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 Posted: Fri Nov 17, 2006 7:12 pm
Did you? I can't tell whats going on. So are the declensions just little things put on the end of the word, or little conjugations or what? Some examples would be helpfull, or did you puy some already and I just didn't notice?
I'm so confused... sweatdrop
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Posted: Sun Nov 19, 2006 10:43 am
Vajrabhairava Did you? I can't tell whats going on. So are the declensions just little things put on the end of the word, or little conjugations or what? Some examples would be helpfull, or did you puy some already and I just didn't notice? I'm so confused... sweatdrop She set it up like this: GENDER
ends with ___ letters
Nominative - Singular / Plural
Accusative - Singular / Plural
Genitive - Singular / Plural
Dative - Singular / Plural
Instrumental - Singular / Plural
Locative - Singular / Plural Ta-Da~!
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Posted: Sun Nov 19, 2006 8:14 pm
How do you form the accusative case of a name...?
The person is female but the name is masculine according to spelling rules...
Nevermind, I just found it online searching: names follow what it ends like...
So yeah. Did you say that? I don't remember. Anyways, answered my own question.
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Posted: Mon Nov 20, 2006 7:20 am
Maybe this will help to de-confuse poor Vajrabhairava.
Japanese, with its particles, almost has a case system. You know how, when, for instance, one says "私は," the "は" is what makes it the subject of the sentence in question? That means that, by ending with "は,"私" is now in the nominative case. When someone says "私の," however, that makes it have a different aspect of the sentence; the possessive, or genitive. In Russian, this changes depending on how the noun ends; let's say that in Japanese, if a noun ends in "ん," it is no longer "は" but "い" (which is not the case at all, but I'm using it as an example anyways!), whatever was used would still be the subject, it would just use a different particle.
I arranged it roughly like this, depending on the endings:
N: 私は / 私達は
A: 私を / 私達を
G: 私 の/ 私達の
D: 私に / 私達に
I: 私 と/ 私達と
L: 私 で/ 私達で
Keep in mind, these are not exact AT ALL. This table is to give you a very general sense of how these cases work. ^^ Read my previous descriptions to figure out the more exact aspects.
In Russian, the declensions -- the は and を and whatnot, are actually part of the noun. A noun cannot be found without its declension. All of the nouns that I have given you so far have been in the nominative singular case; in other words, the equivalent to 私は.
^^
I hope that that gets rid of any confusion about how the case system works. It's rather hard to understand. >.<
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Eccentric Iconoclast Vice Captain
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Posted: Mon Nov 20, 2006 11:08 am
Okay, putting it in Japanese terms helps. I understood your original description of the declensions just fine, but your chart is what was confusing me. So, is there a specific way of "declenching"? You just add the proper suffix to the word like Japanese, or is it a little conjugation of the end of the word like spaniｓh or french?
アーー！頭が痛い。。。
Maybe if I could read russian better I wouldn't have so much confusion... sweatdrop すみません。
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Posted: Mon Nov 20, 2006 11:43 am
Vajrabhairava Okay, putting it in Japanese terms helps. I understood your original description of the declensions just fine, but your chart is what was confusing me. So, is there a specific way of "declenching"? You just add the proper suffix to the word like Japanese, or is it a little conjugation of the end of the word like spaniｓh or french? アーー！頭が痛い。。。 Maybe if I could read russian better I wouldn't have so much confusion... sweatdrop すみません。 The nominative form of a word is the same as the "dictionary form". So if you look at the nominative and then see what has to change to make teh other cases, then you know what to change on the word. i.e., for a masculine noun ending in the letter L, add an A to make the genitive case. I consider it closer to conjugation than to a suffix, but I don't know exactly how I'd explain that. EI?
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Posted: Mon Nov 20, 2006 11:46 am
Vajrabhairava Okay, putting it in Japanese terms helps. I understood your original description of the declensions just fine, but your chart is what was confusing me. So, is there a specific way of "declenching"? You just add the proper suffix to the word like Japanese, or is it a little conjugation of the end of the word like spaniｓh or french? アーー！頭が痛い。。。 Maybe if I could read russian better I wouldn't have so much confusion... sweatdrop すみません。 In Russian, a word can not be without a declension. They are part of the word, just like water is part of a lake. Without water, a lake would be a crater, and without a declension, a word would be gibberish. wink [/metaphor]
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Posted: Tue Nov 21, 2006 1:20 pm
Eccentric Iconoclast Vajrabhairava Okay, putting it in Japanese terms helps. I understood your original description of the declensions just fine, but your chart is what was confusing me. So, is there a specific way of "declenching"? You just add the proper suffix to the word like Japanese, or is it a little conjugation of the end of the word like spaniｓh or french? アーー！頭が痛い。。。 Maybe if I could read russian better I wouldn't have so much confusion... sweatdrop すみません。 In Russian, a word can not be without a declension. They are part of the word, just like water is part of a lake. Without water, a lake would be a crater, and without a declension, a word would be gibberish. wink [/metaphor] ,my russian dictionary has the word gibberish in it
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Posted: Tue Nov 21, 2006 5:36 pm
Mine does too. "Тарабарщина" FTW!
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Posted: Tue Nov 21, 2006 7:11 pm
Eccentric Iconoclast Mine does too. "Тарабарщина" FTW! ftw? don't ya mean WTF?
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Posted: Tue Nov 21, 2006 7:29 pm
Kokoroki Eccentric Iconoclast Mine does too. "Тарабарщина" FTW! ftw? don't ya mean WTF? yeah, the first time I saw FTW I thought, "******** the what??" But then I realised... FOR THE WIN!!!! rolleyes I hate it when they abbreviate it like that; it's just tarabarschina to me razz [nominative case in that spot, right? Predicate Nominative, they called it.]
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Posted: Wed Nov 22, 2006 6:50 am
Forgedawn Kokoroki Eccentric Iconoclast Mine does too. "Тарабарщина" FTW! ftw? don't ya mean WTF? yeah, the first time I saw FTW I thought, "******** the what??" But then I realised... FOR THE WIN!!!! rolleyes I hate it when they abbreviate it like that; it's just tarabarschina to me razz [nominative case in that spot, right? Predicate Nominative, they called it.] It used to make me confused, but I've gotten into the habit of using it. sweatdrop Yeah, when used with the copula the accusative becomes the nominative. 3nodding Of course, тарабарщина usually does make people go WTF. mad D
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Posted: Thu Nov 23, 2006 11:45 pm
Eccentric Iconoclast Forgedawn Kokoroki Eccentric Iconoclast Mine does too. "Тарабарщина" FTW! ftw? don't ya mean WTF? yeah, the first time I saw FTW I thought, "******** the what??" But then I realised... FOR THE WIN!!!! rolleyes I hate it when they abbreviate it like that; it's just tarabarschina to me razz [nominative case in that spot, right? Predicate Nominative, they called it.] It used to make me confused, but I've gotten into the habit of using it. sweatdrop Yeah, when used with the copula the accusative becomes the nominative. 3nodding Of course, тарабарщина usually does make people go WTF. mad D da!
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Posted: Fri Nov 24, 2006 8:38 am
I went back to my old high school the other night to see them perform The ODD Couple (female version, which I've never seen).
They got to this part where Florence (fem. Felix) was talking about her husband...
"...and he's learning Russian, so he doesn't say yes, he just goes around saying DA!..."
So he's a short, bald, Russian cowboy, I think is how they summed him up. Twas amusing.
My roommate and I just turned,looked at each other, and laughed when they got to the line. pirate
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