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Do you belive in magic?
Yes
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No
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PostPosted: Thu Jan 19, 2006 10:28 pm


choirofsteeloranges, did anyone ever tell you that you are a blonde?

Miracles and Magick are mirrors of eachother.
But I think people should just use their brains instead of using supernatural powers. Overabusing God's constant presence with I want this or that, or using Magick just because it's on hand is weak. You your mind and your body.
That sounds like a very unChristian thing to say, but it's really not.
PostPosted: Sun Jan 22, 2006 1:15 pm


It depends what kind of magic. Most magic is just an art of illusion, but I think ealy magic could be possible. I don;t think people could ever do magic, but really isn;t magic just what you call something you can;t explain? People used to think lightning was magic.

Natures_Aphid


Rainbow Phoenix

PostPosted: Sun Aug 13, 2006 10:36 am


...In a young girl's soul. (from title, sorry)

I don't believe in magic really. I do believe in certain ununderstood (I don't think that's a word, but you get it) powers that humans, animals, and the natural world can possess.
PostPosted: Mon Oct 02, 2006 1:25 pm


Magic is the energy that flows through everything and everybody. Everyone can manipulate it if they learn how. And there is no "one right way" to manipulate it.

Wings Akimbo
Crew


Foetus In Fetu

PostPosted: Tue Nov 28, 2006 9:36 am


It helps to define something before asking whether people believe it exists or not. neutral

Personally, I don't see how belief in the 'supernatural' is any more rational than belief in [a] god.
PostPosted: Tue Jan 23, 2007 3:06 pm


I use both kinds, psychological and energetic, to me it is very mundane, but I still believe it to exist, I go by Crowley's definition 'causing change in comformity with will'.

However the second kind I named may not work beyond psychology, in other words the same kind, unless you consider psychokinesis and telepathy, not too sure if these skills actually work.

Fae_Knight


c r o i s

Hygienic Gaian

PostPosted: Sun Feb 18, 2007 6:39 pm


No. My teacher (and I believe this) says that magic is just "a human manipulation of otherworld powers that humans can't control". In other words, it's nothing compared to a miracle. A miracle is something else. Something that God and Jesus can do. 3nodding
PostPosted: Mon Feb 19, 2007 12:01 am


Damaru Merodi
No. My teacher (and I believe this) says that magic is just "a human manipulation of otherworld powers that humans can't control". In other words, it's nothing compared to a miracle. A miracle is something else. Something that God and Jesus can do. 3nodding


Isn't that somewhat of a contradiction? Even is magic is fully human, that doesn't make is not magic. I don't believe miracles are magic, because they were not caused by humans. I feel magic is created by humans.

A Murder of Angels
Captain


Fae_Knight

PostPosted: Mon Feb 19, 2007 11:50 am


I saw a video on youtube, an atheist brought up the dictionary definition of miracle as 'an extremely outstanding or unusual event, thing, or accomplishment', thats what it says in Merriam-Websters High School dictionary, definition #2,
Magick is definatly not miracle, but I do not believe miracles are the work of an omnipotent being either.

I believe that magick can indirectly cause miraculous things to happen. You can fill in the blanks I think.
PostPosted: Mon Feb 19, 2007 1:31 pm


A Murder of Angels
Damaru Merodi
No. My teacher (and I believe this) says that magic is just "a human manipulation of otherworld powers that humans can't control". In other words, it's nothing compared to a miracle. A miracle is something else. Something that God and Jesus can do. 3nodding


Isn't that somewhat of a contradiction? Even is magic is fully human, that doesn't make is not magic. I don't believe miracles are magic, because they were not caused by humans. I feel magic is created by humans.

In other words, magic is just like tarot cards and fortune telling.

c r o i s

Hygienic Gaian


Starlock
Vice Captain

PostPosted: Mon Feb 19, 2007 1:35 pm


There are several different definitions of magic, so it encompasses both what you said, Damaru, and things vastly beyond it. Depends on the definition you're using. Magic can be said to be an intrinsic property residing within all things and that all action and change in itself is magical in a sense. Or it can be defined narrowly as stage illusions and sleight of hand. One of the irritating things about trying to discuss magic is that there is no good standard definition among communities. sweatdrop
PostPosted: Tue Feb 20, 2007 2:56 pm


Damaru Merodi
A Murder of Angels
Damaru Merodi
No. My teacher (and I believe this) says that magic is just "a human manipulation of otherworld powers that humans can't control". In other words, it's nothing compared to a miracle. A miracle is something else. Something that God and Jesus can do. 3nodding


Isn't that somewhat of a contradiction? Even is magic is fully human, that doesn't make is not magic. I don't believe miracles are magic, because they were not caused by humans. I feel magic is created by humans.

In other words, magic is just like tarot cards and fortune telling.


Not exactly. Fortune telling is using your inner "senses" to see, feel, hear, or otherwise reveal the future or past. Magic is using your inner spiritual power to create a change in the world around you. This change may be physical (through non-direct means, obviously) or fully mental.

Aleister Crowley, the most infamous magician of the 20th century says, "Magick is the Science and Art of causing Change to occur in conformity with Will"

The Neo-Pagan and Occultist communities generally agree with this definition.

A Murder of Angels
Captain


Rajan Lifebane

PostPosted: Tue Feb 20, 2007 8:15 pm


To be able to define magic one must first understand what concept of magic that your trying to define in the first place.
the most common understanding of magic is the art of illusion, to be able to trick the eye to see something that is not real for example disappearing card tricks or turning cheese into wine cheese_whine . the magic that i believe we are trying to define is what i like to refer to as the manipulation of energy.
many people believe that god gives us power to be able to do thing that we normally couldn't like save a life or even split an ocean in two, and some think that it is the brain that just "makes stuff happen" or "move on its own" here is my theory: magic put simply is the willing manipulation of existing energies.. here is the dictionary's definition: magic - the manipulation or altering of natural energies to produce a predetermined result. it is the manipulation of these energies and the methods used that raise all of the questions.
using the mind or will power i believe that humans can use and manipulate the active energy in and around our body's, be it changing the energy output of ones muscles or decreasing the mass of and object for a short period to obtain our goal. we use our mind to direct our energy to act on the energy of another object, thus creating a reaction. not unlike any chemical reaction this "energy reaction" can produce any of trillions or results, and it all relies on two things: one. the mind that controlling it. the human must have enough will or knowledge to be able to control his energy instead of letting it flow naturally like it wants to. (along the conduits of our bodies and the natural energy paths of the world)
Two. there must be enough energy present to complete or even begin the desired reaction. a human has in his/her body only a certain amount of energy at any given time it is naturally used for things like moving seeing and interacting with our world and can be replenished with sleep or rest, so to be able to get certain reactions humans must learn to draw from the energy around them and utilize it effectively.
PostPosted: Wed Feb 21, 2007 3:45 am


I do believe in magic and I do believe it works.

xxSweet Star-vation


Lionel Hutz

PostPosted: Sun Mar 18, 2007 5:29 am


Yes, because I can do magic, the real kind and the stuff you see with cards
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