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Posted: Thu Dec 08, 2005 11:00 pm
Kukushka, although we disagree, I very much respect your post, as you managed to disagree on a hot topic WITHOUT insulting me or being insulting to my decisions. I appreciate that, and wish there were more people like that.
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Posted: Fri Dec 09, 2005 4:33 am
Savina Kukushka, although we disagree, I very much respect your post, as you managed to disagree on a hot topic WITHOUT insulting me or being insulting to my decisions. I appreciate that, and wish there were more people like that. Awe, thank you smile Same goes!
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Posted: Tue Jan 24, 2006 11:00 pm
I don't really know the dangers, all I heard was that uncircumcized males have to clean under the skin in case of infection. *shrug* I know little, sorry.
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Posted: Wed Jan 25, 2006 5:06 pm
lol, well even circumcised males have to wash their genitals to prevent infections and such.
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Posted: Wed Jan 25, 2006 8:44 pm
As a mother who chose to circumcise her child and will do the next one she has if it is a boy, I firmly stand by my decision.
I grew up in a family of a non-circ brother and helped take care of my nephew who is also non-circ. I don't think either my parents nor my sister lack good parenting because they didn't teach hygiene. I was there while the boys cried to have the foreskin pulled back as a preschooler. The bottom line is, it depends on the child. Not every kid likes taking baths, staying clean, etc. Some children are more prone to infections. It was painful for them to have it done. I got a lot of flack from my mother for choosing circumcision, but she's eased up. I told her I respected her decision and I think she at least isn't quite as vocal about mine.
I watched a special on Penn and Teller's BS show, it was really interesting. Yes, I agree it's mostly a cosmetic thing, but knowing men can be functional and still enjoy immense sexual pleasure, I didn't feel so bad about it. Although it was interesting, there is actually a way to get your foreskin to grow BACK in an odd sort of way. Pretty interesting.
There are benefits to it. I also did it, and I've gotten flack for saying this, because my husband is circumcised as well. I think that since they bathe a lot, it would be an issue for my son to wonder what's wrong with his at a young age. I, too, come from a family with histories of infections and problems regarding foreskin which later caused removal.
I totally respect anyone decision when it comes to children, but it seems like the non-circumcision proponnets (not saying in here of course) tend to get insulting, cruel, and rude when I mention that.
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Posted: Sat Jan 28, 2006 1:36 pm
If there is a medical history in your family, I'd say circumcision is fine. As I've said, as long as there is an actual REASON for it (beyond "it looks prettier").
I'm confused about the bathing part, though. Men's genitals and children's genitals look absolutly nothing alike, regardless of foreskin.
Btw, there is also a proceedure called an "epispasm" that reverses circumcision. It was extremely popular around the fourth century BCE when the Greeks invaded Israel. They brought gymnasiums with them and the Jewish men were often teased for their "different genitals." A great many of them got epispasms so that they could better fit in. There was a huge uproar within the Jewish community then between those who believed that you could be a Jew AND uncircumcised and those who believed that circumcision is what makes one a Jew.
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Posted: Sun Feb 12, 2006 3:23 am
That's a shame because circumsized p***s is THE BEST!!! I love it! the last 2 partners i have been with were circumsized and it looks so much nicer!!!
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Posted: Wed Jun 14, 2006 11:14 pm
The foreskin has twelve known functions. They are:
1. to cover and bond with the synechia so as to permit the development of the mucosal surface of the glans and inner foreskin. 2. to protect the infant's glans from feces and ammonia in diapers. 3. to protect the glans p***s from friction and abrasion thoughout life. 4. to keep the glans moisturized and soft with emollient oils. 5. to lubricate the glans. 6. to coat the glans with a waxy protective substance. 7. to provide sufficient skin to cover an erection by unfolding. 8. to provide an aid to masturbation and foreplay. 9. to serve as an aid to penetration. 10. to reduce friction and chafing during intercourse. 11. to serve as erogenous tissue because of its rich supply of erogenous receptors. 12. to contact and stimulate the G-spot of the female partner.
I just thought I might throw that out there.
Personally I believe that the child will be happy no matter what the parents choose for him in terms of removal of the foreskin. In fact, the only time I've heard a circumsized male complain about it is with my friend who was circumsized at age 13 because he was too shy to tell his parents about a change in color of the waxy substance secreted by his foreskin and it turned out to be an infection.
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Posted: Thu Jun 15, 2006 12:06 am
I will circumcise my male children for religious reasons (I'm Jewish). I've never been with a guy with an uncircumcised p***s, but both me and my boyfriend enjoy sex, and he's circumcised.
It's a parent's decision, and I think the rabid activists on BOTH sides are quite wrong, you shouldn't villify people for the choice they make on this issue.
Also, near as I can tell, the medical benifits are basically not big enough to make a significant difference unless there's a history of problems in your family. (This comes from actually READING the sources in that absolutely horrible circumcision thread in ED... it's just ranting. Some of the sources aren't bad, though, so take a look. Ignore what the people say, and be careful, a hunk of the sources are VERY biased, but there are a few good ones.)
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Posted: Mon Jun 26, 2006 10:35 pm
Shadowfury Yeah, but a cut p***s is cuter. yeah i dont mean to say im interested in guys but i have to agree i have seen an uncut when i was little (i remember b/c it has scarred me) and i think cut is much better lookign but then again thats just my personal opinion
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Posted: Tue Jun 27, 2006 7:47 am
Nooblet203 Shadowfury Yeah, but a cut p***s is cuter. yeah i dont mean to say im interested in guys but i have to agree i have seen an uncut when i was little (i remember b/c it has scarred me) and i think cut is much better lookign but then again thats just my personal opinion Though making a decision for your child based solely on the PERCIEVED attractiveness, is irresponsible. Period. Honestly the mouth and genitals heal the fastest and best on a human being when they recieve trauma because they are their own little contained systems and generally don't come into contact directly with malicious bacteria. AND even though many guys get a squeamish look on their face at the thought of a circ when they're older if ATTRACTIVENESS is the only reason you are choosing to circ your baby, you should wait and let them make the judgement call on that.
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Posted: Tue Jun 27, 2006 8:07 pm
Niarah Z`Ress INTERWIZZ9000 WHAT IF THEY MESS UP? SLIP WITH THE KNIFE eek Happens all the time, to diffrent levels of extremity. My boyfriend has a scar, as many circumcised men do. And it's true, as Oni pointed out, it was quite common for doctors to mess up, and then in a disgusting and pathetic attemt to fix their mistake, they'd simply do more damage, and attemt to change the child's gender to make it more socially acceptable. This happens not only with botched circumcisions, but when a child is born with slightly deformed genitles. It angers me, I've seen programs of adults reitterating their life experiences. Surgery after surgery, emotional confusion, being forced to take hormone pills to try to force their bodies to conform to what the doctors say it should be. Alot of them have no sexual pleasure as the ones with Clitoris' had them cut off. There are no words to discribe how dispicable I consider such proceedures. Jesus Christ. I'm transgendered, and it really sucks. I mean, I'm too embarrassed to talk about it, and my brothers always wonder why I dress like a guy. I won't get into much detail about the personal agony it causes me, but forcing someone to be the opposite gender because the knife slipped? Holy s**t. Just, goddamn. I'd rather have half a d**k and be a bio-man than taking hormone pills to try to "fit in" to society. It's a really bitter struggle, and I just don't get why a "doctor" would choose to give someone a problem like that. Anyway, other things that really bother me are hermaphrodites. I read that doctors "need" to assign them a gender before the person is allowed to leave the hospital. I think that's wrong. I think a person that is a hermaphrodite should grow up, and decide what gender they are, not be told what gender they are. That's how I believe circumcision should be too--if you want it, have it, but be old enough to make the decision for yourself.
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Posted: Tue Jun 27, 2006 8:34 pm
Savina This thread is full of so much crap it makes my head SPIN! First off, circumcision CAN be undone. There's rings you can apply to stretch out the foreskin to redo it. Just as how a circ can ALSO be done later in life. Both are painful (the second one moreso), but both are also a personal choice. So that arguement is out as if a guy cares enough, he can change himself EITHER way. Granted, you can make it look like the foreskin is still there, but it really isn't. You can't regrow the nerves, or the structures that secrete the waxy material. It might look similar or the same, but it just isn't. It's like reconstructing a breast by inflating a balloon under the pectoral muscle, but while it looks like a breast, it's missing all the receptors and glands that were once there. Yes, a man can have a circumcision during any period of his life, but he can never have it put back on. Savina Now, as far as a botched circ changing the gender? I'm sorry, but this is INSANELY stupid. They're cutting off skin. The WORST that usually happens is they can cut the head, which leaves a scar, or they cut off too much skin, which then has to be stretched. Even IF the head of the p***s is cut off (all of it would NEVER be as they don't even got NEAR the base), you're STILL a man. You STILL have testosterone, testicles, and no breasts. This arguement is moronic. I personally think that's a bunch of bullshit. It still happens (trying to "correct" the gender). Circumcisions ARE botched, and THAT is not debateable. Although the frequency of that happening can't be very high, it's simply not a moronic argument.Savina As far as the risks involved, there's ALWAYS risks in ANY medical procedure, including vaccinations, because there's unknown allergies, and it's just plain unclear as to how a child's system works at that age. If proper care is taken of a circumcision, the risk of infection is VERY low. Just about as much as ANY risk with any open wound. You wash it, clean it, and take care of it, you'll most likely be FINE. I mostly agree, but it's not like a circumcision is a paper cut. If you have surgery, you usually have to take antibiotics for a while, even for getting a tooth pulled, you have to take medication. Even if proper care is exercised, a boy can still get an infection. FACT. Savina As far as female circ goes, there's removal of the labia, which is similar to male circ... it's just removal of extra skin, which provides more direct access to the sensitive parts, and also deals with cleanliness. Actually, wouldn't they remove the clitoral hood as well? If you have a female reproductive tract, you know how sensative the clitorus is. The clitorus is more sensative than the p***s, and consequentially too much stimulation can become quite painful. Personally I don't seen how it deals with cleanlyness, since all you have to do is slip some soap between your legs and wash it off. The only problem you'd have with cleanliness is if you don't wash your junk at all, and then in that scenario, it would be unclean no matter what. The labia also protects the clitorus, and without it, the clitorus can be rubbed easily by undergarments. I don't know if you have a d**k or not, but you've got to have jumped rope sometime and rubbed your c**t raw. I really don't see the point of female circumcision, unless your goal is to hurt the girl. I don't believe that male circumcision has the same effect, but correct me if I'm wrong. But anyway, that's why I believe male circumcision is much more acceptable than female cirumcision.
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Posted: Sat Jul 01, 2006 7:47 am
Mettekka Actually, wouldn't they remove the clitoral hood as well? Here's the thing what is commonly known as "Female circumcision"(and what most people are referring to when they talk about it being horrific) is a process in certain countries (I can only think of African ones I know of off the top of my head) where by much of the labia, and clitoris is removed and then the woman (usually only around 14) is sewed up only leaving a small hole for urination and menstruation. As you can imagine this causes all sorts of problems (largely due to the fact that it's done by tribal "doctors". There is Clitoral hood removal that can actually be done, and is done sometimes by extreme professional piercers/body modification professionals. It does not (as near as I can tell from reading about it) cause any problems with the c**t, which remains protected nestled inside the labia and in fact some women who have electively had it say that it increases their sexual pleasure.
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Posted: Sun Jul 09, 2006 9:50 pm
Im curcumsized I think it works better and they look neater.
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