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Edelsteine
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PostPosted: Fri Sep 19, 2008 10:34 am


SkieBorne
Question!

I was just wondering what sorts of abilities Aoidei have. Can then possibly compel or skry? That sort of thing. Or do they not possess any special abilities?


That is answered in the Aoide sticky here in the guild:
The mouths of their gods to the mortal followers.
They can fly, clean, cook and sing. They have no immediate powers themselves, save immunity to death by passage of time.



That is the basic answer. The expanded answer is that yes, the Aoide can be granted powers from their masters, or be granted powers from other gods as gifts. This process should be submitted to GM for approval and review, and should not be attempted until the God is 'reborn' to themselves: Youth Stage minimum.

The hard and fast rule is that only special Aoide, 1-shots, have any really exceptional strength or powers. So far, only the Aoide of this sort that I know to have been officially released are the three special Halloween aoide. Xedre is also of this sort, along with Endenis once she is fully restored.
PostPosted: Fri Jan 13, 2012 4:28 pm


HEADS UP

In accordance with the rules posted on the front page :


# Revisions may and likely will be made to this pet throughout the evolution of the game. All characters and places are subject to such changes, unless otherwise given leeway by Ivynian.

# This game/store/pet was made in the spirit of fun, for the players and the GM.


I've been in discussion with my lovely resident Uber-manager, Syrie about the shop. Primarily on my mind has been how to spark activity, because a roleplay game where few are actually roleplaying is not much fun for the players or the DM.

There have been moves made here and there to get new blood in, with varying success, so I've been picking her brain for further things to do. Much focus is on what might be intimidating about Edel that keeps players from being willing to enter. One of the primary factors that keeps coming up is the Tally system.

It was designed to reward players who wanted to put extra effort in writing, but with so many players anymore, and the lack of RP managers making getting a Tally from me like waiting for an on-time train in the London Underground....Well, its an understandable element of Confusion and Intimidation. I've decided that the evolution system needs to be revised to be simpler, tally-able by the players themselves for ease of clear goals and speed, and to clear up confusion.

All that said, here is a chance to give some feedback! You can give feedback on the Tally system, and even your opinions or concerns on any other design aspect of the shop. Edel has been around for YEARS which means that revisions aren’t unheard of in order to streamline and unclutter things.


Here is the revision as it stands:

Quote:

Jewel to Morph
30 rps.
Split between Joint and Solo either even 15-15 or weighted 10-20 either way.
In all writing, please pay attention to vocabulary, grammar, the elements of style: fluency, register, sentence length, sentence variety, tone and logical character development.
A Solo rp has to be a completed scene of at least 500 words. Up to an including 1000 words still counts for only 1 rp. 1001+ counts for two. You cannot count a single scene for more than 2, even if it is 3000 words, though that’s probably a nice piece of storytelling.
A joint rp is a storytelling scene between more than one person. Any number above one. It can be two people, three people, twenty, whatever. But each party has to contribute more than two posts, and at least 500 words for it to count towards requirements. More than two posts, 500+ words. The scene has to have a definite ending as well, closing the rp.

Morph to Youth
80 rps (so 50 more from when your character evolved to Morph, a base of 40,000 words – that’s less than a NaNoWriMo about your character’s development and rebirth as a god)
Split between Joint and Solo either even 40-40 or weighted 30-50 either way.

Youth to Deity
This stage is not a requisite to the pet or story, and is meant as a reward to those who truly love and are dedicated to the plot and setting of Edelsteine. As such, the requirements may look intimidating, but are actually simple to achieve with dedication and consistent activity. These are Rare, and are entirely original art. The final and rarest stage of the Edelsteine achieved through requirements. The powers of this stage will be listed on the cert next to the fully individual art of the character. At this stage, a player may pursue building their Temple.
-It is not a necessary stage of development, however if achieved the deity is at full strength. They can influence the world in major way. (please not this doesn't give any player the right to kill another player's character without consent.)
180 rps (so 100 more than when your character evolved to Youth, just under two NaNoWriMo developing this character by yourself and with others)


Other Stages:
Interacting with NPCs during MetaEvents can result in extra art, whether it be unique stage art, unique extra portraits, or otherwise. These are awarded on a case to case and GM/DM determination only. They are meant as rewards for participation and to encourage excitement in the story and development, for good or ill, of the characters played.


Edelsteine
Captain


Meepfur

PostPosted: Fri Jan 13, 2012 4:58 pm


Yaaay, things. 4laugh

I very much like that reqs would be simplified, resulting in less fretting/guessing. It is still somewhat intimidating, though, especially when taking into account that it can be difficult to find RP (more difficult than it used to be, I think). I suppose we could theoretically solo out the difference, but for me that sort of defeats the purpose - playing with other people is infinitely more fun! Solos are like homework for me, lol.

I know deity is supposed to be Rare and Awesome, but I think it may also be one of the intimidation factors. It takes years. Maybe being completely objective/tally-based isn't necessarily the way to go, at least for deity. Perhaps there could be a look at the character itself, what they've done, player effort, etc.?

I do think Works of Glory were intimidating, or were for me, as someone who cannot art...or even write really glorious things. XD
PostPosted: Fri Jan 13, 2012 5:05 pm


I like this!

I guess the only question is, say if these requirements go into play now, and we have solos that may be less than 500, can we add them with others that may not be enough words? Or will this come into play from a certain date, and then anything prior to that date would be treated like the old tally system?

Hope that makes sense. P:


Vesale


King Kitten


Sosiqui

Enduring Muse

PostPosted: Fri Jan 13, 2012 5:09 pm


I like simplified requirements! The only other shop I RP in anymore has fairly simple self-tally rules that seem to work really well for the playerbase. I honestly don't have an opinion on the number of points needed for 'leveling up' so to speak, other than that Meep's thought of RP being slightly more difficult to get has merit...
PostPosted: Fri Jan 13, 2012 5:10 pm


Eternal Newbie
/waves at romeo
Hello fellow newbie, let's be new together XD

Thanks, Meepfur! That would be pretty cool o3o a lot of the entries in this contest were fun to read!

Concerning the requirements.../not sure if response should go here but
My opinion may not be as helpful as someone who's been here a while, but they look good to me! Getting rid of the "works of glory" and "followers" requirements make me a little sad, as they're flavorful and play into the themes of being a deity, but it makes sense that they could cause more harm than help.

The one thing that stands out are the references to NaMoWriMo...they just confuse me a little.

Also Confusion and Intimidation sound like awesome deities. /not helpful


I totally did not notice that I'd omitted the works of glory and followers. Good to bring up on whether they will persist or not, of which I'm not sure whether they should or shouldn't.

I personally LIKE both, though in administrating all the rest, keeping up with plushie lists is a bane
People can give their opinions on these aspects and I'll see whether they stay or go.

Imma cross post this in the guild thread there too to keep things all accounted for an tidy

Edelsteine
Captain


Edelsteine
Captain

PostPosted: Fri Jan 13, 2012 5:13 pm


romeo wilco
I was always kind of wary of the followers and works of glory requirement. But I'm glad to see a more comprehensive and self-sustaining system go up, since the former system did look like a lot of tally work.

/high five for Eternal Newbie!!
Most people call me Roma, though. surprised

NaNo's just a 50,000 word contest thing that happens in November. Basically you have to write two novels to get to Youth/Deity/whichever stage that was oops what a derp

Um... I DON'T WANNA BE EATED MEEP HAVE MERCY D:
PostPosted: Fri Jan 13, 2012 5:17 pm


I love follower plushies and the concept, but I agree that the lists can be challenging to maintain fo'sho... I just love the chibi plushies really. All the chibi gods.

Works of Glory are... neat in concept challenging in execution? I ended up seriously grasping at straws for Tian Yue's, and honestly not being able to think of good WoG for Illumin and Phaedra is part of what's slowing me moving them towards deity. >.>; Maybe cut down the number of them required to like... idk, two? ~o_o~


Unrelated suggestion: one thing that might help newbies, different from the status quo though it may be, is to start making all RP in the guild instead of in Breedables RP. The vast majority of RP shops now use their guilds for RP, and it does collect everything in one easy to track place that's fully under shop control. I've actually been toying with the idea of moving my Edel's journals to the guild, even. (WITH ALL THE FREE TIME I HAVE, RIGHT?! XD)

Not saying OMG EVERYONE MOVE YOUR JOURNALS BY SHOP REQUIREMENT or something because that would be crazed. But perhaps encouraging new RP from now on to go in the guild would be good?

Sosiqui

Enduring Muse


Edelsteine
Captain

PostPosted: Fri Jan 13, 2012 5:19 pm


romeo wilco
Thinking about it... Maybe you could sub followers/works of glory for a certain amount of RP each? Sort of like a growth points thing, or something. The thing that always made me so wary about them is a combination of chronic personal insecurity and I'm generally poor on-Gaia and off. My understanding of Works of Glory is that they have to be stories or artwork or poems about your Edel produced by others, right? =(

I think I will ponder a quest on my way home tonight = n=

Okay, Meep, if you're just sampling = o=
PostPosted: Fri Jan 13, 2012 5:24 pm


/nods at all this lovely discussion

sosiqui

Unrelated suggestion: one thing that might help newbies, different from the status quo though it may be, is to start making all RP in the guild instead of in Breedables RP. The vast majority of RP shops now use their guilds for RP, and it does collect everything in one easy to track place that's fully under shop control. I've actually been toying with the idea of moving my Edel's journals to the guild, even. (WITH ALL THE FREE TIME I HAVE, RIGHT?! XD)

Not saying OMG EVERYONE MOVE YOUR JOURNALS BY SHOP REQUIREMENT or something because that would be crazed. But perhaps encouraging new RP from now on to go in the guild would be good?



The Player Forum //...Journals, Events, Etc. and Stories and Their Telling //... [RP archives, logs, etc ] have been around for a long while and no one really has used them, so I'm not sure what to do about ' encouraging' people? Short of just making all new edel journals there myself since I have always been the one making the first post. That need not remain the case though, if things become guild driven.

Edelsteine
Captain


Sosiqui

Enduring Muse

PostPosted: Fri Jan 13, 2012 5:32 pm


Ivynian
/nods at all this lovely discussion

sosiqui

Unrelated suggestion: one thing that might help newbies, different from the status quo though it may be, is to start making all RP in the guild instead of in Breedables RP. The vast majority of RP shops now use their guilds for RP, and it does collect everything in one easy to track place that's fully under shop control. I've actually been toying with the idea of moving my Edel's journals to the guild, even. (WITH ALL THE FREE TIME I HAVE, RIGHT?! XD)

Not saying OMG EVERYONE MOVE YOUR JOURNALS BY SHOP REQUIREMENT or something because that would be crazed. But perhaps encouraging new RP from now on to go in the guild would be good?



The Player Forum //...Journals, Events, Etc. and Stories and Their Telling //... [RP archives, logs, etc ] have been around for a long while and no one really has used them, so I'm not sure what to do about ' encouraging' people? Short of just making all new edel journals there myself since I have always been the one making the first post. That need not remain the case though, if things become guild driven.


Maybe ask if people would mind putting new RPs in the guild from now on, and if there's no objection make it a requirement? C: I think most of us also RP in other shops that are guild-driven and have become very used to it.

If that happens, perhaps also create new Edel journals in the guild as well - just for new characters, though. I'd say old characters could do as they'd like, either maintaining their old journals, starting a new one in the guild and just linking back to the old one as an archive, or reposting everything in the guild.
PostPosted: Fri Jan 13, 2012 5:57 pm


On Works of glory and Commissions -

These have been noted that they don't have to be OMG amazing, just proof of effort. And for the commissions, its been noted they don't have to be expensive.

Is there a reason everyone is still intimidated, even when a painted macaroni picture would be acceptable? How could this be made less intimidating?

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ALSO....it only applies to the Deity evolution....which SHOULD be intimidating in a way. It was an elite evolution, never meant to be achieved by all players. It has been noted many times on that aspect, that it was just to be a reward for dedication.

I try not to base decisions on yoinking ideas from other shops entirely, but as risk of giving examples - take In the Name of the Moon... the fourth stage royals are pretty accepted there as just a reward for dedication. There are plenty of shops, other than Moonshop, that also follow the recipe of an rp-only reward 'final' stage. Why is it different in assumption at edel? The why's are important to me as far as how to make write ups clear and concise for whatever the decision ends up being.

And especially on that note, of whether the deity stage is taken by everyone to be meant to be achieved by all characters, do players WANT the fourth stage to be available to everyone always? Should there be a different reward for proven dedication to the plot/shop? If so what? A fifth stage? Some other perk? Ideas would be welcome if the answer is yes. If the answer is no, what is your reasoning for that?

Edelsteine
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A Wandering Esper

Beloved Stargazer

PostPosted: Fri Jan 13, 2012 6:02 pm


Sup. Im gonna idea vomit and hope it strings coherently. <<; Having rolfstomped the old tally system to hell and back I do indeed have ideas to share, rolf.

I like the new numbers, really. I don't think any of us have anywhere near as much time as we did back when the shop started (heavens know I don't) and I do admit that sometimes trying to get the reqs done feels like trying to scale Mt.Everest. - it's very easy to get a little disheartened when it feels like you can't reach the end, especially since Edel isn't the most active shop around. Meep does have a point that rp is harder to get than it used to.

The fact that the numbers are set aside for 1k words in a solo making two solos is also something I like. Im not the best writer, and I did sometime feel discouraged by the fact I sometimes barely scraped by requirements while seeing others just ripping through them with much less writing than me, but that's more a personal gripe than anything else. I have no idea if I am the only person who has felt this way, but it might be something that could be disheartening to a new player, or something others have felt.

I like the slightly longer gem to morph reqs. I've never had too much issues getting a gem to morph, but getting a morph to youth can be a struggle depending on the character. The jump in reqs from morph to youth always felt massive to me - I think this will help balance it out a lot.

The edel I feel like I have the most trouble getting anywhere with is actually Akakios. He's often the hardest for me to write for that reason. He's been a kid for three years now, and im far from the slowest rper (Usually. Sush.) and child stages tend to be rather short in breedables. I understand wanting to have them be on par with the normal edel youth reqs, but... I dunno. It feels long to me, and I don't feel like im making headways in the reqs most of time. Doesn't stop me from writing and enjoying him, but it might be something that might turn people off getting an edel from a breeding. Maybe tack them with the morph>youth reqs ? Or maybe with the new reqs it wouldn't be so bad. I don't know. This is highly damn specific given that there are only 7 kids in the whole shop but there you go. XD

(I totally want to see more breedings, too. Hint hint. *cough*)

I like the plushie system. Maybe make the players responsible for keeping tracks of their plushie counts and the handing of them out ? Most people buy them in bulk to hand them out, as far as I've seen, and it would be one less thing for you to keep up with. That's what I do with mine and I've never have too much problems. But if it comes down to your time and workload, I'd say drop the plushies. I'd rather see the plushes go and the WoGs remain in some form if it comes down to that.

I LOVE the Works of Glory system, but maybe im biased because I have little problems coming up with them. XD; It's something that makes Edel unique, and I'd be sad to see them go completely. Maybe make them non-required for deity but keep them around to switch them for written reqs, to make up for the plushie follower count if they are removed. Heaven knows that saved my a** with Echo. XD; So people can do them if they feel like it, or power through with writing if they're not artistically inclined. I do admit that having them as an hard requirement does put the less artistic people at disadvantage.

Maybe make youths be able to get their own temple, if only for rp flavor. I mean, the youth stage is the deity truly reborn, but not to their full glory... It would make sense that they would seek temples and worships to regain their once-glory, no ?

Maybe lower the deity reqs a bit. I'd like for them to require effort still, but not feel completely unattainable. I would hate to see it become a sorely GM-decided factor. Edel imo has it mostly perfect as far as the omgspecialstage goes - it has sets requirement everyone can see, and anyone who meets these requirement get it. I would hate to see deity stages become limited/kept artificially rare as some other shops tend to do with their last/specia/elder/wtfyagonnacallit stages. It can't be too easy or it kinds of loses it's meaning, it can't be too hard that people feel like they can't achieve it if they're not the best writers in the universe.

On the breedables rp vs guild... I'd have to agree with Sosi. Almost all the shops have their rp and journals in guilds now, and given the time where gaia farted and ate whole journals I actually feel safer having everything guild-side. I keep backups in my own guild and it would save me a ton of time to have everything guildside << I say make a journal subforum and let players move over their journals if they feel like it. You could also drop the certs in-thread and let the players create their own journal in BCRP or the guild, as preferred. I'd also like to see another subforum where one could create mortal journals. I've often had mortal characters in the edel setting with no idea where to log their stuff if they're rping on their own.

You have been TL;DR'erd by Zero for 9999hp, you have been slain !
PostPosted: Fri Jan 13, 2012 6:05 pm


@the subforums - I'd perfer a separate subforum for journals, and another for events, but that's pretty much nitpick at this point. Hell, maybe have events in the main guild forum ? Would make it look more lively. Im probably gonna move all my happy people now that this' been brought up <<

A Wandering Esper

Beloved Stargazer


Eftemie

Vermillion Gekko

PostPosted: Fri Jan 13, 2012 7:14 pm


As for the idea of simplified tally, I love it. I pretty much know where my tally is anyhow because of the way I do my page index. And I love the fact that Edel has been around for years. It was a good idea. I've had Lisana since 2005, LMAO. Didn't realize it was so long. Anyhow... I really hope more people join in. It makes it more fun. I'm actually going to have more time this semester to play and it would be nice to see more going on.

As for moving the journals, I don't have a problem with it. I have nearly everything I do on files I think somewhere on a flash drive, but the newer ones I've been doing in my old guild so I can find threads. I'm bad about losing them.... sweatdrop And I hate digging thru threads to find them.

I don't mind redoing my journals, and I've been rethinking about redoing the front page entirely anyhow. I recently redid a couple other journals in my old guild because the shops went under and I did not want to lose what I had done since I will most likely continue them. I would think about keeping journals separate in their own subforum in the guild. And I don't mind the first post being yours either, Ivy.

I do like the plushies, and whether you keep them or get rid of them, there is still plenty to do besides that.

As for the deity stage, I think it should be intimidating. And it should be available to everyone, but it should be the effort of the person that decides whether they get it or not. It should take work to achieve. I'm probably not helping much, but those who have remained at Edel have worked hard for where they have gotten to. The works of glory are interesting and a deity should be glorified. It should be part of a being a god to be glorified by your followers AND the person who is actually writing you. XD

As for a perk, if you decide to do that.. I'd not say a fifth stage, but extra art or an updated version or pose that is more current. For example, (Thabs, I'm using Nergal XD ) Nergal is deity, but say he adds a bone staff or something that he carries with him all the time in his stories, something he's never without, an updated version or new pose with that staff could be interesting and would be a great reward. We all adore art. IMHO.... there is never enough Ivyart. XD

*bops Zero* A little bit overkill there.. I only had 1 HP as it was. razz
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