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aravier

PostPosted: Fri Dec 02, 2005 8:25 am


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About two months ago, I was the defending party in a athiest bashing meeting... below is an exerpt from my Live Journal that tells of my survival during the ordeal.

It is long...

Quote:
Then their was the long-asss drawn-out christian/atheist debate. Not really much of a debate, just athiest bashing. Again, I was not allowed to put one word in. I did happen to get out, ?I don't really care what you think. I respect your views, and you should respect mine." Then I was told not to be surprised when I get struck down. God this and god that. I tried to ask why I have to believe in christianity.... somewhere I must have got lost because they asked why I kept bringing up christianity (mind you, they are all christian). I said that if I was to believe in any other god I would be just as blasphemis as if I didn't believe in any god at all... if there really is this god. They said it doesn't matter because basically everyone believes in the same god. I hate to say it, but when I was christian I did research and even christians don't all believe in the same god in the same way. They can't all be right. So I asked how they knew they were right, but the only reply was it doesn't matter.

By the end of the night I was then being called stupid, not literally. The real phrase was that my brain was the size of a pea and i only use half that. Good christians they are... any witness they had was lost long before it got that far. I as an atheist know more about their god then they do. Tghey just believe becasue they are afraid of what may happen if they don't. Going about it that way is still the wrong way... if there is a god.

I would say I acted way more mature then all 4 of them... but that was just my point of view.

They asked me if I celebrate christmas... I said no, I son't celebrate that holiday that was originally pagan. They asked if I give or recieve gifts... I said yes, because it is a tradition. BAM! Right there I was a hypicrite because christmas is a religious tradtion. I follow it because it's a family tradition and I respect my families traditions.

I was also asked if I loved McDonalds when i was younger. Of course I did... I was a kid. Somehow that was supposed to tie in with me being a hypocrite. I have no idea how.

Out of all this Steve-Bashing... I wasn't the one that was getting angry. The two black girls were seriously pissed off and offended that I didn't agree with them. They asked me to remind them how old I was many times... 21 I would say... and they said I was young and immature yet, I would grow out of it.

I fished out a bit of info... I was more active in my religious life when i was christian then they are now. i fasted, spent nights at church, went to bible study everyweek, participated in youth group, rallies, and revivals. i even went to church twice on sundays sometimes. I read almost the whole bible, not to mentyion written works by christian authors. I did looked into different forms of christianity. I RESEARCHED WHAT I BELIEVED. Them? They just believe.


I thought the athiest was the one that bashed the christian? That's the story I always heard. What went wrong tonight?


Here's a post, a day later:

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I asked what McDonalds had to do with Christianity (see previous post). The relation was supposed to be that i loved going to McDonalds because of Ronald... which I hated him. The guy said that was supposed to somehow represent why i should go to church or something like that. When I mentioned that it was apples to oranges and asked exactly how they related... he got kinda pissed.

Somewhere during the discussion, it got odd. One guy told me he doesn't have to read the bible or go to church or anything along those lines to know how to live and have belief in god. How does he know what rules god wants him to follow, and how he is suppoed to live. The guy said he has never read the enitre bible.

They mentioned the Left Behind series. When I said I read every book but the last one, the 19 year old guy looked at me like I was lying. He said his teacher hasn't read all of them and he has a degree and such. I don't know about his teacher, but that's pretty damn slow then. I have read all but the last one.

I was insulted again. They said I can't grasp the concept of christianity because I am too think-headed, ignorant, and *I have forgotten the other one*.

I was told I am unhappy in my life because I don't have religion in my life. Why is it then that i was as unhappy or more unhappy when I was in church? He said the happiest people he has ever seen were in church and he has never been in church. I let that one go.


There are a few grammar errors, I know, please try to bare through it.

I think it's also funny how some christians believe that atheists are devil worshippers...

I call my self an atehist, but there is another word for what I am *I have forgotten*. Basically, in a way, I believe I am my own god. I control my actions, my choices and my path. I believe I was told it is existentialism.


thats bad, bad and laughable at the same time, they should at least know there own religion before they go out and bash others
PostPosted: Fri Dec 02, 2005 2:32 pm


I've never had a problem with it really. Only once did I tell someone I was agnostic and they responded with "You do realize that you'll go to hell right?" I responded with something like "Do you think that your God would frown upon me because I didn't truly believe in him, and yet did no societal wrongs that also correspond with the ten commandments? If 'he' does, and there is a hell, I'd gladly go." The person thought about it, smiled, and left without a word.

Yup, that's the worst I've ever recieved - although I don't go out telling anyone and everyone.

Pistil


iviary

PostPosted: Fri Dec 02, 2005 5:05 pm


When a "friend" learned that I didn't believe in God, he said, "Why? Are you mad at God?!" xp "Yes. Just like when I'm mad at you, I don't think you exist." He then told me I was going to hell. Eh.

There are only two devout Christians I've ever had an intellectually stimulating conversation with about religion, and my lack of beliefs.

The most common reaction I've seen is thus:
"But Jesus Loves You!!!"
And when that doesn't instantly convert me,
"YOU'RE GOING TO HELL!"
Ugh. It's your hell. You burn in it.

I've certainly witnessed the sentiment that a lack of faith means a lack of morals. It's simply not true. I have morals because I want to make the world a better place in which to live, and I would be displeased with myself otherwise. I am nice because it's best for the so-called greater good. I don't do these things because otherwise some omniscient being is going to zap me with lightning and cast me into the bowels of hell. Morals arise out of necessity. A society cannot function without morals, nor will society allow someone wholly lacking in morals to survive. That's the purpose of laws. In the same sense, you do not only follow laws because you will get in trouble if you do not. You follow many laws because it is the right and moral thing to do for yourself and others. Even cavemen lacking in knowledge of modern Gods had to follow some sort of moral code in order to coexist successfully.
PostPosted: Sat Dec 03, 2005 3:28 pm


I've got some big problems with stereotypes.

Recently, quite recently, in fact, one of my close friends (who is theist) was talking about atheism, and mentioned that as there were fundamentalist Christians, there are fundamental atheists-- people that, apparently, believe religion is evil, just like fundamentalist Christians believe god knows what is evil or sinful or whatnot.

She then proceeded to say I was one of those "fundamental atheists"-- but that's okay, "we love you anyway."

She's not a bigot, she's not closed-minded. She's very intelligent, and very far from Fundamentalism in her religious beliefs. I for the life of me can not figure out where such a stereotyped comment came from.

For one, I don't believe religion is evil, or that theists are horrible people, or anything along those lines. I respect everyone's rights to their beliefs. However, I do believe that religion is false. That's quite different from calling it "evil". If that's the point she was trying to make, that I believed religion was false, and so, I was a fundamental atheist (and, as such, a rather undesirable person who should be generally disregarded as a raving lunatic), then I really don't see its grounds. Simply for being an atheist, I'm a fundamental atheist, and a crackpot who's off his rocker when it comes to that subject? Lame.

Gah. So much lack of thought in those statements she made.

I've also been stereotyped as-- since I'm an atheist-- "having no morals"-- even when I'm a pacifist, don't do drugs of any sort, believe everyone is equal, and the like. Because, apparently, morals have to come from religion, and without religion, one cannot have a sense of what's right or wrong.

Stereotypes make me very angry. Grr.

Southwest


ProfessorDexter

PostPosted: Thu Dec 08, 2005 10:09 pm


Bazyl


You know whats scary aboutt when they say that? "Angels are always watching you" "God sees all you do" "Santa knows when you are awake or sleeping"

Talk about invasion of privacy ninja blaugh


"be careful, little eyes, what you see,/
be careful, little eyes, what you see,/
for the lord up above/
is looking down with love,/
be careful, little eyes, what you see.

be careful, little mind, what you think,/
be careful, little mind, what you think,/
for the lord up above/
is looking down with love,/
be careful, little mind, what you think."

--an excerpt from a song at my best friend's church's '5 & under' daycare

sooo effing creepy. (indoctrination, anyone?)
PostPosted: Sun Dec 11, 2005 7:01 am


ProfessorDexter
Bazyl


You know whats scary aboutt when they say that? "Angels are always watching you" "God sees all you do" "Santa knows when you are awake or sleeping"

Talk about invasion of privacy ninja blaugh


"be careful, little eyes, what you see,/
be careful, little eyes, what you see,/
for the lord up above/
is looking down with love,/
be careful, little eyes, what you see.

be careful, little mind, what you think,/
be careful, little mind, what you think,/
for the lord up above/
is looking down with love,/
be careful, little mind, what you think."

--an excerpt from a song at my best friend's church's '5 & under' daycare

sooo effing creepy. (indoctrination, anyone?)
Ew, God really IS a pervert. Though, it really makes you wonder, is god a multi-billion eyed monster or something?

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PostPosted: Wed Jan 04, 2006 3:36 pm


Here's one...

Atheists are homosexual wiccans.
PostPosted: Wed Jan 04, 2006 4:30 pm


Southwest
I've got some big problems with stereotypes.

Recently, quite recently, in fact, one of my close friends (who is theist) was talking about atheism, and mentioned that as there were fundamentalist Christians, there are fundamental atheists-- people that, apparently, believe religion is evil, just like fundamentalist Christians believe god knows what is evil or sinful or whatnot.

She then proceeded to say I was one of those "fundamental atheists"-- but that's okay, "we love you anyway."

She's not a bigot, she's not closed-minded. She's very intelligent, and very far from Fundamentalism in her religious beliefs. I for the life of me can not figure out where such a stereotyped comment came from.

For one, I don't believe religion is evil, or that theists are horrible people, or anything along those lines. I respect everyone's rights to their beliefs. However, I do believe that religion is false. That's quite different from calling it "evil". If that's the point she was trying to make, that I believed religion was false, and so, I was a fundamental atheist (and, as such, a rather undesirable person who should be generally disregarded as a raving lunatic), then I really don't see its grounds. Simply for being an atheist, I'm a fundamental atheist, and a crackpot who's off his rocker when it comes to that subject? Lame.

Gah. So much lack of thought in those statements she made.

I've also been stereotyped as-- since I'm an atheist-- "having no morals"-- even when I'm a pacifist, don't do drugs of any sort, believe everyone is equal, and the like. Because, apparently, morals have to come from religion, and without religion, one cannot have a sense of what's right or wrong.

Stereotypes make me very angry. Grr.
o.o That's making that friend sound like a bit more of a fundamentalist than you, isn't it?
I really hate it when people use the 'but we love you anyway' line unless it's in a situation where it's legitimately funny. I don't like that sort of implied 'I think you're wrong and kinda stupid but oh well, whatever' thing.
Oh Dx And it's a bit insulting when people say they hope you 'come around' religiously. It really makes them sound.. eh.. kind of demeaning or something. (I can't think of the right word.)

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