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 Posted: Thu Jun 07, 2007 2:08 am
Caterham_Paladin I do not like it and I will not support it, but the Lord says that it is not my place to judge. I also try to stay neutral on the subject in most threads due to the fact that you never know what's the status of the thread owner. I believe that if a person is gay/queer/homosexual that is their thing and they will have a good man to man with God one day and they will discuss what the marriage policy is in heaven. I also remember that, yes, there are times in the bible that homosexually is called and "abominable sin" and one that can never be forgiven, but Jesus also says that he fulfilled the law and that the new law of God will be written on ones heart. Funny fact... Did you know that almost all Christians are Homosectuals? ***************************************
Highlight to reveal the reason...
Homo-SECT-uals
Most Christians try to have friends and neighbors that are also Christians... They try and stay within their sect and keep the world away from themselves and their families. This trend has been slowing and many christian have found that the old "Bible Warrior" routine isn't going to help save the world.
*************************************** it might have been already said but GOd says all sins are forgiveable with exception of one, which is blasphemey of the holy spirit not homosexuality/
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Posted: Thu Jun 07, 2007 6:49 pm
Quote: Quote: I mean, there are lots of places in the Bible where it talks about how it's wrong. Quote: No, there aren't. neutral Yes, there are, here are two: "You shall not lie with a male as you would a female; it is an abomination" Leviticus 18:22 "Or do you not know that the unrighteous will not inherit the kingdom of God? Do not be deceived; neither fornicators, nor idolaters, nor adulterers, nor effeminate, nor homosexuals nor thieves, nore the covetous, nore drunkards, nore revilers, nor swindlers, will inherit the kingdom of God." 1 Corinthians 6:9-10 Quote: Quote: Even aside from that - from the very beginning, our God created man to be with woman. Quote: God created two genders, true, but he did not intend for them to have sex at all in the first place. Sex drive was a result of the fall. He created them to have sex before the fall: "Then God said 'Let Us make man in Our image, according to Our likeness; and let them rule over the fish of the sea and over the birds of the sky and over the cattle and over all the earth, and over every creeping thing that creeps on the earth; God created man in His own image, in the image of God He created him; male and female He created them. God blessed them; and God said to them, ' Be fruitful and multiply (a.k.a. Have sex), and fill the earth, and subdue it; and rule over the fish of the sea and over the birds of the sky and over every living thing that moves on the earth." Genesis 1:26-28 Quote: Genesis 1:18-25 18 The LORD God said, "It is not good for the man to be alone. I will make a helper suitable for him." 19 Now the LORD God had formed out of the ground all the beasts of the field and all the birds of the air. He brought them to the man to see what he would name them; and whatever the man called each living creature, that was its name. 20 So the man gave names to all the livestock, the birds of the air and all the beasts of the field.
But for Adam [h] no suitable helper was found. 21 So the LORD God caused the man to fall into a deep sleep; and while he was sleeping, he took one of the man's ribs and closed up the place with flesh. 22 Then the LORD God made a woman from the rib [j] he had taken out of the man, and he brought her to the man.
23 The man said,
"This is now bone of my bones
and flesh of my flesh;
she shall be called 'woman, [k] '
for she was taken out of man."
24 For this reason a man will leave his father and mother and be united to his wife, and they will become one flesh.
25 The man and his wife were both naked, and they felt no shame.The first bolded portion shows us that God first looked among the animals for a companion for Adam. However, he clearly condemns those who sleep with animals repeatedly throughout the text of the bible. This would imply that God did not want Adam sleeping with anyone at first. The second bolded shows that neither Adam nor his wife were ashamed of being naked, a sign that there was as of that time no nudity taboo, as there is later in the Old Testament. Later in the Old testament, God supports the nudity taboo as a way of keeping sex sacred, but here he just doesn't care. This shows that neither Adam nor his wife Eve wanted or even knew what sex was. Second, God making two genders works from an evolutionary perspective too. One gender cannot reproduce, meaning the species would die out. If homosexuality was such a recessive trait as it is today, this means that while it would be present in the Old Testament tribes, without taking away the reproductive power of said tribes. Nowadays, the earth is completely full. There is no need to reproduce, and as such, there should be no taboo against choosing not to. Also: There's a funny thing here. In Genesis 1, God made man on the sixth day; After light, sky, land, plants, birds and animals. Man was created in order to rule over all these, and was blessed by God to rule over the earth. And then God saw that it was good, etc. Then we have the second chapter of Genesis. Genesis 2:4-6 4 This is the account of the heavens and the earth when they were created. When the LORD God made the earth and the heavens- 5 and no shrub of the field had yet appeared on the earth and no plant of the field had yet sprung up, for the LORD God had not sent rain on the earth [c] and there was no man to work the ground, 6 but streams [d] came up from the earth and watered the whole surface of the ground- the LORD God formed the man (The Hebrew for man (adam) sounds like and may be related to the Hebrew for ground (adamah) it is also the name Adam (see Gen. 2:20)) from the dust of the ground and breathed into his nostrils the breath of life, and the man became a living being. Here, Adam is made on the third day; after the earth, sky and land, but before the plants, birds and animals. Adam was then placed into a special garden God had formed to the east, Eden, where his purpose was to live in and take care of the Garden. The fact that man was created long after Adam shows that the blessing God gave was not intended for Adam after all. It was intended for this other human creation, which is further supported by the existence of the land of Nod (Wanderers), and the existence of Cain's wife in Genesis 4, as well as the fact that he was building a city. (Not for plants, most likely.) Just because they were not ashamed of their nakedness does not mean that it was because it did not have to do with sex, it was because they were sinless and there was nothing to be tempted by, therefore nothing to hide, therefore no reason to be ashamed. No, the Bible says the plants were already there on the earth, they had just yet to sprout, then he sent a mist, they sprouted. Adam was still created on the sixth day. The story of Cain and Abel occured about 100 years after the fall of man, by this time Adam and Eve could have had many other children, who would have had about 3 generations of children in this time. That explains how there were cities (they were still small, more of villages, as all cities start as) and how Cain could be afraid of other men. Later in the Bible it says that we are all born of Adam, I believe it is the Apostle Paul who says "We are all born of the seed of Adam." So other men were not created. Men were made on the sixth day, like it says in the first book of the Bible.
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Posted: Thu Jun 07, 2007 7:34 pm
Just something I'd like to say to all of those saying homosexuality is wrong, like I am:
Homosexuals won't listen, I have never met one who did. They will keep saying it is your interpretation, they don't feel wrong, etc. It's a lost cause, we can warn them, but they will never listen to logic, at least not one I have met will.
To any homosexual that would listen, read all the verses, I like NASB translation, I have found it is the closest to the original languages. In 10-20 years you can read whatever version I translate, because I'm learning Hebrew, Greek, and Aramic, and will translate my own Bible with no bias, only what the original languages said. Until then, either learn Hebrew, Greek, and Aramic, or just read whatever you feel is closest, then you will see that no matter what translation you read (except for a paraphrase. Paraphrase Bible = EVIL!) you will find at least one verse against homosexuality.
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Posted: Thu Jun 07, 2007 9:37 pm
Levi Jones Caterham_Paladin I do not like it and I will not support it, but the Lord says that it is not my place to judge. I also try to stay neutral on the subject in most threads due to the fact that you never know what's the status of the thread owner. I believe that if a person is gay/queer/homosexual that is their thing and they will have a good man to man with God one day and they will discuss what the marriage policy is in heaven. I also remember that, yes, there are times in the bible that homosexually is called and "abominable sin" and one that can never be forgiven, but Jesus also says that he fulfilled the law and that the new law of God will be written on ones heart. Funny fact... Did you know that almost all Christians are Homosectuals? ***************************************
Highlight to reveal the reasoning...
Homo-SECT-uals
Most Christians try to have friends and neighbors that are also Christians... They try and stay within their sect and keep the world away from themselves and their families. This trend has been slowing and many Christians have found that the old "Bible Warrior" routine isn't going to help save the world.
*************************************** it might have been already said but God says all sins are forgivable with exception of one, which is blasphemy of the holy spirit not homosexuality/ Sorry for the wait on my reply... I have reread and discussed the verse I was using as a basis for my claim that homosexuality is an abominable sin and... That was the word of Paul, not the word of Christ or God. It could very well be that that verse was his personal opinion. So I will withdraw that claim... I do still believe it is a sin though... sorry...
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Posted: Fri Jun 08, 2007 7:54 am
CW Hart I'm sure he didn't give them a p***s and a v****a so they would have their own unique ways of going potty. rofl rofl rofl rofl rofl rofl
That is very possibly the funniest thing I've heard since yesterday evening.
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Posted: Tue Jun 19, 2007 10:06 am
I am willing to say I do not know if homos are born that way or not but I do know that not all people are marked for God to live in his kingdom. Maybe you are born that way just as people are born doomed to go to hell. I do know that our actions what ever they may be are indeed choices and we can choose not to perform sinfull acts and repent our sinfull thoughts. - just a thought.
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Posted: Tue Jun 19, 2007 8:21 pm
first of all, i do not believe that some people are doomed to hell... you must be a calvinist or something...
and i do believe that to be homosexual, or at least to commit a homosexual act and sin as a result is a choice. think about it, we all have impulses, right? We can be mad, or lust, or in this case want to engage in homosexual acts. But do we have to kill? Do we have to do engage in homosexual acts? In other words, do we have to act on our impulses? No. Its your choice. Feelings aren't sinful, acting on feelings in a negative way is.
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Posted: Wed Jun 20, 2007 4:37 pm
BrokenFighter Just something I'd like to say to all of those saying homosexuality is wrong, like I am: Homosexuals won't listen, I have never met one who did. They will keep saying it is your interpretation, they don't feel wrong, etc. It's a lost cause, we can warn them, but they will never listen to logic, at least not one I have met will. To any homosexual that would listen, read all the verses, I like NASB translation, I have found it is the closest to the original languages. In 10-20 years you can read whatever version I translate, because I'm learning Hebrew, Greek, and Aramic, and will translate my own Bible with no bias, only what the original languages said. Until then, either learn Hebrew, Greek, and Aramic, or just read whatever you feel is closest, then you will see that no matter what translation you read (except for a paraphrase. Paraphrase Bible = EVIL!) you will find at least one verse against homosexuality. two quick things, 1. ever stop to consider that maybe if 100% of a group of people seem to feel that they are not wrong, maybe they aren't? 2. your version of the bible will contain bias based on how you decide to translate words. also there is the possibility of actually finding out that my side is correct, then what?
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Posted: Wed Aug 15, 2007 1:37 am
The fact that it is right or wrong is moot when it comes to this discussion, really. I think that supporting people who come out as homosexuals however is a good thing. God gave us free will, or agency, for a reason. To make our own decisions even though advice has been given to us about how God thinks we should live.
We were put on this earth for one reason and one reason only: To learn and to grow. Some of us learn different things and grow in different directions. No two people think the same way all the time.
We have been told in the bible, and I haven't memorized it so I can't give an exact scripture, but it boils down to 'Judge not lest ye be judged.' Only one person has the right to judge whether or not what one person does is evil, and that is Jesus Christ. He has lived a perfect life and suffered for all the sin that was committed and will be committed by mankind. He is the only one who has a right to judge.
Whether we think it's right or wrong doesn't matter. =) I just love my neighbor as the bible teaches me. Whether that person is straight, gay, bi, or anything in between doesn't matter. They are my fellow human beings and I shall treat them as I wish to be treated. Whether they choose to follow the word of God to a T is their choice and their choice only. It is not our place to say whether it is right or wrong.
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Posted: Thu Aug 16, 2007 8:22 am
Ok, I may be fairly new to this guild and my input may not be accepted as much as other, but I do have something to say on the matter. I agree with all of the points made in this thread. Yes, homosexuality can be a choice and you can be born with it. Also, I agree that it is a sin. HOWEVER God, does not look on the outward appearance of ourselves. He sees the heart. He does not see how man sees, God sees our true selves and what we are going to become. Also, God does not think that one sin is more great than another. To God, sin is sin. He sees homosexuality to be just as bad as murder or rape, lust, envy, or even lying. But one thing people fail to realize is, no matter what sins you are committing, if you truly love God, understand the true magnitude of the sacrifice Jesus made for us [and believe me, it doesnt even start with dying for us. there is a list] then you will understand that, it doesnt matter what sins you commit. Its how your heart is. If you love God, you will turn from those sins. And, if it be homosexuality, or a tough sin that may be hard to break the bonds of it, God will surley help you. He will never leave you or forsake you. He is ALWAYS with you through the good times and the bad. That is how I see it.
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Posted: Mon Aug 20, 2007 10:59 am
"God loves his children no matter what. No matter if we had chosen homosexuality, or stayed straight."
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Posted: Thu Aug 23, 2007 10:20 am
rolandgarros and i do believe that to be homosexual, or at least to commit a homosexual act and sin as a result is a choice. think about it, we all have impulses, right? We can be mad, or lust, or in this case want to engage in homosexual acts. But do we have to kill? Do we have to do engage in homosexual acts? In other words, do we have to act on our impulses? No. Its your choice. Feelings aren't sinful, acting on feelings in a negative way is.
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Posted: Thu Aug 23, 2007 11:09 am
Ah, once again a homosexuality thread rears it's ugly head amongst the christian community of gaia. Once again it causes a rift & hurt feelings amongst that community of brothers & sisters in Christ. This is a very old arguement amongst christians. Notice how these threads whether made for further clarification or to argue cause problems? Don't give the devil the satisfaction of watching fellow christians fight amongst each other or with others. Perhaps instead of anyone (no offense to the thread creator) stating "this is wrong & here's why", they should instead share a verse on a subject in question. Post said verse on homosexuality (or other subject) & state, "I read this & here's what I got out of it. What are your thoughts?" By sharing ones views without condemnation we can hopefully discuss the Bible without creating hurt feelings amongst others. Stand firm on your view points, but don't flame others for their views points. Let us together as a united body of Christ discuss the Bible & His teachings.
With that being said here's my personnel view on the subject.
I have read verses against homosexuality & have taken recently a Bible study class at my church that touched on the subject. To my understanding God is against the act of men with men. Now I'm not as clear on women in this aspect. Though the subject in general would appear to me as all mankind should not partake in this act, yet at least one verse (in old testament) if I remember correctly only speaks of men. I don't hate anyone for being who they are, but I wont tell anyone what they do is correct or wrong on this subject. I enjoy a good calm discussion on Bible subjects. It helps me understand more clearly & hopefully helps others as well. I'm not condeming or condoning anyone on this subject. Merely stating how I feel & what I've read & been taught. Please share with me & I'll share with you. Together we'll come closer in understanding our Lord & Savior & each other.
God Bless smile
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Posted: Thu Aug 30, 2007 10:10 pm
I have family and friends who are gay and i respect them because i know god told me not judge them only to expected them with love and kindness . I my self is Bi-sexual and i ask god to forgive me and he did ,as long i love him first and i do .
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Posted: Sat Sep 08, 2007 1:21 pm
I recently thought of a new point on this. If Homosexuality was ok with God, then why are homosexualls only now, when sin rules every aspect of the public, coming out? If it was alright with God, homosexualls wouldn't have been killed for that reason back when they took God much more seriously. It would have been a part of daily life for all people even in the very begining. People have thrust God away from them and only when this has happened have homosexualls, 'come out of the closet'. But those who think its right won't listen to me, I've been there, I know. The Bible also states that "those who wish to be ignorant will not listen." God is coming back for a whole and spotless church. If you're not part of that, you will be left behind. We are in the end days, so ask God for the truth about this matter. Please, for the sake of your spirit.
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