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| C. Gimme da gold! |
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 Posted: Thu Aug 04, 2005 5:45 pm
Hotako Oh, my gosh... Sinner, I try to be respectful to people, but shut up. O_o; You just take out ONE sentence from his entire post which didn't have much to do with what he was saying and have a hissy fit over it. Just stick to the topic and leave it alone. You're turning this whole thread upside down just because of your own issues and stubborness. rolleyes "Hissy fit"? Girls throw hissy fits. I throw manly, angry rampages. And frankly, if he had admitted that he had a problem, it would have been over immediately. I'm only partially responsible here.
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Posted: Thu Aug 04, 2005 7:54 pm
chaoticpuppet Kutsuke, pray tell, what is a persecution complex? (If what you say is true)
On the topic, I personally think them to be good books, well written, and purely fictional. I also believe that they shouldn't be required to read in schools, or required to be read at all- I'm a firm believer in classing novels. heart I also believe that children shouldn't be reading them until they know the difference between real and imaginary, and between right and wrong. I believe that an adult, firm in his or her faith, should know the difference between reading a fictional book and practicing "the real thing".
(I also believe that the "witchcraft" in the books is strictly imaginary. Ms. Rowling herself has said that she makes up the spells in the books, that none of it is based in reality- and besides, most of it is merely bastardized Latin.)
My bit on this arguement.
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Posted: Thu Aug 04, 2005 7:59 pm
What you are is childish. >_> (Bwa, missread something and edited a sentence out. ^^;; )
*sigh* Anyway... I really have no problem with Harry Potter. I'm sure there are some fans out there who decide they want to be just like Harry and take up magic or something like that, but I don't know if that makes the book evil. That's like saying anything with magic in it is evil to me, and there are lots of cute little kid stories and fantasy novels with tons of evil things in it that could be based of occultic or satanic rituals or not. I think Harry Potter just gets the worst of it because it's so popular.
Of course that's just my own personal oppinion. I haven't really researched the author or evil-devil-whatever references in Harry Potter. To me it's just an exciting fantasy novel. *shrugs*
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Posted: Thu Aug 04, 2005 9:44 pm
Kyoki Marie A persecution complex is a fancy way to say you have a "woe is me" complex. It applies to every person who says "Everything is more difficult because I'm a _____", not just Christians. Sinner has a valid point, although in the wrong thread. xp IN this case, Christians do have it difficult, I will give, and with the rampant acceptance of "everything" as appropriate, it does present difficulties. However, it isn't only Christians who have that. Muslims, or anyone with what is considered a "fanatical" faith will have a difficult time. More appropriately, anyone who says that something is "wrong" when society accepts it as right will have said complex. Is it me, or is sarcastic rhetoric lost on web sites? It is reassuring that you noticed what a persecution complex is, however, I am not sure, whether or not you noticed the trap I was setting for Kutsuke, and that is rather - honestly - sadly amusing. Quote: On the topic, I personally think them to be good books, well written, and purely fictional. I also believe that they shouldn't be required to read in schools, or required to be read at all- I'm a firm believer in classing novels. heart I also believe that children shouldn't be reading them until they know the difference between real and imaginary, and between right and wrong. I believe that an adult, firm in his or her faith, should know the difference between reading a fictional book and practicing "the real thing". (I also believe that the "witchcraft" in the books is strictly imaginary. Ms. Rowling herself has said that she makes up the spells in the books, that none of it is based in reality- and besides, most of it is merely bastardized Latin.) My bit on this arguement. As I have said before, what we need, is to brainwash people so that we all conform to one specific ideal. This will ensure that no one does anything, willingly, that is wrong. We could create the utopia of utopia's, if we could effectively mandate such action. Think of how beautiful the world would be. We would all be the same. We would never have to worry about any unpleasent things, and life would be perfect. It would be perfect bliss, such wonderful ignorance.
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Posted: Thu Aug 04, 2005 10:02 pm
chaoticpuppet Is it me, or is sarcastic rhetoric lost on web sites?
*also noticed no traps* You'll find me hopelessly naive and usually piping up in all the wrong places. I'm afraid I just answer questions as I see them, and I also don't tend to read anything into anything. I usually just assume that a person means what they say. (Usually, I'm wrong, but I don't particularly mind discovering the fact.) Sorry to disrupt your... erm... trap.
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Posted: Fri Aug 05, 2005 8:00 pm
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Posted: Fri Aug 05, 2005 8:01 pm
Tangled Up In Blue Whoa there. Reality check, people. Harry Potter is a work of fiction whose sole purpose is to tell a story. It is not advocating witchcraft; it is simply laying forth an entertaining plot. If you wish to follow the sort of logic that demonizes any piece of fiction that doesn't conform exactly to biblical proscriptions then you wind up saying that it's bad for Christians to read Faust because the plot revolves around a man making a deal with the Devil. If you can't read a book that depicts witchcraft, then you definitely shouldn't read a book about a man making deals with Satan. Likewise you would have to say that Christians shouldn't read The Grapes of Wrath because some of the things that the character Jim Casy says in that book are far more subversive to the Christian faith than anything contained in Harry Potter. A Connecticut Yankee In King Arthur's Court by Mark Twain is openly disparaging of the Christian faith and probably shouldn't be read either. Kurt Vonnegut's Slaughterhouse-Five shouldn't be read by Christians either by your logic, nor should Hemmingway's A Farewell to Arms because it includes a character saying "All thinking men are atheists." Catch-22 should be avoided by Christians at all costs, they shouldn't read anything written by Baruch Spinoza, nor Shakespeare's MacBeth (and probably a lot of other Shakespearian plays), nor The Iliad and the Odyssey because they contain pagan rituals. In fact, why not just throw out all literature other than the bible, just to avoid even the possibility of reading non-Christian thoughts? C'mon. God didn't make you stupid so don't act like you are. Reading about people using magic may make a small child go "Ooh neat!" and spend a little time in the backyard waving a stick around pretending to cast spells but that's it. This stuff is supposed to be fun. If God had wanted a race of people that did nothing by praise him and contemplate his dictates then he would have made robots instead of men. You're supposed to use at least some portion of your life to enjoy yourselves. Harry Potter won't turn you from God anymore than Faust will and if your faith is so weak that it would turn you to witchcraft then maybe you should ask yourself whether or not you're actually a Christian. *applause* 3nodding
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Posted: Fri Aug 05, 2005 8:14 pm
Look, I enjoy Harry Potter. It''s a good book. Had I never read it, I would be just the same. Just because you''re Christian doesn''t mean reading only things that directly agree with the Christian view. In that point though, I don''t see Harry Potter disagreeing. It is openly stated to be FANTASY. Quote: As I have said before, what we need, is to brainwash people so that we all conform to one specific ideal. This will ensure that no one does anything, willingly, that is wrong. We could create the utopia of utopia''s, if we could effectively mandate such action. Think of how beautiful the world would be. We would all be the same. We would never have to worry about any unpleasent things, and life would be perfect. It would be perfect bliss, such wonderful ignorance. Just a note, when attempting to be sarcastic, it''s best to truely represent the views of those you are attempting to satarize. Tangled Up In Blue, though we may read non-Christian ideas, and ponder them, we need not necessarily agree.
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Posted: Fri Aug 05, 2005 9:16 pm
Aeonian.life Just a note, when attempting to be sarcastic, it''s best to truely represent the views of those you are attempting to satarize. No longer going for satire, going for a dystopian point of view, now.
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Posted: Tue Aug 09, 2005 12:25 pm
Harry Potter is not evil! My aunt has been trying to get me to beleive it is though... she say's all witchcraft is evil and the books are trying to make it seem innocent, but it's not. But I disagree, I used The Wizard of Oz, as my diffence, knowing that she loved. I asked her if she thought that it (TWoO) was evil, and she seid "no", so I seid "There is good witchcraft in that movie (the good witch of the North), so if your going to condemn HP, you have to condemn it as well". So she has not seid a bad word about it sence.
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Posted: Tue Aug 09, 2005 5:37 pm
Maybe Pope Benedict hasn't read the Harry Potter series. Perhaps his opinion will be different if he reads them.
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Posted: Wed Aug 10, 2005 2:10 pm
I don't think it's compleaty harmless, Harry Potter has interested many kids in witchcraft, but ultimately I think you can read them, just keep your eyes open for occultic material.
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Posted: Sat Sep 03, 2005 7:21 am
chaoticpuppet Yes, I so completely agree with Pope Benedict. Harry Potter is evil; the only option we have left is to burn all such books and discontinue the usage of freedom of speech. You see, if we burn all the books, there will be none left to ruin and sow seeds of doubt in those too young to fend for themselves, spiritually speaking. The discontinueing of the freedom of speech will further guarantee that this will never happen again. Our nation is so corrupt. if we burn all books the bible is included in that and then we would be helping the very thing that we set out to destroy.
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Posted: Sat Sep 03, 2005 8:02 am
SUPERSQUIRRELX Harry Potter has interested many kids in witchcraft Sources, please?
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Posted: Sat Sep 03, 2005 8:22 am
What does the pope do? Besides say that Harry Potter books are evil. I'm not catholic or anything. I'm just really curious as to what it is the pope is suppose to do? What importance does he play in a Catholic's life?
I'm a Christian. A believer in Christ.
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