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 Posted: Sat Aug 08, 2009 10:55 am
and then the trade routes put tarrifs up to profit back.... etcetera etcetera.
Tehre's still a gross problem of figuring out what the core offers. It was a capital hub, but I don't see any influx of money back into the core happening on nearly as large of a pace as it would exunt.
edit: I should also point out that even though that the rough estimate is taken on the fact that the core worlds don't start suffering from a population recession and everything kept constant, you're also going to have to deal with a republic senate. They have to vote, revise, put into a committee, and basically do a hundred annoying middleman steps to impede the production fo ships.
Between a vastly reduced army, an over cautious senate, and encnomic troubles that would better be spent on relief efforts than defense forces, you've got quite a bit of obstacles to expect any volume from triple zero.
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Posted: Sat Aug 08, 2009 11:00 am
@ Cale- The plans were in the hands of Palpatine and Sienar. Palps is dead Sienar is sitting at home on Loronar. And with no Maw facility, or a testbed, we don't have much to go with
@ Stellar- Allies become enemies and vice versa. Just ask France, which has been both an ally and enemy of every country in Europe at some point in it's history. Not that I plan on turning my guns on you, but I'd be a fool not to be prepared for it
@ Nelo- I'm well aware of that. It's just a matter of my orders coming from the Confederate Council. I was merely stating my character's personal goals, not his atcual job
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Posted: Sat Aug 08, 2009 11:04 am
The trade routes wouldn't be able to put Tariffs up in turn since the Core is a net importer, Tariffs only go on imported goods, and since the Core doesn't export much there'd be little a trade alliance tariff could do. Think of the Core as like America. Imports everything, exports nothing, but makes tons of money from its consumer economy.
The only way the Core starts hurting is if food stops coming in, and for the Trade Alliances that's an even worse choice because they don't make any money and they destroy their relationship with the Core. It is in the Trade Alliances best interests to play along.
Every transaction in the economy has a tax, so the government gets a great deal of income so long as imports come in and purchases are made, etc...
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Posted: Sat Aug 08, 2009 11:09 am
America has quite a few exports. We export a massive amount of capital, sell corporations to overseas, we rent out our shorelines, and quite literally, sell food. Our breadbasket farming is sold to other countries. Also, a lot of countries invest in america, giving us the capital we need to be so spenaholic.
At the same time, the republic is currently not the wealthiest, nor the biggest faction. You're basing a lot of hope on the republic being able to buy buy buy, but the CIS is bigger, and more consuming, than the republic ever could be. The republic's going to need to focus on buying the essentials, since they're in economic recession.
Not to mention, if someone starts attakcing the republici, they ain't got that much left to lose. One or two core worlds under attack, the economy plunges, and trade is destroyed.
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Posted: Sat Aug 08, 2009 11:21 am
Yes we do export some stuff, but at the same time we have a massive trade deficit, its that which I'm referring to.
In terms of population the Republic remains the biggest faction, despite what you may think. The worlds outside the Core are really sparsely populated by comparison (average population of a Core World is around 1 Trillion, while the Colonies are lucky to reach into the billions, and the rim is lucky to have a couple million) and that population equals buying power. Yes they're in an economic recession, but the one surefire cure for a recession or depression is the one you disregarded completely, a military build up. From FDR to Adolf Hitler the easiest way to restart an economy is to build up your military.
The CIS is made of merchants, while the Republic is having a shortage of goods the CIS is hamstrung by the opposite problem, an overflow of goods. The population of CIS territories is not sufficient to purchase the goods resulting in run away deflation while the republic suffers run away inflation.
The only powers that aren't in an economic pickle are the trade alliances since they act as go betweens for CIS merchants and Republic consumers. Like the legends of Cuban cigars being shipped to Canada and repackaged for sale in the US they act as a go between between the two powers.
The situation is quite simple... the CIS has the manufacturing capacity, the Republic has the population. So long as there isn't direct trade going on between the two they're both in deep trouble economically.
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Posted: Sat Aug 08, 2009 11:26 am
ElladanKenet @ Cale- The plans were in the hands of Palpatine and Sienar. Palps is dead Sienar is sitting at home on Loronar. And with no Maw facility, or a testbed, we don't have much to go with Ok then. If you really think thats all there is to it.
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Posted: Sat Aug 08, 2009 11:26 am
Yeah.... Except that the republic isn't producing it's military.
See, the problem with using FDR or Adolf Hitlers is that they used their country's resources to produce products. The Core, however, builds it's military by BUYING things. It's not stimulating it's economy; Rather, it's simply throwing money out of it's budget into someone elses. Hitler built up infrastructure, FDR, infrastructure. Paying Kuat.... isn't infrastructure.
What you're suggesting is essentially paying a charity to make money. And economics 101, anyone paying money to a charity is still spending money which you don't get back.
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Posted: Sat Aug 08, 2009 11:38 am
Well since your credits aren't worth much anyway... lol I've already come up with a solution for that.
The ships will be produced by assets in republic space like those of Republic Sienar Systems which will be purchased by KDY. Those employed at the facilities will be paid by KDY a fair wage. The ships they produce will be exchanged for the purchase of RSS facilities, designs, and technologies. Additionally only those facilities in Republic territory will produce ships for the Republic.
We employ your population, inject higher valued currency into the economy, and make a profit as well with the technologies and designs of RSS being incorporated into the Kuat Product Line. Until the facilities have produced ships of equal value to the facilities being purchased they will be free for all intents and purposes. After we've "paid-off" the facility in this method they will be charged market value, hopefully by that time the Republic's economy will be stable enough to absorb those costs.
To put it simply, until the Republic credit stabilizes. I'm willing to do a barter trade. Ships for facilities.
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Posted: Sat Aug 08, 2009 11:41 am
And.... how are you going to present this to the senate and have them sign off on it? Considering they can't even keep themselves together, lost the last fight they tried to pick and worst off, has diehard pacifists like mon mothma and bail organa as the leading voices.... The defense budget is slim.
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Posted: Sat Aug 08, 2009 11:54 am
And if I release the details of the deal I just struck with the CIS? 25,000 Imperator-class Star Destroyers is a massive threat to Republic security.
There are ways to convince the senate. Announcing the deal and then going to the senate and saying, "Is it not obvious that the Confederacy is preparing to resume war on the Republic? Now what are you going to do about it? Sit and debate as 10 million brand new ships are fielded by a government that wishes you harm. You must act to ensure such aggression never comes. How then may the Republic attempt to match the Confederacy's build up to act as a deterrent against further aggression? I'd like to offer the Republic a comparable force of ships, and in exchange I'd like ownership of the research, designs, and facilities once belonging to Republic Sienar Systems. We'll employ the populace, give your economy an infusion of hard currency, and beef up your defense against the Confederacy."
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Posted: Sat Aug 08, 2009 12:37 pm
That's what I'd do
Now to figure out how to take advantage of the situation
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Posted: Sat Aug 08, 2009 12:46 pm
Curious Inquiry: Being that the Galactic Empire does not exist, it thus was not in servce at all as of 19 BBY, much less acting as a police force along the Outer Rim, chasing down smugglers such as Booster Terrik.
Instead, the Outer Rim is almost exclusively CIS territory, where they would be policing. On that note, the 19 BBY encounted between Voss Parck and Thrawn never occured.
Assuming him to still be in exile, what is his probable fate? Would someone have happened across him and picked him up, or would he still be in exile? Or dead?
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Posted: Sat Aug 08, 2009 12:58 pm
Thrawn got picked up before the end of the clone wars, so he's probably part of the republic navy.
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Posted: Sat Aug 08, 2009 1:23 pm
According to Parck's profile, he was in the Imperial Navy by that point. It hadn't been long, but by that point they had Stormtroopers and TIEs.
But with Palpatine gone and the Empire never having existed, that changes things. Voss could've still found him, but by this time the Republic has lost of it's space, especially along the Rim. Is it not possible they had to recall their forces, thus preventing the event from happening?
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Posted: Sat Aug 08, 2009 9:35 pm
I keep wanting to think Vossa was wearing a Guy Fawkes mask during that speech. For some reason, I picked up references to V for Vendetta in it.
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