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Posted: Fri Oct 08, 2010 11:39 am
Exactly. Doesn't she just ceate paper out of nothingness? or doesn't she have the paper come out of her sleeves?
I'm thinking that truthfully she is creating it from her own body, much like mokuton users.
Why don't you bring this up to the crew? and say that it doesn't really need changed, just maybe if everyone agrees, then it could be placed.
But yeah, everyone loves a good discussion. ^.^
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Posted: Fri Oct 08, 2010 11:43 am
Golden Spider of Kumo Exactly. Doesn't she just ceate paper out of nothingness? or doesn't she have the paper come out of her sleeves? I'm thinking that truthfully she is creating it from her own body, much like mokuton users. Why don't you bring this up to the crew? and say that it doesn't really need changed, just maybe if everyone agrees, then it could be placed. But yeah, everyone loves a good discussion. ^.^ She's clearly able to reform her body into thousands of sheets of paper and make tons and tons of it, enough to wrap people up... and many many of them, as well as make dozens of paper clones.
...so how, it's something similar to how a form of Mokuton works... at least as far as we can guess. But that doesn't mean it's an elemental combination like Mokuton is...
What would we say to the crew?
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Posted: Fri Oct 08, 2010 12:00 pm
Idk, That the description should maybe be edited to show that they can't make it out of wood, but they produce it from themselves.
Also, It actually severely resembles Mokuton when you describe it like that.
Doesn't Yamamoto come out of trees and such by using a Mokuton jutsu? So it only makes sense that She can do something like that, splitting herself into peices of paper and imitating things with that paper.
Also, If we read father into this, she would have to have something like Katon, or even Fuinjutsu if she were to make her paper end up as explosive tags. So something along the lines of a Special type of Fuinjutsu that they can use only would be better suited for their chakra type starting off.
And their Paper would be able to become so much more versatile, as they progress into later ranks and gain more chakra types. They could even come up with a little Jutsu that could be categorized as Origami no Katon Dara, Suiton Dara, and so on and so on. This would result in the users having the same amount of options to use as someone else would, and it would allow for leeway into using some for of an element to counteract with opponent's elements.
All of his is merely conjecture, but I'd say this is somewhat more true to the anime than what this guild entitles. The Clan jutsu would remain the same, but they would become capable of creating many more, and even making their own personal styles of jutsu for their character.
What are your thoughts on these points?
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Posted: Fri Oct 08, 2010 12:09 pm
Golden Spider of Kumo Doesn't Yamamoto come out of trees and such by using a Mokuton jutsu? Yes, he has been seen to do this.Golden Spider of Kumo So it only makes sense that She can do something like that, splitting herself into pieces of paper and imitating things with that paper. She already CAN do something like that, and in fact does it very often. And it was also shown she can make papers combine to make images of herself or even when she and Nagato were hidden in that "tree" which was just a large structure made of paper, made to LOOK like a tree.Golden Spider of Kumo Also, If we read father into this, she would have to have something like Katon, or even Fuinjutsu if she were to make her paper end up as explosive tags. So something along the lines of a Special type of Fuinjutsu that they can use only would be better suited for their chakra type starting off. Actually I think it was just mentioned that she HID explosive tags amongst her paper clones... maybe inside them or something. even further in the manga she was said to use Billions of explosive tags...Golden Spider of Kumo And their Paper would be able to become so much more versatile, as they progress into later ranks and gain more chakra types. They could even come up with a little Jutsu that could be categorized as Origami no Katon Dara, Suiton Dara, and so on and so on. This would result in the users having the same amount of options to use as someone else would, and it would allow for leeway into using some for of an element to counteract with opponent's elements. Maybe... it's an interesting concept to build elements into the paper techniques, but it would have to be explained fro EACH element, and I would limit it to only two accessible chakra types aside from the normal type.
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Posted: Fri Oct 08, 2010 12:26 pm
Ok, I thought I'd seen him do that, but I wasn't quite sure.
I know, I was agreeing with you on that part. ^.^
Yeah, but who carries around BILLIONS of explosive tags? No one. I'm sure that Shikimaru's trap for Hidan was already set up and waiting for him.
I know, I'm saying that you would have the main Clan jutsu, and then you'd have other branches set up like the normal elemental jutsu, except they'd be a cross between paper techniques, and regular techniques.Something to the effect of this.
Origami no dara Universal techs: { These are the already existing ones that are just Paper techniques. }
Origami No Katon dara: { These are the techniques that are paper plus Katon mixes. }
Origami no Suiton dara: { These are the techniques for Suiton and Paper Mixes }
Etc, Etc.
However the user would have to have that type of chakra to be able to use it. and it would only become available at Chunnin rank.
You could also implement Chakra type crosses, Such as Katon/Suiton Dara, and such.
Later if someone felt like it, or if the crew decides upon it, One could make a Fuinton Dara part, where they make their own Explosive tags with their chakra.
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Posted: Fri Oct 08, 2010 1:31 pm
OMG Corba you are alive OMG Could you have a look at my Summoning >.> I made it last night. Kumo you know what I am talking about
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Posted: Fri Oct 08, 2010 1:46 pm
Yep ^.^
Did you get it finished, or are you still working on it?
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Posted: Fri Oct 08, 2010 1:47 pm
Cobra_X Golden Spider of Kumo I guess. confused although I don't remember haku using a Suiton technique... ^.^ But oh well. Also, Wouldn't the Origami no dara people actually use their powers something like the mokuton users? Like their paper would come directly from their bodies? Because I really doubt she just randomly has literal trees worth of paper in her coat at all times. @Kumo - Her body has the ability to flake off and turn into paper. Presumably, she also is able to create MORE paper, kind of like how Mokuton users can change and replicate their cells into wood...?
...Origami no Dara is not at all described in how it works in the anime.
@Cain - I doubt you could jsut use Mokuton and water to make it. Seems like it's an ability reserved for Origami no Dara, and Origami no Dara users can't use Mokuton.No, cobra, what i mean is a mokutoun user attacks with a wood piller. I dodge and then use the pulp press technique to make paper out of the mokutoun wood. Thats what i meant.
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Posted: Fri Oct 08, 2010 1:55 pm
Omega_Krogan OMG Corba you are alive OMG Could you have a look at my Summoning >.> I made it last night. Kumo you know what I am talking about Who is this CORBA?!?!?
...but no, I cannot look at it. that's someone else's job. sorry, but I have enough going on.
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Posted: Fri Oct 08, 2010 1:55 pm
Golden Spider of Kumo Yep ^.^ Did you get it finished, or are you still working on it? Kinda I want to see if it is ok Before I post it.
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Posted: Fri Oct 08, 2010 1:56 pm
Cain the Blade Cobra_X Golden Spider of Kumo I guess. confused although I don't remember haku using a Suiton technique... ^.^ But oh well. Also, Wouldn't the Origami no dara people actually use their powers something like the mokuton users? Like their paper would come directly from their bodies? Because I really doubt she just randomly has literal trees worth of paper in her coat at all times. @Kumo - Her body has the ability to flake off and turn into paper. Presumably, she also is able to create MORE paper, kind of like how Mokuton users can change and replicate their cells into wood...?
...Origami no Dara is not at all described in how it works in the anime.
@Cain - I doubt you could jsut use Mokuton and water to make it. Seems like it's an ability reserved for Origami no Dara, and Origami no Dara users can't use Mokuton.No, cobra, what i mean is a mokutoun user attacks with a wood piller. I dodge and then use the pulp press technique to make paper out of the mokutoun wood. Thats what i meant. Yeah, I suppose that would work. The wood they make is real... so it stands to reason that you could convert it to paper.
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Posted: Fri Oct 08, 2010 2:02 pm
Sorry I meant Cobra I fail at spelling today and Dam I know you are amazing at Making things I would you could look at it and give me a few tips to help me out >.> But ok I Understand
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Posted: Fri Oct 08, 2010 2:07 pm
Also, golden, it doesnt work like that. To be Origami no Dara, you have to have suiton and doton elements to create the paper, like mokutoun. The suiton origami is the next level of the bloodline, like the sharingan levels.
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Posted: Fri Oct 08, 2010 2:08 pm
If their jutsu is already over with, I don't see the problem. Just no using it on a jutsu flying at your face.
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Posted: Fri Oct 08, 2010 2:12 pm
DID Konon ever use anything besides Origami techs? NO
Did Yamamoto ever use anything besides mokuton techs? YES
Plus did you not read through me and cobra's posts?
Both me and cobra agree that Mokuton is the combination of Doton and Suiton elements, because Yamamoto only uses those three elements.
But konon has only EVER used her Paper for things. So that is what we are going off of. We are going off of the core anime, you are going off what this guild says. { although, I'm mostly siding with cobra after he sorts the crap out of my theories, and makes them very plausible theories. }
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