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VoijaRisa

PostPosted: Sun Apr 22, 2007 9:00 pm


Sorry. I was out of town for a few days. But I'm back now.
PostPosted: Sun Apr 22, 2007 9:05 pm


Emily`s_Gone_Mad
Oooh Yay Funness!

I know I don't know what happened?
The guild seems deadish too..
and we have double more mebers?
o.o

XP

honestly I don't think members are the problem but there are no new posts... I'll start a contest in the sub-forum....

Sun Charm
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`Zeke

PostPosted: Sun Apr 22, 2007 9:14 pm


Welcome back all. Tomorrow I'll have a new question to pose and hopefully a brief idea on the contest.
PostPosted: Tue Apr 24, 2007 10:47 am


My new question I pose is: What gases are the Sun made of, and when do you expect the Sun to burn out?





As for the contest, I still haven't gotten any idea on what it will be. But I think I want the prizes to be monthly collectables that relate to Astronomy.

Until I get a job I don't think this contest can really get unerway, anyways.

`Zeke


VoijaRisa

PostPosted: Tue Apr 24, 2007 1:01 pm


That's a rather easy question.

The sun is ~70% hydrogen 28% helium and 2% everything else (by mass).

This is determined via spectroscopy (ie, looking at absorption lines in the spectra). Go here for an extremely high resolution picture of said spectra.

What do you mean "when will the sun burst out"? Burst as in with a solar flare? Turn into a read giant?

If it's the first, such things are extremely hard to predict. Solar flares tend to occur around the high point of stellar activity in the 11 year cycle (the low was a year or two ago). But this isn't always true. In 2003, there were a series of extremely large flares which was near the time of minimum as well.

If you're talking about the second, the sun has ~5 billion years left of main sequence lifetime.
PostPosted: Tue Apr 24, 2007 2:52 pm


VoijaRisa
That's a rather easy question.

The sun is ~70% hydrogen 28% helium and 2% everything else (by mass).

This is determined via spectroscopy (ie, looking at absorption lines in the spectra). Go here for an extremely high resolution picture of said spectra.

What do you mean "when will the sun burst out"? Burst as in with a solar flare? Turn into a read giant?

If it's the first, such things are extremely hard to predict. Solar flares tend to occur around the high point of stellar activity in the 11 year cycle (the low was a year or two ago). But this isn't always true. In 2003, there were a series of extremely large flares which was near the time of minimum as well.

If you're talking about the second, the sun has ~5 billion years left of main sequence lifetime.
*bows to your knowledge*

kitten22481
Crew


Jad-Hoven

PostPosted: Tue Apr 24, 2007 9:04 pm


Yup VoijaRisa's got it.

Just to add a little detail.

Chemical make up
Hydrogen 73.46 %
Helium 24.85 %
Oxygen 0.77 %
Carbon 0.29 %
Iron 0.16 %
Sulphur 0.12 %
Neon 0.12 %
Nitrogen 0.09 %
Silicon 0.07 %
Magnesium 0.05 %

the Carbon Oxygen and Nitrogen is somewhat significant since it can act as a catalyst for some of the nuclear reactions in the sun (pretty insignificant for the sun but important for some stars) http://csep10.phys.utk.edu/astr162/lect/energy/cno.html

"The Sun does not have enough mass to explode as a supernova. Instead, in 4-5 billion years, it will enter a red giant phase, its outer layers expanding as the hydrogen fuel in the core is consumed and the core contracts and heats up. Helium fusion will begin when the core temperature reaches around 100 MK, and will produce carbon and oxygen. While it is likely that the expansion of the outer layers of the Sun will reach the current position of Earth's orbit, recent research suggests that mass lost from the Sun earlier in its red giant phase will cause the Earth's orbit to move further out, preventing it from being engulfed. However, Earth's water will be boiled away and most of its atmosphere will escape into space.
Following the red giant phase, intense thermal pulsations will cause the Sun to throw off its outer layers, forming a planetary nebula. The only object that will remain after the outer layers are ejected is the extremely hot stellar core, which will slowly cool and fade as a white dwarf over many billions of years. This stellar evolution scenario is typical of low- to medium-mass stars" (from wikipedia article on the Sun and backed up by my old astrophysics textbook)
PostPosted: Tue Apr 24, 2007 9:09 pm


I could da told ya, but well some one already said.. wink
and sure the question is easy for an Astronomer or anyone who has taken an Astronomy class...but
not everyone in this guild is at that level..

catzilerella
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catzilerella
Captain

PostPosted: Tue Apr 24, 2007 9:27 pm


What I want to know is...
if it's possible for a solar maximum to take out our magnetic field?

I think last maximum was in 1989 which caused strong geomagnetic storm surges throughout the world...

I was just wondering if a solar maximun directed straight twards us, could cause major damage to the magnetic fields which protect us from such brusts from the sun?
PostPosted: Tue Apr 24, 2007 9:54 pm


Jad-Hoven
the Carbon Oxygen and Nitrogen is somewhat significant since it can act as a catalyst for some of the nuclear reactions in the sun (pretty insignificant for the sun but important for some stars) http://csep10.phys.utk.edu/astr162/lect/energy/cno.html
The CNO cycle is completely irrelevant for the sun. It only occurs when the temperature is sufficiently high (ie, high enough to imply kinetic energies high enough to breach Columb barriers). The sun is far too cool for this to happen. The sun will only be able to go through the pp chain and the triple alpha process.

catzilerella
What I want to know is...
if it's possible for a solar maximum to take out our magnetic field?
Not really. Back in September 1859 there was an extremely powerful solar flare that was visible during broad daylight. It was powerful enough that it was able to push through Earth's magnetic field, allowing charged particles to reach the surface, which shorted telegraph wires, causing numerous fires.

However, the Earth's magnetic field reasserted itself and comparison with ice core samples show that it returned to normal extremely quickly.

VoijaRisa


catzilerella
Captain

PostPosted: Tue Apr 24, 2007 9:58 pm


I see, but what if it happend like twice in a row..?
Is that possible?
PostPosted: Wed Apr 25, 2007 7:17 am


catzilerella
I see, but what if it happend like twice in a row..?
Is that possible?
Possible, but highly unlikely. Major solar flares are usually years apart.

And the effects would pretty much be the same. It could push through, and distort our magnetic field, but given that the magnetic field is created by the dynamo effect, it will just reform itself.

VoijaRisa


Jad-Hoven

PostPosted: Wed Apr 25, 2007 12:19 pm


VoijaRisa
Jad-Hoven
the Carbon Oxygen and Nitrogen is somewhat significant since it can act as a catalyst for some of the nuclear reactions in the sun (pretty insignificant for the sun but important for some stars) http://csep10.phys.utk.edu/astr162/lect/energy/cno.html
The CNO cycle is completely irrelevant for the sun. It only occurs when the temperature is sufficiently high (ie, high enough to imply kinetic energies high enough to breach Columb barriers). The sun is far too cool for this to happen. The sun will only be able to go through the pp chain and the triple alpha process.


I did say it was pretty insignificant for the Sun, but it does occur in it even if it only account for 1=2% of the energy output.

http://csep10.phys.utk.edu/astr162/lect/energy/cno-pp.html

As for the solar maximum question, it depends on what you mean by damage (if you mean long term damage then no the magnetic field would just fix itself as Risa said. But short term ya it could penetrate (at least in part) and cause some damage if it was strong enough.

Just considering how long earth has been around and that we still have a magnetic field is pretty good evidence that unless something changes is a big way the Solar Maximum would not be causing long term damage to our field.
PostPosted: Wed Apr 25, 2007 1:29 pm


Does Mars have a magnetic field?
I remeber reading somewhere about how it has no magnetic field, but it did at one point.

Is it possible for our planet Earth to loss it's magnetic field as well?
Not necessarily due to solar maximums...

Also it was discussed in one of my classes about how the magnetic field is becoming weaker...due to the reversing of poles?

Do you think that could have major impact on life on earth? because for a few instances we would have no Magnetic field while it reinstates itself...

Emily`s_Gone_Mad


Blood_of_odin

PostPosted: Wed Apr 25, 2007 3:08 pm


Emily`s_Gone_Mad
Does Mars have a magnetic field?
I remeber reading somewhere about how it has no magnetic field, but it did at one point.

Is it possible for our planet Earth to loss it's magnetic field as well?
Not necessarily due to solar maximums...

Also it was discussed in one of my classes about how the magnetic field is becoming weaker...due to the reversing of poles?

Do you think that could have major impact on life on earth? because for a few instances we would have no Magnetic field while it reinstates itself...


I don't know about whether or not it has one but it does still have activity beneath the surface I believe. (Don't quote me on that Planetary isn't my strong point)

It can but our core would have to stop spinning. Good luck stopping that.

They are reversing as far as I know but I don't know how. (Like I said planetary isn't my suit) The problem is that no one has seen such a thing. They tell stories of when the atom bomb was created they didn't know what all the effects of it could be. We haven't seen it so for all we think we don't know.

It would have a major impact if it disappeared but as far as I know its not going to disappear and the reappear but move. I don't know the specifics but I don't think its going to disappear.
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