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The Black Messiah

PostPosted: Wed Jul 09, 2008 2:30 am


Caleidah
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The Black Messiah
Great fun for me though, just need to save up enough to buy 2 more Monoliths, although it is funny using the counting as rule and have 3 scarab bases as monoliths xd


Seriously, make a proper base, or use something suitable monolithic, like a taped shut shoebox or something. I don't mind proxies and the like, but I hold any "counts as" models to the same basing and size rules that GW puts forth; i.e. you can re-base your models onto bigger bases for scenic purposes, but you can't use a smaller base than the one supplied. Or in this case, you can't use a model with a smaller footprint than the original. I mean come on, if you don't want to shell out for a Monolith, it's the easiest model to scratch-build a facsimile of, since all you need is a foam block and some patience.


For the sake of asking actual Necron players, what would you guys say is your most deadly unit that can be fielded for the sake of prioritizing targets in a potential Apocalyptic battle.

Damn...we need to rebuild the proxy thread with all of the discussion that's being done on it in various places...*heads to the modeling forum*


I'd say that the monolith is the best in a apocalyptic battle, 1*particle whip or the portal on the front to bring in more troop and 12 guass flaux arcs on the corners, combined with an nice 14 armour all round.

And yes, I could make a model to represent my monoliths, but me and the guys at out club still find it humourous when someone turns up late for an apocalpyse battle and doesn't know what what model is what until they start shooting.
PostPosted: Wed Jul 09, 2008 3:47 pm


The Black Messiah
Caleidah
Oryn
The Black Messiah
Great fun for me though, just need to save up enough to buy 2 more Monoliths, although it is funny using the counting as rule and have 3 scarab bases as monoliths xd


Seriously, make a proper base, or use something suitable monolithic, like a taped shut shoebox or something. I don't mind proxies and the like, but I hold any "counts as" models to the same basing and size rules that GW puts forth; i.e. you can re-base your models onto bigger bases for scenic purposes, but you can't use a smaller base than the one supplied. Or in this case, you can't use a model with a smaller footprint than the original. I mean come on, if you don't want to shell out for a Monolith, it's the easiest model to scratch-build a facsimile of, since all you need is a foam block and some patience.


For the sake of asking actual Necron players, what would you guys say is your most deadly unit that can be fielded for the sake of prioritizing targets in a potential Apocalyptic battle.

Damn...we need to rebuild the proxy thread with all of the discussion that's being done on it in various places...*heads to the modeling forum*


I'd say that the monolith is the best in a apocalyptic battle, 1*particle whip or the portal on the front to bring in more troop and 12 guass flaux arcs on the corners, combined with an nice 14 armour all round.

And yes, I could make a model to represent my monoliths, but me and the guys at out club still find it humourous when someone turns up late for an apocalpyse battle and doesn't know what what model is what until they start shooting.


"Phew, just a couple troop carriers... Wait, what do you mean, twin-linked lascannons?!"

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PostPosted: Wed Jul 09, 2008 7:45 pm


DarkElf27
The Black Messiah
Caleidah
Oryn
The Black Messiah
Great fun for me though, just need to save up enough to buy 2 more Monoliths, although it is funny using the counting as rule and have 3 scarab bases as monoliths xd


Seriously, make a proper base, or use something suitable monolithic, like a taped shut shoebox or something. I don't mind proxies and the like, but I hold any "counts as" models to the same basing and size rules that GW puts forth; i.e. you can re-base your models onto bigger bases for scenic purposes, but you can't use a smaller base than the one supplied. Or in this case, you can't use a model with a smaller footprint than the original. I mean come on, if you don't want to shell out for a Monolith, it's the easiest model to scratch-build a facsimile of, since all you need is a foam block and some patience.


For the sake of asking actual Necron players, what would you guys say is your most deadly unit that can be fielded for the sake of prioritizing targets in a potential Apocalyptic battle.

Damn...we need to rebuild the proxy thread with all of the discussion that's being done on it in various places...*heads to the modeling forum*


I'd say that the monolith is the best in a apocalyptic battle, 1*particle whip or the portal on the front to bring in more troop and 12 guass flaux arcs on the corners, combined with an nice 14 armour all round.

And yes, I could make a model to represent my monoliths, but me and the guys at out club still find it humourous when someone turns up late for an apocalpyse battle and doesn't know what what model is what until they start shooting.


"Phew, just a couple troop carriers... Wait, what do you mean, twin-linked lascannons?!"


"This piece of paper is a Vindicator."
"But it says that its a Chimera."
"Ignore that. Its a Vindicator."
"What about the other ones marked Chimera?"
"Those are Rhinos."

I've had it happen...its kinda sad...

Obviously Monoliths are the main threat in any Apocalypse battle. I'd like to see their Tomb Fighters become models at some point. I think that I heard about them through Forge World.
PostPosted: Thu Jul 10, 2008 4:36 am


DarkElf27
The Black Messiah
Caleidah
Oryn
The Black Messiah
Great fun for me though, just need to save up enough to buy 2 more Monoliths, although it is funny using the counting as rule and have 3 scarab bases as monoliths xd


Seriously, make a proper base, or use something suitable monolithic, like a taped shut shoebox or something. I don't mind proxies and the like, but I hold any "counts as" models to the same basing and size rules that GW puts forth; i.e. you can re-base your models onto bigger bases for scenic purposes, but you can't use a smaller base than the one supplied. Or in this case, you can't use a model with a smaller footprint than the original. I mean come on, if you don't want to shell out for a Monolith, it's the easiest model to scratch-build a facsimile of, since all you need is a foam block and some patience.


For the sake of asking actual Necron players, what would you guys say is your most deadly unit that can be fielded for the sake of prioritizing targets in a potential Apocalyptic battle.

Damn...we need to rebuild the proxy thread with all of the discussion that's being done on it in various places...*heads to the modeling forum*


I'd say that the monolith is the best in a apocalyptic battle, 1*particle whip or the portal on the front to bring in more troop and 12 guass flaux arcs on the corners, combined with an nice 14 armour all round.

And yes, I could make a model to represent my monoliths, but me and the guys at out club still find it humourous when someone turns up late for an apocalpyse battle and doesn't know what what model is what until they start shooting.


"Phew, just a couple troop carriers... Wait, what do you mean, twin-linked lascannons?!"


Or even "I'm going to be a cocky b*****d and use my brightlances on your scarabs, hahaha.
Ok roll against a 14 amour
I beg your pardon?"

The Black Messiah


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PostPosted: Sun Jul 20, 2008 5:14 pm


I love my monoliths. I'm so close to having my phalanx done. I used a store monolith to complete it at my last big battle and let me say, the look on your opponent's face when you drop a 3 monolith formation right in the middle of the table is hilarious. The 5th ed rules have made those things even harder to pop. My local (and I use that term loosely since it's actually 2 counties over) GW had a demolition derby on 5th ed opening night and the people that got knocked out were given an orbital bombardment on the target of their choice at the beginning of each round. There were quite a few younger kids there and I swear, either they hated my guts or destroying my vehicles was some sort of holy grail to them (despite the Baneblade shelling out fiery death each turn), because every turn I had like 3 bombardments go for the 2 monoliths I was using, and they just bounced right off of me. I actually came in second, outlasting the baneblade, but one lith got destroyed, and the other finally falling in a back-and-forth ramming contest with an Ultramarines land raider that basically became us not even talking about turns anymore, and just rolling the ram and damage dice until he got lucky.
PostPosted: Mon Jul 21, 2008 11:48 am


Pls can we talk about something else than the big armor14 all around monoliths? gonk
cuz we must never forget our necron warriors that benefit so nice from the new edition biggrin

After all the loyal footsoldiers capture objectives etc.

BTW, don't you love it when Necron Warriors march steadily toward some innocent Imperial Guard, with some Necron Lords amongst them heart , the only thing I love more is when they clash :p

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PostPosted: Mon Jul 21, 2008 1:01 pm


Necrons are a real pain...

Then again, I like a challenge and they certainly are that to play against - if they consist of lots of Warriors with Lords to keep them coming back. Monoliths are good (or rather: too powerful, near unkillable for anything short of a Railgun and hideously underpriced = BROKEN) but in 5th the warriors are the key.

The toughest basic infantry in the game, especially now Feel No Pain has been toned down (in the last days of 4th I'd have voted Death Guard for toughest) - these guys are good all rounders, like SM but harder. Though I wouldn't like to see them without Lords to protect them...
PostPosted: Mon Jul 21, 2008 1:52 pm


Epherion
Monoliths are good (or rather: too powerful, near unkillable for anything short of a Railgun and hideously underpriced = BROKEN)


I have no idea why people have this attitude that Monoliths are unkillable by anything but railguns. There's a ton of stuff that can kill Monoliths. Your typical Lascannon is just as effective against Monoliths as against Land Raiders and the front armor of Leman Russ tanks. Monoliths are particularly hard to claim cover for, because the model is so huge you can't cover 50% of it except with some particularly epic terrain. Anything that does a static damage roll instead of an AP roll works well also; haywire grenades, EMP grenades, Wraithcannon, etc.

Epherion
but in 5th the warriors are the key.

In 5th, Warriors are pants. You need three times as many Warriors to down a tank, and the new combat resolution rules make achieving phase out pitifully easy for assault based armies.

Epherion
The toughest basic infantry in the game, especially now Feel No Pain has been toned down (in the last days of 4th I'd have voted Death Guard for toughest) - these guys are good all rounders, like SM but harder.

SM and CSM are harder and more flexible. SM can have more bodies on the table for the same points, and can have special and heavy weapons which are better at knocking out tanks and MC's than Gauss Flayers. CSM can have Plague Marines, who, unlike Necron Warriors, are T5 and FNP, allowing them to survive an assault, where Warriors would crumble. WBB is great, except unlike FNP, which can't be circumvented except with the application of certain weapons, Isolating Necron units, and/or wiping them to a man prevents a WBB roll from ever being made. FNP would be better than WBB for Necrons in this edition.

Oryn


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PostPosted: Mon Jul 21, 2008 2:41 pm


I've just been reading the Necron codex because I had nothing to do and I read some where that they managed to land on Mars.
Isn't that like....super incredibly hard?
And why would they land on Mars, to awaken the Dragon maybe?
PostPosted: Mon Jul 21, 2008 4:22 pm


Jason Da Psycho
I've just been reading the Necron codex because I had nothing to do and I read some where that they managed to land on Mars.
Isn't that like....super incredibly hard?
And why would they land on Mars, to awaken the Dragon maybe?


Pretty much. Its an incredibly powerful C'Tan spirit, and its release would mean some big, big problems for the Imperium.

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PostPosted: Tue Jul 22, 2008 12:55 am


One ship damn near set down on terra I think. They key to winning with necrons against assault armies is a tight knit but effectively amorphous formation, and the application of at least one monolith. Keep all your warrior units within 6" of each other, and pull back the unit that you think's gonna be assaulted, but move the other units around to let the enemy unit into the middle of your formation. Your unit get's pulled into combat, you suffer some losses but if you're keeping your army in formation you should get your WBB rolls. Especially if you've got tomb spyders. and even if you fail it doesn't matter. Your movement phase, what do you do but teleport the warrior unit locked in combat through the monolith, which is faced toward the formation, since you can fire at anything, no matter what you're facing anyway, and you get to retry any failed WBB saves. Not only that, but your enemy's assault unit finds itself a sitting duck in the middle of a large crowd of necron warriors, with no cc to prevent you from annihalating it with massed fire until all that remains is squishy red bits. I did this to an old Khorne Berzerker army. From the old codex where they still had blood rage. It was hilarious, when they weren't raging into my monoliths for being the closest unit, they were being mowed down by my close combat bait-n-switch. I cut him down to the point that by turn six all he had was his HQ model with one wound and I was chasing it around the table.
PostPosted: Tue Jul 22, 2008 9:42 am


Caleidah
Jason Da Psycho
I've just been reading the Necron codex because I had nothing to do and I read some where that they managed to land on Mars.
Isn't that like....super incredibly hard?
And why would they land on Mars, to awaken the Dragon maybe?


Pretty much. Its an incredibly powerful C'Tan spirit, and its release would mean some big, big problems for the Imperium.


Might The Dragon be the machine spirit? just wondering twisted

The ships that assaulted Mars were 5 Necron Shroud Class Light Cruisers, they assaulted Mars on 998.M41.
They were accidentally detected by a commercial freighter stare ,
one of the ships got destroyed in the Phobos defence line on mars, it's explosion disrupted all targeting instruments of the entire defence line, the four others broke through and destroyed some of the huge mining-works, at least one of them got to land on the holy soil of Mars before being destroyed. (I love Necron background info.... sweatdrop )

Shroud Class cruisers have the best camouflage in the entire BFG game, they're my favorite, I think I could easily say that Necron Ships are the best ships in entire BFG if only they weren't so pricey. crying

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PostPosted: Fri Jul 25, 2008 3:01 pm


Caleidah
Jason Da Psycho
I've just been reading the Necron codex because I had nothing to do and I read some where that they managed to land on Mars.
Isn't that like....super incredibly hard?
And why would they land on Mars, to awaken the Dragon maybe?


Pretty much. Its an incredibly powerful C'Tan spirit, and its release would mean some big, big problems for the Imperium.


its commonly agreed that the void dragon is actually the precept for the machine spirit worshipped by the tech priests, it even has cults which worship it, people who fuse their bodies with machines to form ugly paraih/servitor monstrocities which they beleive their machine god commands them to do.

when the cruisers 'assualted' terra, they did not attack anything, in fact they didnt even try to evade, they fly straight in and the very last ship managed to touch terra just before it was vaporised by a crescendo of orbital fire, their objective being the reawakening of the void dragon simply by presenting it with necron energy signatures.

If the dragon were to awaken lets just say, the universe is screwed, it has complete mastery over all machines, meaning that the majority of terra and the imperium instantly become weapons for the necron army to use etc.
PostPosted: Fri Jul 25, 2008 4:06 pm


Mars! Not Terra, but Mars.

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