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It is possible to do that without finding pleasure in torturing each other. Doing a little cosplay or roleplay that's understandable, but inflicting pain? I know many married couples that have been married for much longer then that that do not have to resort to such things to have fulfilling sex-lives.

Um, actually, the reason they changed it, what I said was fact go look it up for yourself, they changed their view after getting political pressure, THAT IS FACT. They made the exception after political pressure for those doing it consensually. It is not opinion. Second, IT used to be WRONG whither or not it was consensual. NOW it is OK if it is CONSENSUAL. What changed there? The Act or whither or not it was Consensual? The fact is there is no difference whither or not it is consensual, YOU are still getting pleasure from inflicting pain and having control over someone else. That's the MENTAL DISEASE not the lack of consent. Those make the same MENTAL DISEASE serial murderers, rapists, torturers, wife beaters, etc have. AND THAT IS FACT.

Almost forgot to add, whither I think homosexuality is a mental disorder or not, even being an ex-homosexual myself, matters little on sadomasochism. The fact is being homosexual doesn't make you derive pleasure from inflicting pain upon yourself or someone else.

Damn dude, I'm sorry to hear you have that, I know most people have some illness of some kind or another but Tourette syndrome is a pretty tough one for someone to deal with. How often does it afflict you?

Yeah I have to 100% agree with Momi on this. There's a difference between insults and constructive criticism. If she can't tell the difference, then she needs to keep her mouth shut. Not only that but if her art isn't much better, then she has no real right to be so critical of yours... stare

What you refuse to realize is that the classification was originally made due to conservative political pressure - for it to be reversed due to liberal political pressure is only an equalization of things.

What CHANGED was that people ceased to be so small-minded and conservative and saw that people were being MISLABELED. Yelling at me does not make your opinions and support of an outmoded perspective FACT, no matter how many times you SAY IT.

Calling the enjoyment of having power over someone a mental disease is your OPINION. It is a very natural way to feel - gratification derived from power is hard-wired into the human psyche - where it falls into the territory of "wrong" is how one channels that urge.

You're still dodging how consent is vitally important - heck, it is key -in the determination of the "wrongness" of just about anything. You make it sound secondary, but it is not - consensual sex is okay, non-consensual sex is NOT. Most legal agreements are based upon consensual agreement - if they are not so, they are likely not legal. It is a very important aspect of human society, and should not be dismissed so easily.

Anyway, now we're wandering into morality, which is closely and intimately associated with religious belief, so maybe we should back away from it - there is nothing to be gained from wandering into that minefield. The original debate was whether S&M was considered a mental disease, and we have established that it is not, as long as it is consesnsual - whether or not we agree with this is immaterial.

Well its a time to time thing. It might be months between any kind of outburst. I mostly am afflicted with tics. Very recently i've been dealing with sudden gasps for no reason, a new tic. My normal tic is my arm jerking every now and then. I think My night terrors are causing it. My mom says i scream every night in my sleep, but she could watch you eat something a week ago and get it in her head you ate it this morning.

I know when I have a night terror, I usually wake up scared, confused and looking for the first source of light. I usually have to turn something on to drive it away. Most often or not, lately its been different. Instead of being asleep, I wake up half way, usually eyes open and then I descend into a terror.

Spiders are a big factor at the moment. I have a huge grass spider in my wall/window which i call Diablo because the ******** is going be big as hell. Well I keep waking up feeling like i got webs on me and seeing spiders in the corner. Thought the other night it was 100% real because the next morning I killed a jumping spider that was near my bed. If it gets any worse i'm going move my away from the wall to the center of the room.

I just hate how horrible it makes me feel. Thought spiders are a big factor right now, Pills usually do it. Especially PMs

Right so if you wanted to kill someone and you found someone who wanted to be killed, its okay then right? I mean if its so vital. That means if a 10 year old gives consent to have sex that's okay right? Its not the lack of consent that makes it wrong, it is the act. Conservatives were the ones that classified ***** as a mental illness, so should the liberals that fight against that get their way because it balances it out? I mean, after all "consent" is "vitally important".

None of what I said has anything to do with religious belief. Actually, nothing in scriptures even mentions BDSM or anything like it. What comes down to is that what you say about "having power over someone" as being "hardwired", you have no evidence of that, its merely opinion. Surely, you can find somewhere in nature where an animal derives pleasure from pain (inflicting or receiving), right? And Yes, it is a mental disease, the same mental disease that all serial killers, serial rapists and tortures have. You can think it natural all you like but because an Association under political pressure changed its view doesn't make it any less of a disease.

If I pretend that "Child Molestation" no longer harms the children, like many liberals have been claiming, does that really mean the children will really be okay? I mean after all if they gave consent. Since consent makes all the difference. Right? I'm sure you know the answer to that already. Maybe if you looked at the picture as a whole and seen that the same people that have be helping remove Sadomasochism and Homosexuality from the list of mental illness and giving them legal status have been working to make the legal age of consent 12 years of age (ACLU Handbook), bestiality as legal, light punishments for child sexual offenders, assisted suicide legal and many other things. So before you start your banter on "those mean old conservative fuddy duddies" perhaps you might want to look at the world if we followed your argument to its rightful conclusion. That being all laws made by "Conservatives", because they were made by "Conservatives", be over-written by those "Liberals" that find fault in these puritanical laws. Nothing would be taboo except to speak out condemning those things as taboos. We would look a lot like one of those European countries (can't remember its name, Denmark or Norway perhaps it was) that has "KINDERGARTNERS" sexually experimenting in the classroom as an "ACTUAL" school course. Go look it up it is actually happening.

Oh, but just a guess, I imagine you're not for those things right? So when do you apply this balance to these laws (legal, medical, etc )written by conservatives? When you fall under them, am I right? Then that's when things should change. Can't have people thinking bad of me, after all I'm no murderer. Nonetheless, however less of a bad or sick person you are then a murderer doesn't make you not sick. The fact is, it IS an illness and saying its not means little. If they said Narcissistic Personality Disorder was no longer an illness would you follow suit to argue me to death defending it as not? Certainly not. An illness is an illness.