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 Posted: Tue Sep 06, 2005 1:54 pm
Ophiuchus Lt_Brookman The what if scenarios that some people come up with, while ''cool'' sounding are impractical! People come up with these plots but they are worthless! Indeed, GW would no longer make any money. Besides, 40k is meant as a never ending story. IF Cadia is to be destroyed, you might as well scrap the Cadian regiments (not the plastics) IF the Emperor dies, then the Imperium is nothing, it would crumble and fall into ruin IF the Tyranids eat the current galaxy, then what? Nothing to fight anymore And the list could go on and on, people are not that bright when coming up with those ideas. Sadly, GW have ******** themselves in the a**. Hard. They said "For every hive fleet that has been seen, there are a dozen coming" We''ve seen THREE so far. That means THIRTY SIX are coming AT THE LEAST. We took down the first, took heavy losses. By the time the SECOND was destroyed, less than half of the Imperium''s strength survived. Using those estimates, by the thime the THIRD is gone, the Imperium will be more endangered than the Eldar. Even if they managed to repel the fourth by some miracle, the fifth would be sufficient in mopping up what''s left. Now, had the Heresy Never started, there wouldn''t be this problem.
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Posted: Tue Sep 06, 2005 2:04 pm
Drachyench_The_Eternal Ophiuchus Lt_Brookman The what if scenarios that some people come up with, while ''cool'' sounding are impractical! People come up with these plots but they are worthless! Indeed, GW would no longer make any money. Besides, 40k is meant as a never ending story. IF Cadia is to be destroyed, you might as well scrap the Cadian regiments (not the plastics) IF the Emperor dies, then the Imperium is nothing, it would crumble and fall into ruin IF the Tyranids eat the current galaxy, then what? Nothing to fight anymore And the list could go on and on, people are not that bright when coming up with those ideas. Sadly, GW have ******** themselves in the a**. Hard. They said "For every hive fleet that has been seen, there are a dozen coming" We''ve seen THREE so far. That means THIRTY SIX are coming AT THE LEAST. We took down the first, took heavy losses. By the time the SECOND was destroyed, less than half of the Imperium''s strength survived. Using those estimates, by the thime the THIRD is gone, the Imperium will be more endangered than the Eldar. Even if they managed to repel the fourth by some miracle, the fifth would be sufficient in mopping up what''s left. Now, had the Heresy Never started, there wouldn''t be this problem. Correct. But now, Humanity is ******** by GW itself. Yay writers?
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Posted: Tue Sep 06, 2005 2:06 pm
Ophiuchus Drachyench_The_Eternal Ophiuchus Lt_Brookman The what if scenarios that some people come up with, while ''cool'' sounding are impractical! People come up with these plots but they are worthless! Indeed, GW would no longer make any money. Besides, 40k is meant as a never ending story. IF Cadia is to be destroyed, you might as well scrap the Cadian regiments (not the plastics) IF the Emperor dies, then the Imperium is nothing, it would crumble and fall into ruin IF the Tyranids eat the current galaxy, then what? Nothing to fight anymore And the list could go on and on, people are not that bright when coming up with those ideas. Sadly, GW have ******** themselves in the a**. Hard. They said "For every hive fleet that has been seen, there are a dozen coming" We''ve seen THREE so far. That means THIRTY SIX are coming AT THE LEAST. We took down the first, took heavy losses. By the time the SECOND was destroyed, less than half of the Imperium''s strength survived. Using those estimates, by the thime the THIRD is gone, the Imperium will be more endangered than the Eldar. Even if they managed to repel the fourth by some miracle, the fifth would be sufficient in mopping up what''s left. Now, had the Heresy Never started, there wouldn''t be this problem. Correct. But now, Humanity is ******** by GW itself. Yay writers? I think it was F***ed when horus decided to join chaos....
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Posted: Tue Sep 06, 2005 2:13 pm
Drachyench_The_Eternal Ophiuchus Drachyench_The_Eternal Ophiuchus Lt_Brookman The what if scenarios that some people come up with, while ''cool'' sounding are impractical! People come up with these plots but they are worthless! Indeed, GW would no longer make any money. Besides, 40k is meant as a never ending story. IF Cadia is to be destroyed, you might as well scrap the Cadian regiments (not the plastics) IF the Emperor dies, then the Imperium is nothing, it would crumble and fall into ruin IF the Tyranids eat the current galaxy, then what? Nothing to fight anymore And the list could go on and on, people are not that bright when coming up with those ideas. Sadly, GW have ******** themselves in the a**. Hard. They said "For every hive fleet that has been seen, there are a dozen coming" We''ve seen THREE so far. That means THIRTY SIX are coming AT THE LEAST. We took down the first, took heavy losses. By the time the SECOND was destroyed, less than half of the Imperium''s strength survived. Using those estimates, by the thime the THIRD is gone, the Imperium will be more endangered than the Eldar. Even if they managed to repel the fourth by some miracle, the fifth would be sufficient in mopping up what''s left. Now, had the Heresy Never started, there wouldn''t be this problem. Correct. But now, Humanity is ******** by GW itself. Yay writers? I think it was F***ed when horus decided to join chaos.... The alternative was him DYING. Remember, he was saved because of the work of cultists... The Dark Gods then told Horus what to do, and Horus turned to follow them, taking his legion and several others into the fray... Becoming the Chaos Legions that the Imperium has had to deal with for so long.
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Posted: Tue Sep 06, 2005 2:49 pm
does any one here no peter pogwidtz? he goes to chicago battle bunker. he won a model of horus at a place called brain snacks before it closed. he has a 2+ armour and 2+ invul, hard to beat lol
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Posted: Tue Sep 06, 2005 3:34 pm
Theres always the theory of when the Emperor dies he will become a god so powerful he will destroy all FOUR of the chaos gods... Crazy Eldar and their prophecy. The other is he will just be reborn to rise again. In all the prophecies he would be better off dead.
And by the fluff, Abaddon is destined to control all the Black Fortresses, and if he ever managed to do that, he would be able to kill the Ctan for good. BUT! If all works out for the imperium, the Tyranids beat the Orks to heall, the Ctan eat the tyranids, Abaddon kills the Ctan, and the Imperium beats Chaos. Leaving Tau and the Eldear for them. Heh heh heh, not to hard, is it?
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Posted: Tue Sep 06, 2005 3:44 pm
heavyflamer does any one here no peter pogwidtz? he goes to chicago battle bunker. he won a model of horus at a place called brain snacks before it closed. he has a 2+ armour and 2+ invul, hard to beat lol When i did the special GW Siege of Terra re-enactment, each primarch got 5 to every stat (cept wounds i think... might have gotten 2 more wounds) and was made fearless. So... someone used Abaddon... 10 WS, 9 BS, 9 Str, 9(10) toughness, 5 W(i think), 9 and like... (6+1, kinda like wounds...) LD 10, 2+/4+ Sv... Chaos had more... and we had Abaddon vs some Dark Angel primarch on Horus's ship representing Horus and the Emperor. (They took away the Drach'nyens special attack and counted it as an additional attack a turn). Horus won... surprisingly... Chaos won on a whole. I only went to a few of the GW things, but Chaos was always so outnumbered, we got Tau on our side. I avoid GW things now... I prefer the local gaming stores. (Personal shout out to Game Wizards and Discordia Games)
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Posted: Tue Sep 06, 2005 4:02 pm
I dunno.
The black fortresses are pretty mean, but I don't think they're bad enough to destroy the C'tan's essences. Look at the devourer (the thing in charge of the 'nids)...it's supposedly well larger then a gas giant.
The accepted future, in fluff terms, is that Cypher will finally reach the golden throne and with the lionheart sword will finally destroy the remnants of the emperor, allowing him to reincarnate. What happens after that is a toss up, but there are a few futures worth talking about (that we can see in various fluff).
The first is that the emperor is really the chaos god of Chaos undivided and will finally take his place at the head of the galaxy. I personally disagree with this idea, I don't think the emperor has any direct connection to chaos, and a few of the hinted futures we see in various books seem to discourage this (specifically liber chaotica--Nurgle.
One of the flagstones of this particular argument is that the High lords of terra are actually direct avatars of their specific chaos powers. (as was proven in daemonifuge) This leaves us with a couple of questions....why are the high lords of terra acting against chaos? Granted they are allowing corruption to run rampant, but what better way to allow Cypher to get to the golden throne then to allow such widespread corruption...not to mention cypher is under the protection of some vague and god-like entity....
By the way, a note of Cypher. Leman Russ himself once captured Cypher....when he touched him he recieved a "message from the emperor" telling him that no matter what the cost cypher must be let free...So Leman Russ broke Cypher out of jail on TERRA and let him go...
The second, and I think the more widely accepted story is that when the emperor is finally allowed to reincarnate, the psychic/magic/whatever shockwave he creates will render useless any technology that the machine spirit (possibly the outsider) exerts it's powers over, also screwing over the eldar and orks (like an emp explosion, but psychic). That's basically the end of that particular theory, except as it relates to Warhammer fantasy. All you have to do is look at the mordhiem amazons and you'll see laspistols and power weapons...not to mention the Albion item the claw of devastation. In Liber Chaotica--Nurgle it speaks of a end of times in which a great Nurgle Plagueship would crashland on an inhabitable planet with 2 moons. (possibly the the event which breaks the old ones warp gates creating the skaven and opening the gateway for a chaotic invasion...also note that the Old ones created the elves and orks in 40k, so it's possible...
My vote is with this one....The emperor wakes up, looks at the universe in disgust and says "I gave you all of this, and look what you have wasted" and kicks them back into the stone age, saying "we're going to do this right this time..."
Seeing as the emperor is supposed to be some kind of super C'tan (in power terms) it would seem that he deifys himself as sigmar and takes a more backseat role in the affairs of mankind.
Of course these are just theorys, but they're fun to contemplate!
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Posted: Tue Sep 06, 2005 4:05 pm
LightningLord Theres always the theory of when the Emperor dies he will become a god so powerful he will destroy all FOUR of the chaos gods... Crazy Eldar and their prophecy. The other is he will just be reborn to rise again. In all the prophecies he would be better off dead. And by the fluff, Abaddon is destined to control all the Black Fortresses, and if he ever managed to do that, he would be able to kill the Ctan for good. BUT! If all works out for the imperium, the Tyranids beat the Orks to heall, the Ctan eat the tyranids, Abaddon kills the Ctan, and the Imperium beats Chaos. Leaving Tau and the Eldear for them. Heh heh heh, not to hard, is it? Forgetting something? B beats C, D beats B, E beats D, A now has to beat something that was stronger than B, C AND D. In other words, don't let your enemy get power, even if they could destroy another enemy with it - Becausr you then have a stronger enemy. Yes, you only have one instead of two, but if two could beat a force that you couldn't, then you probably can't beat the one that actually WON
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Posted: Tue Sep 06, 2005 4:07 pm
...and on a side note, gw was actually going to do a scenario that involved the primarchs. We (all staff members) got a fax that had the stats for Lion''el Johnson, Leman Russ, Mortarion, and a couple other characters (can''t remember right off the bat). After a lot of thought I guess they decided that it was better to just leave the primarchs where they belonged (in the fluff). I''m sure you can find these somewhere on the internet...they''re kind of cool, not godlike or anything...but almost universally a step above what you should be able to do. No s-9 t-8 w7 characters with a 2+ ward save, but a lot of s-6 or t-6, 5-w 6-a characters with craploads of special rules...
And by the way...Good job! Support your independent retailers! Dragon''s Lair In west springfield, Mass for me!
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Posted: Tue Sep 06, 2005 4:15 pm
Jerhien ...and on a side note, gw was actually going to do a scenario that involved the primarchs. We (all staff members) got a fax that had the stats for Lion''el Johnson, Leman Russ, Mortarion, and a couple other characters (can''t remember right off the bat). After a lot of thought I guess they decided that it was better to just leave the primarchs where they belonged (in the fluff). I''m sure you can find these somewhere on the internet...they''re kind of cool, not godlike or anything...but almost universally a step above what you should be able to do. No s-9 t-8 w7 characters with a 2+ ward save, but a lot of s-6 or t-6, 5-w 6-a characters with craploads of special rules... And by the way...Good job! Support your independent retailers! Dragon''s Lair In west springfield, Mass for me! Hey, if you can find that page... Someone here would LOVE to see them. wink
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Posted: Tue Sep 06, 2005 4:28 pm
lol I'll see if I can't find it, or if any of my contacts might have photocopied them lol. Which one were you interested in, I might remember some of it lol.
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Posted: Tue Sep 06, 2005 4:33 pm
Jerhien lol I'll see if I can't find it, or if any of my contacts might have photocopied them lol. Which one were you interested in, I might remember some of it lol. i want the whole fax. My GW never tells us jack s**t. Unless you're one of the veterans who goes to tournaments with them, all with matching armies, and have a ******** reserved space at the painting table...
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Posted: Tue Sep 06, 2005 4:35 pm
Jerhien I dunno. The black fortresses are pretty mean, but I don't think they're bad enough to destroy the C'tan's essences. Look at the devourer (the thing in charge of the 'nids)...it's supposedly well larger then a gas giant. The accepted future, in fluff terms, is that Cypher will finally reach the golden throne and with the lionheart sword will finally destroy the remnants of the emperor, allowing him to reincarnate. What happens after that is a toss up, but there are a few futures worth talking about (that we can see in various fluff). The first is that the emperor is really the chaos god of Chaos undivided and will finally take his place at the head of the galaxy. I personally disagree with this idea, I don't think the emperor has any direct connection to chaos, and a few of the hinted futures we see in various books seem to discourage this (specifically liber chaotica--Nurgle. One of the flagstones of this particular argument is that the High lords of terra are actually direct avatars of their specific chaos powers. (as was proven in daemonifuge) This leaves us with a couple of questions....why are the high lords of terra acting against chaos? Granted they are allowing corruption to run rampant, but what better way to allow Cypher to get to the golden throne then to allow such widespread corruption...not to mention cypher is under the protection of some vague and god-like entity.... By the way, a note of Cypher. Leman Russ himself once captured Cypher....when he touched him he recieved a "message from the emperor" telling him that no matter what the cost cypher must be let free...So Leman Russ broke Cypher out of jail on TERRA and let him go... The second, and I think the more widely accepted story is that when the emperor is finally allowed to reincarnate, the psychic/magic/whatever shockwave he creates will render useless any technology that the machine spirit (possibly the outsider) exerts it's powers over, also screwing over the eldar and orks (like an emp explosion, but psychic). That's basically the end of that particular theory, except as it relates to Warhammer fantasy. All you have to do is look at the mordhiem amazons and you'll see laspistols and power weapons...not to mention the Albion item the claw of devastation. In Liber Chaotica--Nurgle it speaks of a end of times in which a great Nurgle Plagueship would crashland on an inhabitable planet with 2 moons. (possibly the the event which breaks the old ones warp gates creating the skaven and opening the gateway for a chaotic invasion...also note that the Old ones created the elves and orks in 40k, so it's possible... My vote is with this one....The emperor wakes up, looks at the universe in disgust and says "I gave you all of this, and look what you have wasted" and kicks them back into the stone age, saying "we're going to do this right this time..." Seeing as the emperor is supposed to be some kind of super C'tan (in power terms) it would seem that he deifys himself as sigmar and takes a more backseat role in the affairs of mankind. Of course these are just theorys, but they're fun to contemplate! On the Ctan and Black Fortress thing, the Black Fortresses were created by the ELDAR to kill the Ctan, which is why the Ctan hid them in the place they could not reach (ie, the warp). The Black Fortresses will destroy the Ctan essence compltetly. And of course, the Emperor is semi-awake, because he guides all the Imperiums ships through the Warp... The Imperium needs a make over, they are like, Nazis. Chaos are the rebels, the freedom fighters. They are the Alliance and the Imperium is the Axis. And Tau space is russia... (inside WW2 joke...). Chaos are totally goodguys... they dont kill traitors! They enslave them! Or just sacrifice them... its all for humanity...
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Posted: Tue Sep 06, 2005 4:43 pm
Cagalli Yura Attha Jerhien lol I''ll see if I can''t find it, or if any of my contacts might have photocopied them lol. Which one were you interested in, I might remember some of it lol. i want the whole fax. My GW never tells us jack s**t. Unless you''re one of the veterans who goes to tournaments with them, all with matching armies, and have a ******** reserved space at the painting table... Yeah this might just be my jaded side coming in here, but I ******** hate GW (comes from years of slavery). I''ll see about getting those rules for you. Which gw do you go to? maybe I''ll drop your name to a manager if I know him, see if he won''t start being a little nicer...no gaurantee I even know them, of course.
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