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 Posted: Thu Mar 24, 2005 7:23 pm
Naeryn Schildkrote i will make you hurt Schildkrote i will make you hurt Schildkrote yeah, i found that lapse a bit strange as well. but i think they only believe directly influenced laws were changed(i.e. Ecclesiasties 3:8 ) and all the rest stayed, like the ten commandments. Yeah, but didn't Jesus say something like "And the whole of the law shall be love thy neighbor as thyself?" i believe he did, but you dont see a lot of that anymore, do you? Nope. exactly. so obviously theyve slipped a little and decided to stay where they are rather than climb back up. The morons. here we are, at the same conclusion.
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Posted: Sat Mar 26, 2005 2:32 pm
what is pan sexual??? sweatdrop
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Posted: Sun Mar 27, 2005 3:58 pm
Cooleboetie what is pan sexual??? sweatdrop there's two definittions partway down the 4th page.
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Posted: Mon Mar 28, 2005 2:15 pm
I'm a Catholic hetero...I've been one before I even knew what sexuality was. And since my gender preference doesn't contradict the faith...it's not a motive to switch since I kinda like Catholocism...especially it's approach to the Bible.
I do think that some sects of Christianity are the most resistant to change such as this, but one must understand that for many this is not out of hatred. Denying someone something they want is not always done out of hatred. Parents will often deny children their wishes for their own safety.
When hell is a reality for you, things can get scary. Especially if you really care for those outside of your faith. Someone on Gaia asked me how could I live with myself knowing that my agnostic boyfriend was destined for hell and I was doing nothing about it.
Believing in hell...*sigh* I don't know what hell is but I wouldn't wish it on anybody. But...you can't force someone to believe. You can only tell them what you know and they must choose with their own heart.
If someone believes that salvation can only be obtained one way then I cannot comprehend why it is considered hateful to try and help other avoid what is considered to be the worst thing that can happen to a person. I'm not saying that pushing the matter is the best way to go about it as it creates a prejudice towards Christians. But if you fear for a friend's immortal soul, it isn't right to pretend you are totally and completely comfortable with it.
Violence, hate crimes and just treating people like crap are a totally different story.
This is why I don't feel ill towards the more fundimentalist faiths. I actually appreciate the fact that they care enough about my immortal soul to risk reputation and being hated...that takes a lot of courage. Even if I do not agree with that particular way of practicing faith...at least that can understand their motives.
The closed minds do not all belong on one side of the line. To feel that such things are always spawned out of hatred (in particular) is also close-minded....or at least a lack of understanding.
However I do understand perfectly well that we are not a theocracy. Rights are one thing...but I feel that the traditions of each faith should be respected.
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Posted: Mon Mar 28, 2005 7:16 pm
This can't be an accurate survey of the population... only half the people are heterosexual. (Hey, if a greater percentage of religious tolerance guild members were bisexual or homosexual than the ordinary population, I wonder what that's saying about the type of people that are willing to be tolerant?) ...I don't think sexual orientation affects the religion of heterosexuals. and I never had a religion to be affected by it, so that's doubly nil for me.Quote: When hell is a reality for you, things can get scary. Especially if you really care for those outside of your faith. Someone on Gaia asked me how could I live with myself knowing that my agnostic boyfriend was destined for hell and I was doing nothing about it. Believing in hell...*sigh* I don't know what hell is but I wouldn't wish it on anybody. But...you can't force someone to believe. You can only tell them what you know and they must choose with their own heart. If someone believes that salvation can only be obtained one way then I cannot comprehend why it is considered hateful to try and help other avoid what is considered to be the worst thing that can happen to a person. I'm not saying that pushing the matter is the best way to go about it as it creates a prejudice towards Christians. But if you fear for a friend's immortal soul, it isn't right to pretend you are totally and completely comfortable with it. Aye. And I can picture how anyone who pictures hell might get scared by it, too. However, the belief doesn't seem reasonable to me. I've never found a flaw in my argument for determinism (no free will). If there is someone that can punish people with eternal suffering just because their actions contradict some laws that He set out... Then so be it. It's not justified, and it's not in our control.
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Posted: Sun Apr 03, 2005 3:40 pm
chaoticpuppet Schildkrote chessiejo maybe there is an ulterior motive to being anti-gay in the church. all churches want big sunday schools and big families because they bring in money and also represent the future membership. gay couples have fewer kids. could that be a factor? not a bad idea. sounds like a safe bet as to why they enforce it, however, i think i might know where the homophobia comes from. Leviticus 18:22 "thou shalt not lie with mankind, as with womankind: it is an abomination." the people might not know the passage, but preists most likely do. and people do what preists tell them to. Now, I am a little bit familiar with christianity, and this is something I just probably will never understand. First off, note that Leviticus is in the Old Testament (OT), secondly, note that the coming of the lord (jesus) abolished most, if not all OT laws; lastly, note that being a christian means you believe that jesus already came... So, if jesus already came, and abolished most, if not all of OT law, why then is Levitican law, in part, if not in full, still practiced? If any christian is willing to explain this to me, I would love to hear it. See, what's a big problem a lot of Conservative Christians have. They dwell too much on the Old Testament. It's big in a lot of Protestant churches, specifically Missouri Senate Lutheran. It comes from taking the Bible literally, I think, which means going to every law in Leviticus. Try to read Leviticus some time. Chapters 18 and 20 are a laugh. The rest of the book is boring. Something to fall asleep to.
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Posted: Mon Apr 04, 2005 8:26 pm
yeah, i'll agree with that view of the book.
and on the hell idea: i can understand what theyre afraid of. i picked up the Divine Comedy to see what it was that bornigans(sp?) and the local kingdom hall were saying i was going to. very scary for anyone who believes in it.
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Posted: Mon Apr 04, 2005 9:46 pm
chaoticpuppet First off, note that Leviticus is in the Old Testament (OT), secondly, note that the coming of the lord (jesus) abolished most, if not all OT laws; lastly, note that being a christian means you believe that jesus already came... So, if jesus already came, and abolished most, if not all of OT law, why then is Levitican law, in part, if not in full, still practiced? If any christian is willing to explain this to me, I would love to hear it. See, what's a big problem a lot of Conservative Christians have. They dwell too much on the Old Testament. It's big in a lot of Protestant churches, specifically Missouri Senate Lutheran. It comes from taking the Bible literally, I think, which means going to every law in Leviticus. Try to read Leviticus some time. Chapters 18 and 20 are a laugh. The rest of the book is boring. Something to fall asleep to. Jesus really didn't abolish a lot of the laws but rather shook them up a bit. For example, OT law stated that adulterous women were to be stoned (that sounds like something that would be in Leviticus). Now Jesus didn't actually say "you can't stone adulterous women anymore" but rather "let he who is sinless cast the first stone." And so the woman was spared...no one was arrogent enough to say they were sinless. According the the scriptures that incident was being watched by Jewish officials who were hoping to trap Jesus in the situation. If he told the people not to stone the woman, that would be encouraging them to break Jewish law. If he let them stone her, he would be regarded as a hypocrite. Technically he really didn't change the rule that adulterers should be punished but rather gave a new way to look at it. Kinda like the Ten Commandments too. Only three of them tell you to do something. The rest tell you what you can't do. Jesus came and put a new spin on the Ten Commandments when he gave the Beatitudes. Be merciful. Be humble. Seek rightousness. Be pure of heart. have a desire to know God better. Be compassionate. Be brave in the face of persecution. etc. He didn't abolish the 10 C's. You still can't steal and murder etc. But He gives us a list of all these things that you CAN do in order to obtain salvation as opposed to a list of things that you CAN'T do. It puts a new spin on the old law.
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Posted: Mon Apr 04, 2005 10:45 pm
Cyanna chaoticpuppet First off, note that Leviticus is in the Old Testament (OT), secondly, note that the coming of the lord (jesus) abolished most, if not all OT laws; lastly, note that being a christian means you believe that jesus already came... So, if jesus already came, and abolished most, if not all of OT law, why then is Levitican law, in part, if not in full, still practiced? If any christian is willing to explain this to me, I would love to hear it. See, what's a big problem a lot of Conservative Christians have. They dwell too much on the Old Testament. It's big in a lot of Protestant churches, specifically Missouri Senate Lutheran. It comes from taking the Bible literally, I think, which means going to every law in Leviticus. Try to read Leviticus some time. Chapters 18 and 20 are a laugh. The rest of the book is boring. Something to fall asleep to. Jesus really didn't abolish a lot of the laws but rather shook them up a bit. For example, OT law stated that adulterous women were to be stoned (that sounds like something that would be in Leviticus). Now Jesus didn't actually say "you can't stone adulterous women anymore" but rather "let he who is sinless cast the first stone." And so the woman was spared...no one was arrogent enough to say they were sinless. According the the scriptures that incident was being watched by Jewish officials who were hoping to trap Jesus in the situation. If he told the people not to stone the woman, that would be encouraging them to break Jewish law. If he let them stone her, he would be regarded as a hypocrite. Technically he really didn't change the rule that adulterers should be punished but rather gave a new way to look at it. Kinda like the Ten Commandments too. Only three of them tell you to do something. The rest tell you what you can't do. Jesus came and put a new spin on the Ten Commandments when he gave the Beatitudes. Be merciful. Be humble. Seek rightousness. Be pure of heart. have a desire to know God better. Be compassionate. Be brave in the face of persecution. etc. He didn't abolish the 10 C's. You still can't steal and murder etc. But He gives us a list of all these things that you CAN do in order to obtain salvation as opposed to a list of things that you CAN'T do. It puts a new spin on the old law. Yes. And one of the things he says you CAN and SHOULD do is be compassionate and understanding of others. Common theme. Let he who is without sin cast the first stone. These concepts run contrary to the concept of killing your neighbor for just about any sin. Ten Commandments are actually important. Read through Leviticus, and honestly try and see Jesus would of approved of some of those laws and punishments.
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Posted: Sun Apr 10, 2005 11:50 am
I have ALOT of bisexual and homosexual friends and they get put down all the time b/c GOD said "it's wrong" and i never had an intrest in religion until i noticed how cruel of a subject it can be. Just about once a week i get into an argument with someone at school over it and it just really makes me mad stressed scream so yeah i have no problem with any sexuality i'm straight but that's me people can go for what ever they want...there are enough people in the world any way adopt.
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Posted: Mon Apr 11, 2005 6:12 pm
Kalvia I have ALOT of bisexual and homosexual friends and they get put down all the time b/c GOD said "it's wrong" and i never had an intrest in religion until i noticed how cruel of a subject it can be. Just about once a week i get into an argument with someone at school over it and it just really makes me mad stressed scream so yeah i have no problem with any sexuality i'm straight but that's me people can go for what ever they want...there are enough people in the world any way adopt. i think youve got the best way to look at it.
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Posted: Thu Apr 14, 2005 4:49 pm
Kalvia I have ALOT of bisexual and homosexual friends and they get put down all the time b/c GOD said "it's wrong" and i never had an intrest in religion until i noticed how cruel of a subject it can be. Just about once a week i get into an argument with someone at school over it and it just really makes me mad stressed scream so yeah i have no problem with any sexuality i'm straight but that's me people can go for what ever they want...there are enough people in the world any way adopt.
Yes, I've noticed how religion can bring out alot of ugly in some people. While other times I've seen it do a ton of good for a person. So I'm split on that one. I see all religions as relative. There is no right or wrong.
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Posted: Thu Apr 14, 2005 4:55 pm
Tigress Dawn Kalvia I have ALOT of bisexual and homosexual friends and they get put down all the time b/c GOD said "it's wrong" and i never had an intrest in religion until i noticed how cruel of a subject it can be. Just about once a week i get into an argument with someone at school over it and it just really makes me mad stressed scream so yeah i have no problem with any sexuality i'm straight but that's me people can go for what ever they want...there are enough people in the world any way adopt.
Yes, I've noticed how religion can bring out alot of ugly in some people. While other times I've seen it do a ton of good for a person. So I'm split on that one. I see all religions as relative. There is no right or wrong. true it does some people good i know so i just do what i think is right and take ideas i like from different religion and just try to be as understanding and openminded as i can
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Posted: Fri Apr 15, 2005 3:05 pm
When it comes to being told off for being a lesbian. They can go tell someone who cares. Oh, so you think I'm going to rot in hell? Fine, think that. I'm still gay.
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Posted: Sat Apr 16, 2005 1:08 pm
Marjuari_the_elemental When it comes to being told off for being a lesbian. They can go tell someone who cares. Oh, so you think I'm going to rot in hell? Fine, think that. I'm still gay. >.> who told you off for being gay i kill them scream *hunts around for ignorant idiot*
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