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 Posted: Sun May 13, 2007 3:00 am
Baulder Galadedrid Damodred Baulder Eragon and Arya (remind you of any other human/elf duos?) -Bafoon, if there are so many human/elf duos, then why the hell are you complaining about this one only??? You might as well be flaming Lord of the Rings, and every other human/elf duo out there as well! And yet, you decide to pick out only Eragon as your target. Eragon and Arya/Aragorn and Arwen You don't need to be an etymologist to see the semblance. rolleyes Resemblance, there is indeed. However, I really don't see how this little detail supports your arguement that Eragon steals stories. For one thing, Arya isn't bound by any laws to not love Eragon like Arwen was. Arya willingly chooses not to love Eragon so as to not distract him (which ironiclaly does the completely opposite, but that's beyond the point). Also, Arya's mom doesn't at all interfere with their relationship. And, Arya doesn't love Eragon back. She might, but she doesn't give him the love. Though it is simialar, the relationship between the two lovers Eragon and Arya is completely different from that of Aragorn and Arwen. Galadedrid Damodred Baulder a magical Ancient Language in which everything has a name which must be spoken in order to influence it (Ursula le Guin's Earthsea, anyone?) -The Ancient Language is much different from Earthsea. The names of Earthsea are an object's true identity, thus one who knows it's true identity controls it's identity. The ancient language however is more like a tool used to contorl magic, as described by Oromis. Magic is controlled by will alone, but with the Ancient language, one can word one's purpose concretely. So when one says "Blow up that door." But is picturing himself; instead of blowing up himself, he blows up the door. Although I must admit, this one is a tad bit simialar. Although, there are many books with an ancient language and true names and such. Why you chose to pick on Eragon only, again eludes me. Because some of my friends now refuse to read Tolkien, thinking it will not be as good as Inheritance, which makes my blood boil. Now come on, that's not a really good reason. Your just angry. If your friends refuse to read Lord of the Rings, then you should complain to them, not us. Very well, perhaps I shall have to concede defeat on the point of Aragorn and Arwen/Eragon and Arya, but you must admit, the two do sound suspiciously alike. Yes, I'm angry. Paolini rips off Tolkien and in doing so, turns people away from him? You bet I'm angry. I spent my whole life being sensible, reasonable and logical. I think I'm entitled to a few minutes of being unreasonably angry, don't you think?
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Posted: Sun May 13, 2007 3:02 am
Baulder Galadedrid Damodred Baulder The elven honorific Elda (quoth Lord Elrond: "The life of the Eldar is leaving you") -Elda is simialar to Elder. Who the hell cares that some guy's name is simialar? It's a popular thing to do to name something after the word Elder. Coincidence! If you had a girlfriend named Becky and then some other guy has a girlfriend named Rebecca; you wouldn't beat him up and then claim he was with your girlfriend, would you? Cause that's exactly what your doing right now. The same thing happens with many imitators of Tolkien. They steal words and phrases from Tolkien's elven dialects. Take elda, the example I have just given you, or Moredhel from Raymond E. Feist's Magician. Moredhel in Tolkien elvish = Black Elf. Still, Elda is still a very broad word that just about anyone could use. Your going to need something bigger if your going to convince anyone that the ancient language is the same as LotR's elven language. Well actually, I think it's just a mix of encrypted Finnish, Norse and English. Arget obviously comes from the word argent, meaning silver and draumr is very much like the word dream... Although kopr (stare) doesn't mean stare as in "gaze" but "gape, as in amazement or awe". I think. My Finnish is a little rusty.
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Posted: Sun May 13, 2007 3:04 am
Galadedrid Damodred Baulder Dragonriders (oh, looks like Anne Mcaffrey is owed a tithe too!) -Dragonlance, Dragonrider, Icefire, Firestar, Dragonslayer, every videogame with a dragon in it, Record of Lodoss War. Need I go on? Point is, the Dragonrider idea is used repeatedly. Once again, you pick on only Eragon to be fault. Dragonlance - In all the Dragonlance books I have read to date (and I have read no small number, believe you me) I have read of three characters riding dragons. They are: Tasslehoff Burrfoot, Huma Dragonsbane and Tanthalas Quisif nan-Pah. Hardly an order of dragon riders. Chris d'Lacey's books and Dragonslayer - Wouldn't know, never read them. No, not every videogame with a dragon in it. That is a gross generalization. You would make a very poor debater, I think. That's beyond the point. The point is that Dragonriders is a very wide subject. And in Dragonlance, there did use to be lots of dragons at one point. (I think, can't remember, I'll have to reread it.) My, you really hate it when someone generalizes in a arguement, don't you? Nothing tod ow ith the arguement, but just wanted to say it. Honestly, what's wrong with generalising in a debate?
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Posted: Sun May 13, 2007 3:07 am
Baulder Galadedrid Damodred Baulder Dragonriders (oh, looks like Anne Mcaffrey is owed a tithe too!) -Dragonlance, Dragonrider, Icefire, Firestar, Dragonslayer, every videogame with a dragon in it, Record of Lodoss War. Need I go on? Point is, the Dragonrider idea is used repeatedly. Once again, you pick on only Eragon to be fault. Dragonlance - In all the Dragonlance books I have read to date (and I have read no small number, believe you me) I have read of three characters riding dragons. They are: Tasslehoff Burrfoot, Huma Dragonsbane and Tanthalas Quisif nan-Pah. Hardly an order of dragon riders. Chris d'Lacey's books and Dragonslayer - Wouldn't know, never read them. No, not every videogame with a dragon in it. That is a gross generalization. You would make a very poor debater, I think. That's beyond the point. The point is that Dragonriders is a very wide subject. And in Dragonlance, there did use to be lots of dragons at one point. (I think, can't remember, I'll have to reread it.) My, you really hate it when someone generalizes in a arguement, don't you? Nothing tod ow ith the arguement, but just wanted to say it. Honestly, what's wrong with generalising in a debate? Firstly, in a debate, you must never assume anything. You must have evidence to back up everything you say. Generalisation is a good way to get the other team's rebuttal shoved up your a**. Secondly, generalisation is extremely irritating, since you're just throwing an entire genre in one boat without any regard for the individual articles. rolleyes I'm on my school's debating team. Sue me.
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Posted: Sun May 13, 2007 3:10 am
Anyway, gotta go now. It's been fun arguing with you! *waves* blaugh
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Posted: Sun May 13, 2007 3:14 am
Galadedrid Damodred Anyway, gotta go now. It's been fun arguing with you! *waves* blaugh Yeah, I'll probably have to go too. Ironically, as soon as we hit page 5, I don't think this arguement is even about whether or not Eragon steals anymore. From the last post, it's sounds like your just angry with the Eragon/Tolkien issue so you've been unreasonably making arguements this whole time... Seeya man, it was fun.
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Posted: Sun May 13, 2007 5:36 am
Galadedrid Damodred Anyway, gotta go now. It's been fun arguing with you! *waves* blaugh Ha-ha, yeah, following this argument... You just lost!!!!
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Posted: Sun May 13, 2007 8:19 am
Galadedrid Damodred Baulder Galadedrid Damodred Baulder I said name something, I didn't say give me an absurd list. But, as well, I will answer practically. Now, is that the plot of Star Wars or Inheritance? -Boy, it's a plot. All plots are the same. There is a great villain and a hero rises to bring him down. But every story has things that seperates it from others. If you were to trashing every story just because it has a plot simialar to some other story, then stories like Lord of the Rings would just as easily be trashed. Though Eragon's storyline is simialar to Star Wars, it's nothing the same. 1. Darth Vader is present in Star Wars. Morzan is dead in Eragon. 2. Eragon's sibling is his enemy's evil prodigy who eventually kicks Eragon's a**. Luke's sibling is a pansy girl that dresses scantily and wears cinamon buns as hair. Need I go on? No, it's not the plot of every book. Take, for example, Wheel of Time. The Dragon is Reborn to fight an endless, eternal battle against the Shadow. See Abhorsen. The seven descendants of great magical beings come together to seal an ancient evil under the earth. This is not the plot of every story. And the arguments you make are quite frankly feeble. Ridiculous, if I may say so. But if you narrow it down, it's just the story if a great 'evil,' and then someone rises as the only hope to bring that 'evil' down. And as for my arguements being ridiculous, it's ironic you say that, because I can, and I believe I have, said the same about yours. No. Not all stories are about the rise of a great evil and the rise of a hero to unseat it. The Bartimaeus Trilogy, for example, is about political intrigue. Fruits Basket (a graphic novel, but still literature) is about a family's struggling with a dark secret they bear, and the girl who helps them carry it. You are again generalising. How the hell can you compare Fruits Basket to Eragon and as much as I love Fruits Basket here let me point out some things: -MANY characters with a tragic past -the characters a beloved by most -they are all attractive Need I go on?
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Posted: Sun May 13, 2007 8:29 am
tbs.hellogoodbye Galadedrid Damodred Anyway, gotta go now. It's been fun arguing with you! *waves* blaugh Ha-ha, yeah, following this argument... You just lost!!!! Why Jenna I do believe your correct! Also, annoying guy you said a FEW minutes of not being sane well I do believe this thread has been active for several days now. Please correct me if I am wrong. Also, here is another example even though I love Harry Potter: -attractive lead characters -tragic past -power that matches the greatest dark wizard of all time -Hermione the lead female is the brightest student Hogwarts has probally ever seen -all good characters love the 3 lead characters -teachers are constantly giving the 3 leads breaks I mean how many rules must they break??? So why must you pick on Eragon I again ask???
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Posted: Tue May 15, 2007 3:39 am
Because I enjoy it. biggrin And in my opinion, that's reason enough to do anything.
And why are the people in this guild so rude?
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Posted: Tue May 15, 2007 1:01 pm
Galadedrid Damodred Because I enjoy it. biggrin And in my opinion, that's reason enough to do anything. And why are the people in this guild so rude? Cuz your rude. Okay, listen, you come to this guild talking BAD about the book that everyone joined this guild to talk good about. And then you come and start slamming it down with stupid reasons? rofl How dumb of you to ask...
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Posted: Tue May 15, 2007 5:23 pm
She has a good point Galadedrid. I believe you were asking for it.
But all in all, you put up a good fight.
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Posted: Tue May 15, 2007 6:16 pm
Baulder She has a good point Galadedrid. I believe you were asking for it. But all in all, you put up a good fight. Why, thank you, Baulder. I believe that's the only compliment you've ever given me. xd Haha. That is true, you did, you kept going. But... It just didn't work out for ya in the end, huh? Try a debate guild, really! 3nodding
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Posted: Sat May 19, 2007 8:24 am
tbs.hellogoodbye Galadedrid Damodred Because I enjoy it. biggrin And in my opinion, that's reason enough to do anything. And why are the people in this guild so rude? Cuz your rude. Okay, listen, you come to this guild talking BAD about the book that everyone joined this guild to talk good about. And then you come and start slamming it down with stupid reasons? rofl How dumb of you to ask... "Stupid reasons"? Have you read any of my arguments at all, or are you just plain daft?
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Posted: Sat May 19, 2007 8:52 am
Emotionless writing?
Why do you care people like me, and many others in this guild, enjoy this book. We do feel attached to the characters.
Does it mater if it makes us happy?
Debate is healthy ^^
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