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Posted: Fri Jul 05, 2013 10:17 am
Fiiiiiiiiine...
If Sora went extremely fast weasel demon and slapped Laxus through a building going Mach 1.*
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That doesn't seem overly OP. It's the Rasengan, but ranged. It basically requires that the user master the demon in the first place, and then learn the jutsu. Which anymore would just require test firing it as the demon tells you what to do. [I'd laugh if Kurama simply compares it to the Rasengan, except it flies.]
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Posted: Fri Jul 05, 2013 10:30 am
... Okay, I don't know where you're getting that idea, but it is NOTHING like the rasengan. I mean, sure, it's a ball, which you can hold in your hand. That's where the similarities END. Rasengan is a giant handheld round head drill bit, designed for goring a person to death. Bijuudama is a pressure bomb. It launches out, hits an object, and blasts force outwards. There is no similarity.
Okay, so I actually didn't do any research on the Bijuudama at all for the jutsu, but my version does match the appearance of the effect in most ways. And I do know Hachibi went on about how the Rasengan was like it or some such, which is honestly kind of stupid I think, but mine is not based around the rasengan at all. They are two VERY different jutsu.
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Hinote Tosatsu Vice Captain
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Posted: Fri Jul 05, 2013 10:39 am
The Rasengan expands and explodes when you use it on a wall, or at least that's what it looks like.
I'm also basing most of my knowledge off of games, since I've still yet to watch Naruto past the Rock Lee Gaara fight.
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Posted: Fri Jul 05, 2013 11:06 am
That might explain why your knowledge seems so spotty at times...
And that is A, theatrical effect, and B, the jutsu breaking down and falling apart. As I have always understood it, that's not part of the design, but the effect created when the jutsu fails. The evidence for this fact is that that exact effect is what happens, constantly and repeatedly, while Naruto is learning the jutsu, and it is counted as a failure.
Oh, and C, to keep the rating down. I mean, the jutsu is made to gore someone, but do you think they could put that in a book/show for kids and teens without getting in serious trouble?
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Posted: Fri Jul 05, 2013 1:17 pm
Hinote Tosatsu That might explain why your knowledge seems so spotty at times... And that is A, theatrical effect, and B, the jutsu breaking down and falling apart. As I have always understood it, that's not part of the design, but the effect created when the jutsu fails. The evidence for this fact is that that exact effect is what happens, constantly and repeatedly, while Naruto is learning the jutsu, and it is counted as a failure. Oh, and C, to keep the rating down. I mean, the jutsu is made to gore someone, but do you think they could put that in a book/show for kids and teens without getting in serious trouble? Yeah, that's why I often get confused. sweatdrop As for the C, In the Pokemon Manga, team rocket shot a kid's clefairy. and in a couple of teen oriented anime I've watched there is blood and gore. Though yeah, in recent years that would be a problem.
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Posted: Fri Jul 05, 2013 7:48 pm
I'm slightly ashamed that I messed up that much... I thought that Bloodline was still at +3/10. sweatdrop So that made 31, and then the +2 made 37, that's where I messed up.
I figured Doton and Jiton would have been considered Extra since I haven't achieved the rank to actually have them as normal ones. But then again, it makes more sense that they aren't, cause I'd just be moving them. >.>
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Posted: Sat Jul 06, 2013 12:03 pm
I've decided if I ever join a Pokemon guild I'm raising a Poliwag into a Poliwhirl, then into a Politoed, and teaching it Hypnosis, Psychic, and any other two moves, and naming it Hypnotoad.
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Posted: Sat Jul 06, 2013 1:06 pm
TvIaMsOqTuHeYz I'm slightly ashamed that I messed up that much... I thought that Bloodline was still at +3/10. sweatdrop So that made 31, and then the +2 made 37, that's where I messed up. I figured Doton and Jiton would have been considered Extra since I haven't achieved the rank to actually have them as normal ones. But then again, it makes more sense that they aren't, cause I'd just be moving them. >.> +5/10 is actually 35. Still not sure where you were getting 37 from. We're actually talking about combination element bloodlines right now in the crew chat. General consensus and thus potential future rule seems to be that as genin you can have two of your three elements, which ones being your choice, and gain the third at chuunin. Of course, if you make the combination your chuunin element you can't use bloodline element jutsu until you unlock it, though you can still use passive abilities so long as the bloodline has been unlocked. And probably any non-elemental bloodline jutsu too, though those don't actually seem to exist.
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Posted: Sat Jul 06, 2013 1:43 pm
Hinote Tosatsu +5/10 is actually 35. Still not sure where you were getting 37 from. We're actually talking about combination element bloodlines right now in the crew chat. General consensus and thus potential future rule seems to be that as genin you can have two of your three elements, which ones being your choice, and gain the third at chuunin. Of course, if you make the combination your chuunin element you can't use bloodline element jutsu until you unlock it, though you can still use passive abilities so long as the bloodline has been unlocked. And probably any non-elemental bloodline jutsu too, though those don't actually seem to exist. Whoa, wait. You just add them together? Oh... I thought they were independent. Okay, that's where I really messed up. So the new rule is going to be that they get two elements rather than one and get their bloodline element at Chunin? That seems fairly okay. The passives won't really apply to me once the whole Metal Sense gets removed/turned into an active ability.
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Posted: Sat Jul 06, 2013 2:12 pm
Yes. They are base modifiers, you total them up and add the resulting figure. Adding one then the next would result in numbers higher than intended if you passed the next interval of ten, so I can see how you might have gotten that result after all. [Edit: Look at David's profile for a good example of how to work with multiple modifiers. (And also of why you really don't want to get into a ninjutsu contest with him.)]
You could also choose to take one regular element and the bloodline one, and unlock your other regular first. Since people hit chuunin so rarely around here, it seemed unfair to lock away their bloodline like that.
Jiton has a lot more passives than just metal sensing. The basic manipulation of metal would still be possible as well, you just wouldn't be able to learn jutsu for it.
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Hinote Tosatsu Vice Captain
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Posted: Sat Jul 06, 2013 10:05 pm
Yeah, I thought you applied the Bloodline/demon/clan one first, then applied any other ones second. But I guess I understand, since it is supposed to be from natural talent rather than training.
Laxus doesn't have that choice anymore, I have more techniques of Doton than Laxus could have of Jiton, or of Raiton if I'd be allowed to replace some. I'm kinda stuck with Raiton and Doton as his starter elements. ^^"
I understand that, but it isn't exactly all that powerful, or at least not for Laxus. Right now he could manipulate about 5 kunai independently and that would take up all of his ability, as I gathered from his limits in ability.
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Posted: Sun Jul 07, 2013 5:43 am
Nope. And also nope on your reasoning. They're combined before calculating simply so that they don't add up too high. Since the calculation is per ten existing chakra, if by adding them one at a time you ended up raising your base level to the next multiple of ten, you'd end up with, at the very least, one point more than you were supposed to have, with a +1/10 modifier, and even more with higher ones. Especially at higher ranks. Unlike many choices made in the guild systems, that one was for balance and ease, rather than any in game logic.
Not gonna check the bloodline right now to dispute that claim, and you may well be right. However, do you have any idea what I could do to you with five free floating kunai, even in the short range a genin is allowed? Free manipulation abilities like that are amazing, and the sole reason I bothered to take a demon in the first place. When I joined the guild, my intent was to take either an RPC with no special abilities, which at the time were just bloodline clan or demon, or be the Ichibi host, because I wanted that free manipulation. I started with the first, but thankfully was soon able to get the second. You can literally do just about anything with that power. Get creative, and you can quite literally be unstoppable.
Course, just like anything rules have to be added to that too eventually. Pretty sure we'll be going with the rule that the manipulated items are only as strong as your affinity to the related element, AKA, Ninjutsu Power as applied to that element. For you, Jiton.
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On a more relevant to life note, it's your turn to post.
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Posted: Mon Jul 08, 2013 12:32 am
Well, that kinda bites. My Jiton and Doton are going to be at E rank because of the Elemental control Raiton...
Hey, could I use a version of Levi Volt by using the free manipulation? You know, when I get the chance I'm going to write that up as an ability.
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Posted: Mon Jul 08, 2013 5:04 am
Um, if I'm right that's an electrical attack, so, no. Jiton's free manipulation is of metal. There is no electricity involved.
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Hinote Tosatsu Vice Captain
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Posted: Mon Jul 08, 2013 10:42 pm
It uses Metal umbrellas to arc lightning between them repeatedly, each one having been struck by lightning, and focuses the lightning into the opponent. Effectively it would use the freely manipulated metal to redirect the lightning bolt.
Also, Laxus actually tries to protect Shikaku and the little guy runs away. I probably would too.
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