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 Posted: Sat Sep 08, 2007 12:50 am
Well, you guys didn't have Larry Summers as president. While I do think the media treated him unfairly, he isn't exactly the most tactful guy on the planet, and I'm sure that the math and physics department reacted to what he said.
It just strikes me as odd that there are so many female assistant professors here, no female full professors, a bunch of female grad students, and very few female undergrad students in the math department here. Why so many female grads and assistant professors when there are so few female undergrads?
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Posted: Sat Sep 08, 2007 9:23 am
Layra-chan Well, you guys didn't have Larry Summers as president. While I do think the media treated him unfairly, he isn't exactly the most tactful guy on the planet, and I'm sure that the math and physics department reacted to what he said. It just strikes me as odd that there are so many female assistant professors here, no female full professors, a bunch of female grad students, and very few female undergrad students in the math department here. Why so many female grads and assistant professors when there are so few female undergrads? Well, I would imagine that many students go to Undergrad schools in cheaper schools which are probably just as good as the higher ups but just not heard of. For me, for instance, I am going to where I am now because of money as I am dirt poor, and even though I was accepted to my top picks and they gave me substantial sums, it simply wasn't enough. I can't make my family struggle to get me through when I can go to Undergrad for virtually for free. For grad school I'd go to the best school I can, because that is when it truly matters.
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Posted: Tue Sep 11, 2007 7:26 pm
Tiranin Layra-chan Why so many female grads and assistant professors when there are so few female undergrads? Well, I would imagine that many students go to Undergrad schools in cheaper schools which are probably just as good as the higher ups but just not heard of. Exactly. Undergraduate study costs money, and lots of it, whereas pursuing a PhD (in most sciences, as I understand) tends to get you full tuition scholarships and a stipend. Not everyone can afford to go to Harvard for undergrad, but it's a different ballgame once you have your first degree. I imagine the lack of female full professors has to do with the fact that a number of top-ranking US schools used to exclude female students, some of them until quite recently. And of course, such practices are symptoms of a larger problem with academia: people who think women don't belong or can't handle it. That kind of thinking is on the road to extinction, but its presence is still felt.
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Posted: Tue Sep 11, 2007 11:17 pm
The Mathematician Tiranin Layra-chan Why so many female grads and assistant professors when there are so few female undergrads? Well, I would imagine that many students go to Undergrad schools in cheaper schools which are probably just as good as the higher ups but just not heard of. Exactly. Undergraduate study costs money, and lots of it, whereas pursuing a PhD (in most sciences, as I understand) tends to get you full tuition scholarships and a stipend. Not everyone can afford to go to Harvard for undergrad, but it's a different ballgame once you have your first degree. I imagine the lack of female full professors has to do with the fact that a number of top-ranking US schools used to exclude female students, some of them until quite recently. And of course, such practices are symptoms of a larger problem with academia: people who think women don't belong or can't handle it. That kind of thinking is on the road to extinction, but its presence is still felt. That still doesn't answer why there are fewer undergraduate females than graduate females, though. Don't boys have the same money problems as girls?
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Posted: Thu Sep 13, 2007 7:20 am
Layra-chan The Mathematician Tiranin Layra-chan Why so many female grads and assistant professors when there are so few female undergrads? Well, I would imagine that many students go to Undergrad schools in cheaper schools which are probably just as good as the higher ups but just not heard of. Exactly. Undergraduate study costs money, and lots of it, whereas pursuing a PhD (in most sciences, as I understand) tends to get you full tuition scholarships and a stipend. Not everyone can afford to go to Harvard for undergrad, but it's a different ballgame once you have your first degree. I imagine the lack of female full professors has to do with the fact that a number of top-ranking US schools used to exclude female students, some of them until quite recently. And of course, such practices are symptoms of a larger problem with academia: people who think women don't belong or can't handle it. That kind of thinking is on the road to extinction, but its presence is still felt. That still doesn't answer why there are fewer undergraduate females than graduate females, though. Don't boys have the same money problems as girls? Well I would imagine it would be partially based on the school. Harvard, from what I know, hasn't been all that diverse for very long. It could also be that undergrad female students still opt to go for female undergrad colleges. Though in reality I am just guessing. In reality it is probably just due to the major(s) people seek and what a school has to offer. My school is brimming to the top with Bio female majors, under and grad, same for Chemistry and Chem Engineers.
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Posted: Thu Sep 13, 2007 6:24 pm
Tiranin Layra-chan The Mathematician Tiranin Layra-chan Why so many female grads and assistant professors when there are so few female undergrads? Well, I would imagine that many students go to Undergrad schools in cheaper schools which are probably just as good as the higher ups but just not heard of. Exactly. Undergraduate study costs money, and lots of it, whereas pursuing a PhD (in most sciences, as I understand) tends to get you full tuition scholarships and a stipend. Not everyone can afford to go to Harvard for undergrad, but it's a different ballgame once you have your first degree. I imagine the lack of female full professors has to do with the fact that a number of top-ranking US schools used to exclude female students, some of them until quite recently. And of course, such practices are symptoms of a larger problem with academia: people who think women don't belong or can't handle it. That kind of thinking is on the road to extinction, but its presence is still felt. That still doesn't answer why there are fewer undergraduate females than graduate females, though. Don't boys have the same money problems as girls? Well I would imagine it would be partially based on the school. Harvard, from what I know, hasn't been all that diverse for very long. It could also be that undergrad female students still opt to go for female undergrad colleges. Though in reality I am just guessing. In reality it is probably just due to the major(s) people seek and what a school has to offer. My school is brimming to the top with Bio female majors, under and grad, same for Chemistry and Chem Engineers. I guess. I'm just wondering where all the female grad-students come from, proportion-wise.
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Posted: Tue Sep 18, 2007 3:47 pm
Layra-chan Tiranin Layra-chan The Mathematician Tiranin Layra-chan Why so many female grads and assistant professors when there are so few female undergrads? Well, I would imagine that many students go to Undergrad schools in cheaper schools which are probably just as good as the higher ups but just not heard of. Exactly. Undergraduate study costs money, and lots of it, whereas pursuing a PhD (in most sciences, as I understand) tends to get you full tuition scholarships and a stipend. Not everyone can afford to go to Harvard for undergrad, but it's a different ballgame once you have your first degree. I imagine the lack of female full professors has to do with the fact that a number of top-ranking US schools used to exclude female students, some of them until quite recently. And of course, such practices are symptoms of a larger problem with academia: people who think women don't belong or can't handle it. That kind of thinking is on the road to extinction, but its presence is still felt. That still doesn't answer why there are fewer undergraduate females than graduate females, though. Don't boys have the same money problems as girls? Well I would imagine it would be partially based on the school. Harvard, from what I know, hasn't been all that diverse for very long. It could also be that undergrad female students still opt to go for female undergrad colleges. Though in reality I am just guessing. In reality it is probably just due to the major(s) people seek and what a school has to offer. My school is brimming to the top with Bio female majors, under and grad, same for Chemistry and Chem Engineers. I guess. I'm just wondering where all the female grad-students come from, proportion-wise. i think it is that becuase there are so many more guys than girls in maths, the girls are more determined to get to a higher level, espicially as there is a negative perception between girls and maths (or at leats in nz). I find it awful how many people are amazed i am studying maths, but if I was a guy or asian (preferable both) people wouldn't question it. It annoys me. I mean I understand that there are more guys then girls with systematic minds, but that doesn't mean the girls with systematic minds shouldn't be able to study maths if they choose to.
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