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 Posted: Sun Aug 06, 2006 6:38 pm
I()Wear()Black I.Am o.O There's nothing wrong with propoganda. Everyone does it. When the Pro-Choice side says, "Keep your morals off my body!" That's propoganda. When the Pro-Life side says, "Abortion stops a beating heart." That's propoganda. But there's nothing wrong with either one, as long as they aren't using falsities or misinformation. When I personally think of propaganda, I think of false and misleading advertisement. Not just plain advertisement. Excuse me if my connotation is confusing you that way, but that's always been what I refer to with the word. ...So it's okay when you use a colloqialism that says that propoganda means specifically bad propoganda, but if I say that a fetus is a child, a technically correct term, that's a bad thing? Also, I didn't realize I was going to have to quote myself for you, I thought you could go back one page and read it for yourself. Actually it was on the first page youposted on. How can you not have read it? I.Am Merriam-Webster's Medical Dictionary, 2002 Edition Main Entry: child Pronunciation: 'chI(&)ld Function: noun Inflected Form: plural chil·dren /'chil-dr&n, -d&rn/ 1 : an unborn or recently born person 2 : a young person especially between infancy and youth —with child : PREGNANT What's your source? And, from what I can tell, the only "visible" source that you gave was the Wikipedia page that I quoted, and that you yourself said is not a valid source. Personally, I don't think there's anything wrong with using Wikipedia, in general, it's an excellent source. But when comparing against every single dictionary I have ever read, and every dictionary sourced by Dictionary.com... You have to consider the fact that Wikipedia is not exactly a professional site.
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Posted: Sun Aug 06, 2006 6:58 pm
And in case that's not enough for you, The American Heritage® Stedman's Medical Dictionary child (chld) n. A person between birth and puberty. An unborn infant; a fetus. An infant; a baby. One who is childish or immature. A son or daughter; an offspring.
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Posted: Sun Aug 06, 2006 9:29 pm
I.Am ...So it's okay when you use a colloqialism that says that propoganda means specifically bad propoganda, but if I say that a fetus is a child, a technically correct term, that's a bad thing? The difference being that I admitted that it was a personal preference which does in fact go against the actual definition of propaganda, while every single on of you is treating it like a universal. So yeah, it's ******** okay. Quote: Also, I didn't realize I was going to have to quote myself for you, I thought you could go back one page and read it for yourself. Actually it was on the first page youposted on. How can you not have read it? I already read it. You can pretend like you got it from that dictionary, but in reality you went to dictionary.com. In which case; prove that the definition presented isn't a colloquialism in it's context and that it is intended as a classification. Quote: And, from what I can tell, the only "visible" source that you gave was the Wikipedia page that I quoted, and that you yourself said is not a valid source. Personally, I don't think there's anything wrong with using Wikipedia, in general, it's an excellent source. But when comparing against every single dictionary I have ever read, and every dictionary sourced by Dictionary.com... You have to consider the fact that Wikipedia is not exactly a professional site. Dude, if you're going to say it's in EVERY dictionary you've ever read, then thank you for choosing the definitions selectively so you could further your own means. You're still not fundamentally proving that the dictionaries' definitions of children as a fetus is nothing more than a slang way of saying a woman is pregnant. You are proving nothing, and this is starting to get irritating. Why don't you find an actual source for the situation, like an encyclopedia? I.Am And in case that's not enough for you, The American Heritage® Stedman's Medical Dictionary child (chld) n. A person between birth and puberty. An unborn infant; a fetus. An infant; a baby. One who is childish or immature. A son or daughter; an offspring. Which is the colloquialism and which is the actual classification? Only serves to dance around the problem.
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Posted: Sun Aug 06, 2006 9:48 pm
I()Wear()Black I.Am ...So it's okay when you use a colloqialism that says that propoganda means specifically bad propoganda, but if I say that a fetus is a child, a technically correct term, that's a bad thing? The difference being that I admitted that it was a personal preference which does in fact go against the actual definition of propaganda, while every single on of you is treating it like a universal. So yeah, it's ******** okay. Why? Why is it that a definition that is in the dictionary, almost every dictionary, is unacceptable to use because it's colloqialism, but one definition that you give, which isn't included in any dictionary because it actually only refers to the bad half of the same word, is fine? Quote: Quote: Also, I didn't realize I was going to have to quote myself for you, I thought you could go back one page and read it for yourself. Actually it was on the first page youposted on. How can you not have read it? I already read it. You can pretend like you got it from that dictionary, but in reality you went to dictionary.com. In which case; prove that the definition presented isn't a colloquialism in it's context and that it is intended as a classification. Nah, I wouldn't lie. But who, but you, cares? It's from that dictionary. Does it matter if I use dictionary.com or if I have the actual physical dictionary lying next to me? They both would say the same damn thing. In the morning, I'll ask my mom if she still has a medical dictionary, and I'll get you a definition from a medical dictionary. Quote: Quote: And, from what I can tell, the only "visible" source that you gave was the Wikipedia page that I quoted, and that you yourself said is not a valid source. Personally, I don't think there's anything wrong with using Wikipedia, in general, it's an excellent source. But when comparing against every single dictionary I have ever read, and every dictionary sourced by Dictionary.com... You have to consider the fact that Wikipedia is not exactly a professional site. Dude, if you're going to say it's in EVERY dictionary you've ever read, then thank you for choosing the definitions selectively so you could further your own means. You're still not fundamentally proving that the dictionaries' definitions of children as a fetus is nothing more than a slang way of saying a woman is pregnant. Actually, Wikipedia is not a dictionary. And even then, there is a case to be made for it supporting my side: Wikipedia The term "child" is also a counterpart of parent The example is then given that an adult is still the child of the parent, but it could just as easily work the other way around. And when dictionaries have slang, they describe it as slang. The entry for "child" does not say slang anywhere in any of the dictionary entries at dictionary.com, so it is not slang. At least not anymore. To show you: The American Heritage® Dictionary of the English Language, Fourth Edition yo Audio pronunciation of "yo" ( P ) Pronunciation Key (y) interj. Slang Used as a greeting or to attract someone's attention. The American Heritage® Dictionary of the English Language, Fourth Edition kid Audio pronunciation of "kid" ( P ) Pronunciation Key (kd) n. 1. 1. A young goat. 2. The young of a similar animal, such as an antelope. 2. 1. The flesh of a young goat. 2. Leather made from the skin of a young goat; kidskin. 3. An article made from this leather. 3. Informal. 1. A child. 2. A young person. 4. Slang. Pal. Used as a term of familiar address, especially for a young person: Hi, kid! What's up? Now Child, in the same dictionary: The American Heritage® Dictionary of the English Language, Fourth Edition child Audio pronunciation of "child" ( P ) Pronunciation Key (chld) n. pl. chil·dren (chldrn) 1. A person between birth and puberty. 2. 1. An unborn infant; a fetus. 2. An infant; a baby. 3. One who is childish or immature. 4. A son or daughter; an offspring. 5. A member of a tribe; descendant: children of Abraham. 6. 1. An individual regarded as strongly affected by another or by a specified time, place, or circumstance: a child of nature; a child of the Sixties. 2. A product or result of something specified: “Times Square is a child of the 20th century” (Richard F. Shepard). Idiom: with child Pregnant. So they don't consider it to be slang. And, considering that it's their job to decide these things and, unless I'm mistaken, you're not, I'd consider my point proven. Quote: You are proving nothing, and this is starting to get irritating. Why don't you find an actualsource, like an encyclopedia? I.Am And in case that's not enough for you, The American Heritage® Stedman's Medical Dictionary child (chld) n. A person between birth and puberty. An unborn infant; a fetus. An infant; a baby. One who is childish or immature. A son or daughter; an offspring. Which is the colloquialism and which is the actual classification? Only serves to dance around the problem. The only problem is that you get your panties in a bunch about a term which is technically correct because you don't want it to be.
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Posted: Sun Aug 06, 2006 9:48 pm
You are becoming increaingly insulting Black. If you wish to remain that way then kindly take your leave. Your in our guild. We don't have to see things form your point of view here. This guild is not for you to come in and tell us your take on things and then expect us to accept it. Now, speakign in relation to the parents, the fetu sis in fact a child. And if you need a source that isn't dictionary.com, here you go. Quote: Main Entry: child Pronunciation: 'chI(-&)ld Function: noun Inflected Form(s): plural chil·dren /'chil-dr&n, -d&rn/ Usage: often attributive Etymology: Middle English, from Old English cild; akin to Gothic kilthei womb, and perhaps to Sanskrit jathara belly 1 a : an unborn or recently born person b dialect : a female infant 2 a : a young person especially between infancy and youth b : a childlike or childish person c : a person not yet of age 3 usually childe /'chI(-&)ld/ archaic : a youth of noble birth 4 a : a son or daughter of human parents b : DESCENDANT 5 : one strongly influenced by another or by a place or state of affairs 6 : PRODUCT, RESULT
- child·less /'chI(-&)l(d)-l&s/ adjective
- child·less·ness noun
- with child : PREGNANT
See physician-reviewed articles on child on Healthline.
1. Bodily Changes During Pregnancy (1 image) (Trust Mark: Doctor-Reviewed)
Pregnant women and hormonal changes. Learn more about hor...
Visually explore child HealthMaps on Healthline.
1. Pregnancy OverviewMedicle dictionary? Quote: 5 Words Found. To view an entry in the list, highlight it and click on GO TO. childbattered child syndromechild guidancechild psychiatrychild psychology Main Entry: child Pronunciation: 'chI(&)ld Function: noun Inflected Form(s): plural chil·dren /'chil-dr&n, -d&rn/ 1 : an unborn or recently born person 2 : a young person especially between infancy and youth - with child : PREGNANT
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Posted: Mon Aug 07, 2006 6:26 am
Quote: Why? Why is it that a definition that is in the dictionary, almost every dictionary, is unacceptable to use because it's colloqialism, but one definition that you give, which isn't included in any dictionary because it actually only refers to the bad half of the same word, is fine? The... bad half? I'm trying to prove that the bad half is the only acceptable scientific classification of a child, while you're trying to prove that it envelopes unborn children. The reasoning for my situation is that you're basing your side on colloquialism. I.Am Nah, I wouldn't lie. But who, but you, cares? It's from that dictionary. Does it matter if I use dictionary.com or if I have the actual physical dictionary lying next to me? They both would say the same damn thing. In the morning, I'll ask my mom if she still has a medical dictionary, and I'll get you a definition from a medical dictionary. I know that I already said somewhere that I'm tired of dictionaries as a source, and I want a source which clearly shows that "An embryo/zygote/fetus is classified as a child." I know that sounds picky, but encyclopedias > dictionaries. Quote: Actually, Wikipedia is not a dictionary. And even then, there is a case to be made for it supporting my side: Wikipedia The term "child" is also a counterpart of parent The example is then given that an adult is still the child of the parent, but it could just as easily work the other way around. And when dictionaries have slang, they describe it as slang. The entry for "child" does not say slang anywhere in any of the dictionary entries at dictionary.com, so it is not slang. At least not anymore. To show you: Nope. I'm refering to colloquialisms when I say slang. Don't you remember? Perhaps I should provide an example of what I mean by once again using the analogy of "humans are not animals". Quote: an·i·mal ( P ) Pronunciation Key (n-ml) n. A multicellular organism of the kingdom Animalia, differing from plants in certain typical characteristics such as capacity for locomotion, nonphotosynthetic metabolism, pronounced response to stimuli, restricted growth, and fixed bodily structure. An animal organism other than a human, especially a mammal. A person who behaves in a bestial or brutish manner. A human considered with respect to his or her physical, as opposed to spiritual, nature. A person having a specified aptitude or set of interests: “that rarest of musical animals, an instrumentalist who is as comfortable on a podium with a stick as he is playing his instrument” (Lon Tuck). None of these say they are slang. Even though I've said slang a few times, I've been saying colloquialism throughout the entire time. To make the analogy valid, you saying that a fetus is a child is the equivalent of me saying that a person who behaves in a bestial or brutish manner is literaly an animal, while someone who doesn't is literally not an animal. Or, I could say that because the dictionary says "a non-human animal", that humans are not classified as animals scientifically. Neither make sense. Are we on the same page still? I'm also aware that wikipedia is not a dictionary. I figured that out months ago. Wikipedia is an encyclopedia, which is why I accept that as a source. I'm not one of the people that thinks wikipedia is a terrible source just because anyone can edit it. Quote: So they don't consider it to be slang. And, considering that it's their job to decide these things and, unless I'm mistaken, you're not, I'd consider my point proven. Nope. Quote: And in case that's not enough for you, The American Heritage® Stedman's Medical Dictionary child (chld) n. A person between birth and puberty. An unborn infant; a fetus. An infant; a baby. One who is childish or immature. A son or daughter; an offspring. Which is the colloquialism and which is the actual classification? Only serves to dance around the problem.The only problem is that you get your panties in a bunch about a term which is technically correct because you don't want it to be.It has nothing to do with not wanting it to be correct, I just want the answer to this problem. You're not providing it. But don't worry, pro-choicers aren't either. I'm trying to find a non-biased source which will, but I'm beginnning to think that's impossible because medical opinion is split completely in half on the subject; so, I think I'm about to quit researching it. Pyrotechnic Oracle You are becoming increaingly insulting Black. If you wish to remain that way then kindly take your leave. Your in our guild. We don't have to see things form your point of view here. This guild is not for you to come in and tell us your take on things and then expect us to accept it. Now, speakign in relation to the parents, the fetu sis in fact a child. And if you need a source that isn't dictionary.com, here you go. You've posted nothing different from I.Am. How am I becoming increasingly insulting...? Becuase I said the word "********"? It's not like I said "I.Am, you are ******** ugly", I've been controlling my temper a lot better than I have in the past.
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Posted: Mon Aug 07, 2006 7:06 am
i would have to say that pro-choice is the more deceptive side though. i ntocie they speak of "rights" and "freedom" and "respecting women", which we lifers agree with. they rarely mention the actual event of abortion. they never mention how 95% of abortions are soley for convenience. their stance is for allowing the death of the unborn to continue, wrapped in a faccade of choice. our stance is to stop the killing of the unborn. but, ours is more pure, i find. we are fighting to protect lives, while they fight to protect convenience at the cost of lives. thus, they have more to hide, less to fight for, so they have to throw something bigger in front of it. we, not so much. it's all for the life, no faccades, no brainwashings of "liberty" or "bodily integrity"
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Posted: Mon Aug 07, 2006 9:21 am
You are becomign insulting because of your steadly increasing arrogant comments and sarcasm and patranisations. If you continue I'll see to it that a mod asks you to leave. Actualy, no its not. You saying that some one behaving in a beatial manner is an animal would be a metaphore. That person is actign like an animal. If colloquial means :1 : of or relating to conversation : CONVERSATIONAL 2 a : used in or characteristic of familiar and informal conversation; also : unacceptably informal b : using conversational style. The the colloquialism thre is most obviously "One who is childish or immature" And, yes, actualy, I did post somethign diffrent. I posted both an actualy dictionary's definition along with that of a medical dictionary. Something I.Am has only done one of. You wernt willing to accept dictionary.com, so I used a diffrent one that is well knonw for havigits definitions right. I then went and dug up a medical dictionary for you. Somethign I.Am hasn't done yet. Quite honostly, you havn't proven how it IS colloquial, only given us your opinoins as though they are fact. We've given you one definition of a term that is found in just about every english dictionary and your not accpeting it. The only reason we see since you can't prove how its colloquial is because oyu don't agree with the definiton. You want an encyclopedia? ALl right. Child Developmet You'll find that the pre-natal stages of zygote, embryo, and fetus are included in the page sof child development. I haveto wonder why they would include such a thing unless they considered the fetus and embryo to be part of the definition of "child" Uh, hey, an exact quote in the prental developmetn section "However, hazards to prenatal development can be reduced through the mother’s conscientious care of herself and her developing child." Your arguing that you can't call a fetus a child, we're arguing that you can. If encarta is not good enough for you, heres another one that gives exact definitions from Random House Dictionaries that give examples of how the definitions are used. http://www.infoplease.com/ipd/A0370837.htmlIf its still not diffrent then please proove to us who the definition of a child being an infant or unborn child is colloquial. I'm afraid Britanica and World book (the two leading online encyclopedias) are pay. I have a library right next door though, I can see what their britanica series says.
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Posted: Mon Aug 07, 2006 10:15 am
At this point, I want to step in and say: Please don't debate in my thread any further.
If y'all want to go to the ED and debate terms, that is wonderful. But that wasn't the intention of this thread.
Once a verdict is reached, I'll make the appropriate changes, but please, take the debate elsewhere.
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Posted: Mon Aug 07, 2006 5:53 pm
*Florishes* Ah-hah! Well... I recall a while ago someone asked me for a source... HERE!That's just replying to a reply a while ago.. sweatdrop I don't wanna renew an arguement or whatever...
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Posted: Wed Aug 09, 2006 9:21 am
Definitions in medical disctionaries are diffrent then definitions given in langagedisctionaries. One tells you the meaning of a word as it applies to medical treatment, the other tell you the meaning of the word as it applies to the language its self. You can't really use a medical dictionary if your talking about the usage of a word in the langauge, you can if its medicine.
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Posted: Wed Aug 09, 2006 9:32 am
in short, as it would be said in super smash brothers, "FAILURE"
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Posted: Wed Aug 09, 2006 8:51 pm
Pyrotechnic Oracle Definitions in medical disctionaries are diffrent then definitions given in langagedisctionaries. One tells you the meaning of a word as it applies to medical treatment, the other tell you the meaning of the word as it applies to the language its self. You can't really use a medical dictionary if your talking about the usage of a word in the langauge, you can if its medicine. Naw, I'm talking about in medicine. I normally don't argue in moral and stuff because everyone's morals are different. wink
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Posted: Wed Aug 09, 2006 11:34 pm
well then of course the fetus isn't a child. Hell, no one is a child in medicine.
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Posted: Fri Aug 11, 2006 12:03 am
Unless if you're from 6-12 years of age that is!
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