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Russian_Lyricist
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PostPosted: Sun Apr 15, 2007 9:01 am


I am aware of their accomplishments. Right now, though, I am mad at the Russian Government. They no longer allow foreigners to adopt from the country. Half of the childeren who are adopted each year are from foreigners, particullarly the USA. How do you think I came to America? FOREIGN ADOPTION! JEEZ!
PostPosted: Sun Apr 15, 2007 12:40 pm


Maybe their scared that they're losing citizens or something. I think it's pretty stupid though if it means the kids aren't going to be adopted.

afterdark_angel
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Russian_Lyricist
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PostPosted: Sun Apr 15, 2007 4:02 pm


They want Russians to stay in Russia. Half of the children are aborted and a lot of them are put into orphanages. It's a dying country.
PostPosted: Mon Apr 16, 2007 5:24 am


They can't carry on like it though so it's got to get better at some point. It's just sad for all the kids there at the moment. They should be doing more to help them and promote the adoption.

afterdark_angel
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Russian_Lyricist
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PostPosted: Mon Apr 16, 2007 8:06 am


I agree, but the fact that they are closing adoptions does not help. They will probably open up adoption in a few years, but a few years is all they need to ruin a generation of children.
PostPosted: Mon Apr 16, 2007 11:36 am


But what are they planning to do with the children if they don't let them be adopted by foreigners?

afterdark_angel
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Russian_Lyricist
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PostPosted: Mon Apr 16, 2007 12:12 pm


They keep them in the orphanages until they're 18 or adopted by other Russians.
PostPosted: Tue Apr 17, 2007 12:30 am


But surely they'll run out of space in the orphanages?

afterdark_angel
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Russian_Lyricist
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PostPosted: Tue Apr 17, 2007 7:48 am


That is my fear. The childeren also will not recieve enough attention. Nutrition is always a problem, something I had a problem with, but they will get fed three times a day if the system does not have a problem with it.
PostPosted: Tue Apr 17, 2007 9:56 am


That's really selfish of them! Okay they want to keep Russians in Russia but what's the point if they are neglecting them? The children are just going to develop all sorts of emotional and social problems because they aren't being cared for properly.

afterdark_angel
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Russian_Lyricist
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PostPosted: Tue Apr 17, 2007 1:26 pm


They don't care how the childeren end up. Half the men are always drunk, roads are always being flooded, there's not enough money going around, and the government is selfish.
PostPosted: Tue Apr 17, 2007 3:40 pm


afterdark_angel
I have no idea why we are actually discussing this but that's not all true.

- Radar was actually first thought up by a German named Heinrich Hertz when he was investigating radio waves (hence measured in Hz) and the first radar machine was developed by a Scottish guy named Sir Robert Alexander Wattson-Watt. It was Britain who patented the invention in 1935. okay, let me clearify, look at the ifrst germna radar then look at mordern radar that is used today that America created during world war II

- America did develop the first atomic bomb but they failed several times and only managed it when directly helped by Albert Einstein - a German who fled Hitler and went to America - hence the quote "If I had known that my work would lead to the devastation of the atom bomb, I'd never have lifted a finger."point is....he helped us...he was an american citizen at the time. an dthat qoute wasnt him it was a different scintest that was spearheading the operation and was in charge of the atom bombs first succesfull test 'the manhatten project' albert einstein actually joined the us because the german were only a few mounths away frmo creating heavy water which would lead them to the A bomb...einstien relized this and was the main reason he decided to help america create it.

- I don't know anything about proximity fuses or piston engines but America probably did invent those.

But I think you're still underestimating the little people. Britain is known as a land of inventors. Here's some other things "the little people" did during the war...
Britain help alot..and did very well...but America saved britains a** in WWII and they were on the brink of loosing when America jumped in.
- invention of the bouncing bomb - we destroyed the dam walls that America's "successful" air raids couldn't destroyAnd several schools and hospitals as well...bouncing bombs were successfull but inacurate..which is why america stuck with reighning fire.

- destruction of the Bismarck. If you look it up it was the British Navy, RAF and a coupkle of planes borrowed from the Polish Air Force who sunk her and she didn't mess up Britain for months because she sunk on her first mission! Although admittedly she did sink the HMS Hood which was one of our best ships.the british attempts to attack were merely a diversion at best. air plane bullets couldnt penitrate the hull and couldnt get close enough to land a bomb on it...neither could american planes which is why we used our neavy and sunked it.

- AND AMERICA HAD NOTHING TO DO WITH THE INVENTION OF PENICILLIN. Fleming (English) invented it and Florey and Chain (English and Oxford students) improved it so it could be used in the war although they never really developed enough of it for general use.true...originally penicillin was created by fleming, but thru wikipedia it was largley researched by his staff...americans....ergo the refrence book put it under American...looking further it also acredits england....so that was a misteake on my part.

- I know nothing about the Navohoe Wind Talkers so I won't comment on that but I do know that America did not give Britain free guns and ammo. They charged us back every penny (and with interest) for anything Britain borrowed for the war effort.Okay....haha...not i wrote free at the time of war....Britain didnt pay untill after the war. All english tanks, ships, planes, wepons, amo, was produced in america because of our booming industry at the time.

- And Britain had nothing to gain from the war effort either. We hated Hitler and we went to war to protect Poland - we only joined after Hitler had invaded.Except it was attacking your allies and you had to go in to help them due to pacts sighned by bolth parties.

- And the US Government did want to join in the war as they saw Hitler as a threat. The US People didn't as they didn't care about what happened in Europe. It's now known that Roosevelt LET THE JAPS BOMB PEARL HARBOUR ON PURPOSE.Government didnt want to get involved and neither did most the people as they felt the getting into others problems would be a bad idea. They felt it would be getting into a mess that there was no good getting into. Over time the people did want to and had several large demonstrations and marches to the capitol to get in there but congress wouldnt budge. After pearl harbor, the government had to go in despite the fact the felt it would plumit them even deeper into the depression though thru time it skyrocketed the economy.


Hang on, I'll send you a link for it. One sec. Pearl Harbour Attacks
LAWL. that is a Geocities page owned by a british man. : ]. I could just as easily make a site that says britain framed hitler for the holocost...sorry, but that cant be taken seriously...im shure nessie had its hand in the attacks as well though...maybee even big foot, or the chupacobra :]
The US can't really claim the moral high ground when they let their own citizens die in order to join the War Effort. I admit they were desperate because Hitler was a threat and the American people refused to admit it but it's still out of order.
Again not really. People had wanted to governmetn didnt. despite what random english geocity sites say, the historical fact is American government didnt want to untill pearl harbor which made them relize that the war wasnt just with others it included them as well. And I forgot to ad earlier how the entire pacific tour was ran by america and the chief of millitary instruction for the britain, atlantic tour, and Allies were american. The french and russians wre the only ones who had their own peopel from their own country running their army. All british millitary movements and operation during WWII was made by an american....so all the succesfull operations britain brags about....credit kinda goes to america.

Mech Jesus
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Mech Jesus
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PostPosted: Tue Apr 17, 2007 3:43 pm


You know what...lets just drop it, caus ebolth of us are die ahrds for our conties and bolth kicked germanies a** and i will sya it, I dont think either one could of done it with uot the other : ]. Only one that we could of done with out , in fact probably done better with out, would be france. Agreed?
PostPosted: Wed Apr 18, 2007 4:13 am


America can only claim sucessful bombing raids because of the B-17 "Flying fortress" And for flying during the day.
True, the RAF did hit schools and suchs, but what you have to remember is that we were using night bombings. Its harder to make a hit when your bombing equiptments about as good as if you stuck your head out the window.

And also Britian WAS holding out. The were admittedly on the brink of callapse when the US joined, but by that time, Hitler had already called off Operation Sealion because we'd tricked him into beliving we had loads more planes. That plus the Hawker Hurricane's and Supmarine Spitfire's were kicking ten colours of hell out of their Junker 88's and BF 109/110's.

I personally think Britain was holding out, but without America getting in, we'd have been beaten in the end. All I wonder is would we have surrendered, or let them invade and kill us? confused

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Russia did far more for the war effort than people give them credit for. Stalingrad showed the world that that the Russian's wasn't about to do what they did in the first world war, and that they were a force to be reconed with. Their charging of German lines when only one man in five had a rifle scared the Germans badly because it showed the rock hard determination they were facing. The defeat and retreat of the German's triggered the last step forwards of the Germans, and showed the world they wasn't an invincible force. Without Russia being invulved, Britain would have lost swiftly, and America may have been directly attacked too.

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afterdark_angel
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PostPosted: Wed Apr 18, 2007 5:18 am


Mwahaha! I have backup!
Thanks Ranu! mrgreen

@Bladwin: Maybe France got invaded quickly but Charles de Gaulle did pretty well as did the French Resistance. Without them, we'd have definitely been invaded and then eventually you might have been too. They did their bit.
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