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 Posted: Sun Jul 30, 2006 2:03 pm
Someday, when I give a s**t, I'll find out what's evil about being environmentally consious, offering a ridiculously inclusive benefits package, and paying fair amounts for coffee beans. As it stands I know I do good work for a good company and that's all that matters to me.
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Posted: Sun Jul 30, 2006 2:05 pm
Starbucks is only deemed "evil" because it's large. That's it. Srsly.
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Posted: Sun Jul 30, 2006 2:08 pm
Bah. They have to be evil. Otherwise why would they have to make up cup sizes? It's obviously code for the different carcinogens in them.
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Posted: Sun Jul 30, 2006 2:08 pm
So they've more just got a bad rap? Like rabbits after Monty Python and the Holy Grail came out with the killer bunny. A lot of negative stereotyping and bad press after that against the rabbit community... supposedly killer rabbits running amok... ninja (with fangs, fangs!)
Plus they appear to breed like rabbits. There are three within a mile radius of where I live, and Father Blood Drench Robo Crush is in San Antonio, not Seattle.
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Posted: Sun Jul 30, 2006 2:10 pm
I think it falls into that same category that Nike does these days. You're not buying the product, you're buying the label on the product. In all fairness, Nike makes great shoes and Starbucks makes great coffee ... but I ain't payin' over $100 for a pair of shoes or close to $2 for a small cup of tea.
(I'll buy the frappacino)
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Posted: Sun Jul 30, 2006 2:11 pm
Hmm... to come extent. With regards to coffee quality, you're actually buying the product. Starbucks pays a LOT for the quality of coffee it serves. Higher than Fair Trade prices, FTW. domokun
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Posted: Sun Jul 30, 2006 2:13 pm
GLKilowog Bah. They have to be evil. Otherwise why would they have to make up cup sizes? It's obviously code for the different carcinogens in them.
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Posted: Sun Jul 30, 2006 2:18 pm
Starbucks is "evil" because hipsterdom is fashionable. Everybody wants to be an indie kid. Obscure bands, obscure brands of clothing, local stores, local products, local cafes.
It makes we hipsters who don't give a s**t look bad. My Ted Leo hat pin isn't why I don't shop at Starbucks. My employment at a competitor does.
And even then, I'll go into Starbucks. I love Panera Bread very much, and I love the drinks we offer. But give me a large* java chip frappucino and I'm happy.
As for the size thing...I think some people can't tell the difference between a confirmation and a correction. Saying "venti?" after someone tells you "large" isn't usually the clerk's way of correcting you: It's making sure they've got the size right.
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Posted: Sun Jul 30, 2006 2:20 pm
Raven_Darkholme GLKilowog Bah. They have to be evil. Otherwise why would they have to make up cup sizes? It's obviously code for the different carcinogens in them. Umm... Big Mac is McDonalds too. You're thinking of the Whopper. But the whopper is at least a name for something. It's like calling soda Sprite. It isn't a can of fairy juice, it's just a name. And Biggie pretty much is a size. You at least get the idea that yeah, it's gonna be a ******** load of fries. Viente doesn't even have a connotation of largeness. And how is a small tall? It isn't tall at all, it's small and short. ******** that. At least Biggie, you know it's gonna be ******** BIG.
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Posted: Sun Jul 30, 2006 2:21 pm
Virgil Hawkins Hmm... to come extent. With regards to coffee quality, you're actually buying the product. Starbucks pays a LOT for the quality of coffee it serves. Higher than Fair Trade prices, FTW. domokun
How many people actually buy Nike because its an excellent brand of shoe vs. how many people actually buy Nike because its endorsed by <>?
Likewise, how many people buy Starbucks because it serves excellent coffee vs. how many people buy Starbucks because of its reputation serving high society (in the bigger cities ... the local ones here in China are a prime example) and because of its atmosphere?
I've no doubt Starbucks has excellent quality coffee, I've compared it to others. I just wonder how many people actually give a damn about that.
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Posted: Sun Jul 30, 2006 2:22 pm
It's not that difficult, really. They're listed in order of price, with the number of ounces, even. Just like on every other menu board at every other restaurant. If folks would take half a second to read, it wouldn't be a problem.
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Posted: Sun Jul 30, 2006 2:25 pm
Virgil Hawkins Hmm... to come extent. With regards to coffee quality, you're actually buying the product. Starbucks pays a LOT for the quality of coffee it serves. Higher than Fair Trade prices, FTW. domokun I dunno, Ive heard a few rants about Starbucks from the folks at work, who drink coffee bascially all day long. They say Starbucks buys the cheapest beans it can get its hands on, and still stiffs on the price, Wal-Mart style. Then they over-roast the hell out of em, trying to make every drop last longer. Meh, I just like regular ol' folgers every now and then. Starbucks wont be around forever, theyre over-saturating the market, setting themselves up for some serious self-pwning.
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Posted: Sun Jul 30, 2006 2:27 pm
Virgil Hawkins It's not that difficult, really. They're listed in order of price, with the number of ounces, even. Just like on every other menu board at every other restaurant. If folks would take half a second to read, it wouldn't be a problem. No, I ******** get it. I'm not confused by their staggeringly intelligent use of foreign words and half truths to describe the size of their coffee. I'm just ******** BOTHERED by it.
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Posted: Sun Jul 30, 2006 2:27 pm
GLKilowog Raven_Darkholme GLKilowog Bah. They have to be evil. Otherwise why would they have to make up cup sizes? It's obviously code for the different carcinogens in them. Umm... Big Mac is McDonalds too. You're thinking of the Whopper. But the whopper is at least a name for something. It's like calling soda Sprite. It isn't a can of fairy juice, it's just a name. And Biggie pretty much is a size. You at least get the idea that yeah, it's gonna be a ******** load of fries. Viente doesn't even have a connotation of largeness. And how is a small tall? It isn't tall at all, it's small and short. ******** that. At least Biggie, you know it's gonna be ******** BIG. No, I'm not thinking of a whopper. What I'm saying is that you have the capability to recognize and differentiate proprietary names for different products. You're just being lazy, stupid, and hypocritical. Grande is Spanish for big. Funny that. Vente is Italian for twenty. As in the number of ounces in the cup. This is of course besides the fact that the cups are all prominently displayed in the store. Just point to the one you want, if you must.
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Posted: Sun Jul 30, 2006 2:28 pm
Elijah_Snow Virgil Hawkins Hmm... to come extent. With regards to coffee quality, you're actually buying the product. Starbucks pays a LOT for the quality of coffee it serves. Higher than Fair Trade prices, FTW. domokun
How many people actually buy Nike because its an excellent brand of shoe vs. how many people actually buy Nike because its endorsed by <>?
Likewise, how many people buy Starbucks because it serves excellent coffee vs. how many people buy Starbucks because of its reputation serving high society (in the bigger cities ... the local ones here in China are a prime example) and because of its atmosphere?
I've no doubt Starbucks has excellent quality coffee, I've compared it to others. I just wonder how many people actually give a damn about that.I think there's a mix, and it's dependent on the type of consumer. Some consumers will buy things solely because of the label, and that's fine, and others will buy solely for the quality of the product. It's the nature of consumerism. I think, on the whole, most people fall somewhere in the middle. For instance, folks in this thread have posted reasons for liking, not liking Starbucks. No one seems to like it for the brand name, but rather enjoy a particular product.
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