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 Posted: Tue Sep 24, 2013 9:24 pm
AandOE Ryuuka no Jutsu [ Dragon Fire Technique ] is a technique that is not tied to the Uchiha, so techniques that are derived from this base are also not tied directly to the Uchiha. Since I missed the Song technique, I can add it in to the Katon lists, but it is still not a direct Uchiha clan technique. In general, the Uchiha aren't a Katon based clan, they just use Katon before graduating to the superior Enton.
Housenka isn't tied to them, so thusly the Hōsenka Tsumabeni isn't either.
The Great Fireball Shower is related directly to the Song technique, and thusly is not tied directly to them. Thanks for mentioning these, though! This one makes 2 that I'll add to the Katon lists.
The one with the name 'Sharingan' listed in it is only so as, and I quote, "The trick in making this technique successful is to somehow be able to read the enemy's movements, which normally would require the Sharingan." If the user can predict the movements, then the Sharingan isn't needed, hence, it isn't an Uchiha Clan technique directly, but using what one has can make it easier. If anything, we can delete the reference to it, from the name, but that action isn't needed.
While I add those two nifty new Katon jutsu in, is there anything else I can answer? ^_^
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Posted: Tue Sep 24, 2013 9:41 pm
Kai Takahashi Dun There's this section that talks about maintaining the Sharingan "forever" by giving a certain percentage of your main chakra reserves. Is this permanently taken away from your total chakra? If I'm looking at this wrong, could i get a better explanation?
Also, the Uchiha are known for their powerful chakra, and I was wondering why they didn't have some sort of chakra boost. Not as much as the Senju clan, but maybe +100 because of the powerful techniques used by this clan, as a majority of the techniques are A rank or higher.
The final thing I'd like to ask about are the restrictions. I know they are set up to where they keep the clan from being overpowered, such as their Doujutsu abilities, and progressing through the stages from Stage One Sharingan to Rinnegan, but with the blindness rates being so high for Mangekyou, and the level of difficulty to obtain the Rinnegan (compared to the Senju, but I do understand why that is the way it is.) I don't see why their Sharingan abilities are reduced by half (Copy being mandatory and you get to choose one other ability). The Uchiha rely on their eyes, being battle-oriented, which can also serve as a major weakness if they are disabled somehow. This is just how i feel, but I would like your input on the matter, since you are the guild owner, as to why it was set up this way.
Mhm! ^_^
• The Sharingan can be maintained forever, given a certain chakra level to maximum chakra level ratio.
___One-Tomoe: 50%
___Two-Tomoe: 40%
___Three-Tomoe: 30%
___Mangekyō Sharingan: 20%
___Eternal Mangekyō Sharingan: 10%
In this, if you normally have 1,000 chakra, if you dip below 50% (i.e. hit 499 chakra or lower) while you're simply walking around doing normal daily activities, the One-Tomoe can't be sustained. You'd have to resort to upping the state to the Two-Tomoe, if unlocked, to remain in the forever-active state, and then on up the list as you run further and further out of chakra. Think of it as if the higher states are more efficient. I suppose to answer the question concretely, it does not 'take' any chakra away, it just requires a bunch of the 'pool' to be filled constantly.
The Uchiha are like the opposite side of the Senju, sorta. They get a lot of really devastating techniques, but require a lot of training to handle, while the Senju have a lot of really defensive techniques which promote inner growth. This is supported by canon through various users, but it may not have been clear enough as it's only mentioned verbally a handful of times. In the guild though, once you get to a certain stage, the amount of chakra you can have skyrockets.
I too would like to see the Uchiha boosted up from the guild stated 2 abilities to the full 4, as I presented it at the guild inclusion table at full status. However, we as a complete crew agreed to the limitations as the other bloodlines and clans wouldn't be able to be logically boosted to match the pure utility of it. If we as a guild, members included, can figure out how to build up everything else so as to make the Uchiha look puny, that day may arrive.
Kai Takahashi Dun Edit: Wait, the Great Fireball Shower is connected to the Song technique? I figured it would tie with the original Great Fireball Technique since it is only a multiplied version of it. o_o
It is tied to that one too, which is also a non-Uchiha specific technique. You'll need both in order to learn the Shower technique! ^_^
Edit: Song to Shower, sorry!
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Posted: Tue Sep 24, 2013 9:54 pm
I have something to say really quick. This is partially a counter argument to the chakra boost thing. The Senju received a chakra boost why? There is really nothing in canon aside from Hashirama showing the Senju having a large amount of chakra, and let's be honest; it was ******** Hasirama, the GOD of shinobi. You can't really base an entire clan off of one person sadly. My actual counter argument lies in the clan description made by Kishimoto himself for the Uchiha; directly in the history it states, and I quote "The elder brother inherited the Sage's "eyes", powerful chakra and spiritual energies." Now, if I look at the Senju clan's biography..."The Senju clan descended from the younger of the two sons of the Sage of the Six Paths who was born with the "body" of the Sage, inheriting his father's life force, physical energy, and believed that love was the key to bringing peace to the world. " they inherited something akin to increased strength, not chakra capacity.
Essentially...the Senju were given a chakra boost that wasn't really warranted. I could see a chakra use reduction, or a strength increase...or hell even an Eiseijutsu increase, but not a chakra pool increase. That should belong to the Uchiha, since they are known for their overwhelmingly strong chakra inherited from the Sage during their creation. Instead the Uchiha are being stunted with various scattered about reductions and benefits, whereas the Senju all have benefits aimed in one direction.
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Posted: Tue Sep 24, 2013 9:55 pm
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Posted: Tue Sep 24, 2013 10:12 pm
I agree with the Fallen guy. Although I hate the Uchiha, they should be the ones to get the chakra increase instead of the Senju. Although... I don't think it should be so large. It's very stupidly large. I saw Genin Senju with over 700 chakra. That is ridiculous.
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Posted: Tue Sep 24, 2013 10:14 pm
On the issues of the Uchiha edits/senju debate.
You guys are welcome to debate amongst yourselves, but please do not do it in this thread. This thread is designed to be a method for people to get clear and articulated questions answered in a reasonable time, not so much structural and reasonary creation process ideas.
As it stands, the Uchiha and the senju will remain as created. We have just recently formed this massive update, and as such have other issues to have to fry. on that note, however, it was deemed, looked over repeatedly, and even articulated that what is "canon" is not what is necessarily "fair" to be used in a guild setting. It has been a reoccurring statement that "Story canon is not Guild canon" and this stands true for this issue as well. Unlike in the Naruto universe were story proceeds everything, we as mods have to balance out and explain/explore the unfounded unknowns/limitations/exploitable grey areas of each bloodline and ability to make it fair and balanced for fair and balanced usage. The edits you see here are the result of that consensus, as our guild captain has explained prior.
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Posted: Tue Sep 24, 2013 10:30 pm
And Senju genin having over 700 chakra when they aren't chakra based classes is fair?
I see, then let's talk about balanced shall we?
Uchiha: s**t reductions and boosts, require tons of training and life or death situations to be any good; also only have high rank Jutsu, most of which require the MS to use, whilst taking away eyesight, still aren't good.
Senju: High chakra, perfect medical ninjutsu, reductions to three chakra elements. Oh need I mention they can get the Rinnegan whenever they want? OH! I almost forgot! They have dozens of techniques they can learn WHENEVER!
I'm jealous of how balanced that is.
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Posted: Tue Sep 24, 2013 10:44 pm
This conversation must be shifted to the OOC chat room, as it is neither a question nor are you seeking an answer. A senju having over 700 chakra then inherently limits their other functions (stamina and close combat considering). The Uchiha already got to do lots of things, aside from hypnotizing, copying, and things like that. essentially they gain an active 10+ slots that no other character has access to. they have a second stage that no other bloodline has access to. Most of the techniques from MS are extremely powerful, and thus require the loss of sight to occur. This has evidence supported from story canon, as well as makes it fair for guild use. Senju do not get the rennegan whenever they wish, they need the sharingan to do so and follow implant rules with its usage. They too must follow the learning structures that all other ninja must as well. there is plenty of balance.
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Posted: Wed Oct 02, 2013 9:39 am
I have a question for the Halloween event..as an Uchiha, do I get to keep my one-tomoe Sharingan or do I have to unlock it using the points I earn? If I have to pay for them, what rank would I consider it?
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Posted: Wed Oct 02, 2013 10:51 am
Yo-Ko access to profiles are restricted What is meant by the above phrase.
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Posted: Wed Oct 02, 2013 7:45 pm
All Who Have Fallen I have a question for the Halloween event..as an Uchiha, do I get to keep my one-tomoe Sharingan or do I have to unlock it using the points I earn? If I have to pay for them, what rank would I consider it? i would consider the one tome a B rank tech, 2 tome A rank, and 3 S rank
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Posted: Wed Oct 02, 2013 7:49 pm
Toryu Naminosaki Yo-Ko access to profiles are restricted What is meant by the above phrase. it merely means that yomust, for the event, purchase the things that you ahve trained to use via the points earned during the event. you are "restricted" from free and total access to your profiles, and must purchase/unlock the capabilities
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Posted: Wed Oct 02, 2013 7:57 pm
Yo-ko Toryu Naminosaki Yo-Ko access to profiles are restricted What is meant by the above phrase. it merely means that yomust, for the event, purchase the things that you ahve trained to use via the points earned during the event. you are "restricted" from free and total access to your profiles, and must purchase/unlock the capabilities so whats the event itself, do we wait for others to post?
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