers just wouldn't work, since it's a construct of chakra and, probably, an element rather than the real thing. Course, you then have to keep in mind that that weapon being damaged would disperse the clone, and the weapon is only as durable as the clone is. Making a clone and taking it's sword so you can dual wield, and then blocking with that sword would likely see the opponent slicing straight through the sword and into you.
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Posted: Sun Aug 04, 2013 10:27 pm
I never even said Laxus suspected it of being the actual Kensei. I stated that if it was a clone, it had most of his equipment on it.
I understand that you see it as metagaming because Laxus doesn't have the metal sense in your opinion [I'm not going to use it anymore, but the word automatic still screams automatically a passive benefit to me.] so I'll concede that from here on out it is metagaming. But for that instance before I finally gave in and simply decided to hold off for another year or so of Laxus being a Doton/Raiton user [Which I'm pretty sure I have to exchange his Doton jutsu for Raiton ones because he hasn't unlocked his bloodline and therefore his second chakra type. In which case, can I exchange cost for cost? Such as the cost of several E rank for a C rank technique based on jutsu scroll cost?] and quite possibly still a genin, I don't see it as a metagame, but the point is now moot since it has been altered. With metal sensing it would have had substantiating reason.
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If I remember correctly, it came up when someone made some clones, and thought they created their own tools.
In my opinion, Clones shouldn't have shinobi tools that function. Given your example of Clone+Sword, Zabuza clone blocked attacks with his sword, didn't he? If you use the anime and your own logic, then his clones should have dispersed. [Also, where did Zabuza use clones? O.o] I was also under the assumption that Clones actually were naked, their skin was just changed to form the user's clothes, rather than their nethers. At least that's how I've always thought they were formed. [I also thought the different clones formed similar to their element, like a Stone one was made like someone was chiseling it, the lightning one was made like a wire model on a computer, a water one was like someone filling up a glass shaped like the user, the wind one like someone blew up a person shaped balloon, and the fire one like someone put out someone on fire and only embers remained. Then they just color themselves in.]
Basically I just don't see the point of letting Clones be made with their own ninja tools.
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Posted: Sun Aug 04, 2013 10:45 pm
On another note, I kinda laughed when I read the Sanbi's description. Mostly because it has an injured right eye, and my newest character idea is actually missing his right eye and relies more on perception bonuses due to being an Inuzuka than sight to fight.
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Posted: Sun Aug 04, 2013 10:57 pm
Hinote Tosatsu HadoKennie Random note. Kensei holds grudges. He would literally wait for the perfect moment to get payback. like with Shikaku and the razor wire for example. I'm pretty sure he's going to need to learn the tree climbing jutsu. Kensei would gladly teach him....Uchiha style. Now that's not fair. Kensei knows full well Shikaku is just doing his job. Why should he be punished for it? But yeah, I considered having him get some sort of tech for wall climbing instead, but he probably will need that jutsu. I'd love to see him just hanging upside down in a dark hallway waiting for a target to pass underneath. Who puts razor wire around people necks (apparently Shikaku) but all jokes aside I'm watching dinocroc vs supergator (don't ask why.). This movie is sooooo bad.
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