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Quinny-chan

PostPosted: Thu Aug 10, 2006 4:55 pm


I would be willing to make RL plushies for prizes... but they should be big prizes, as I dont want to do many.

Like, either a regular plushie of their character or an embroidered plushie where I transform lines of their character into a plush.

I'll try to come up with samples.
PostPosted: Thu Aug 10, 2006 5:36 pm


i dont know if this was said or not yet ninja
but into reference of the fae art contest
i think that one piece of art should only win one category
i feel its kind of unfair when one piece of art basically sweeps the categories @_@ good or not give others a chance? lol

i'd offer something as a prize, 'cept i'm not that talented XD;;
i guess a watercolour piece of their character? *shrugs* not much but its something

*scuttles back into hiding*

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PostPosted: Thu Aug 10, 2006 6:54 pm


I would love to join in for an art auction. *0* Anything I can do to help! *shooes of a donation to innoxious*
PostPosted: Thu Aug 10, 2006 8:01 pm


Added a poll, ^^.

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PostPosted: Thu Aug 10, 2006 9:30 pm


I'm with Sika, I don't think one piece should be able to win more than one category. Just my two cents. I mean, looks like some of these prizes will be fantastic...share the wealth a bit? sweatdrop
EDIT: And speaking of judges, who WILL be judging (aside from the individually-funded categories...I'm assuming if I funded a Laron art category, I'd get to pick the winners?) Anyhow. I can see why maybe judges and their likes/dislikes should not be made public in the art thread...but personally I'd like to know who'd be judging. o_O
PostPosted: Thu Aug 10, 2006 9:42 pm


Being that I witnessed much of the Fa'e drama, I have a few things to be said about juding.

#1: There should be multiple judges. Before a piece is submitted as winner, all of them should agree.
#2: If, after the initial round of judging, one piece recieves 2 votes, 1 recieves 3 votes and 4 recieve 1 vote each, don't just assume that the one with the most votes should win. Resubmit those pieces for another round of judging until the top three winners are decided upon. Or top two or whatever.
#3: No piece should win more than one of the smaller categories. However, all pieces should qualify for the main prizes. ((ie: the picture that wins best April, should still be available to win best overall or best CG or what not, any of the big categories, but not funniest or best ponytails or whatever the smaller categories are.))

Aside from the Sajhiri drama, this is where most of the drama came from. If we are vigilant, we shall prevail!

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PostPosted: Thu Aug 10, 2006 10:28 pm


-snorts- Best ponytails, XD..

If you fund a catagory, you're in charge of judging it, I'd think. You know what you were looking for when you funded the catagory, so you should be the one to pick the winners, no?

As for judges, I'd like a handful of trusted people alongside Cheshire and myself, preferably ones that are Feedee, Feedee and Legend, and Legend guardians, if only for the good variation it'd provide. But I completely agree with what's been said; we do have a lot of time to flesh out details, but we should learn from others's mistakes and try and have this thing run as smoothly as possible.
PostPosted: Fri Aug 11, 2006 8:21 am


Sarielle
I'm with Sika, I don't think one piece should be able to win more than one category. Just my two cents. I mean, looks like some of these prizes will be fantastic...share the wealth a bit? sweatdrop
EDIT: And speaking of judges, who WILL be judging (aside from the individually-funded categories...I'm assuming if I funded a Laron art category, I'd get to pick the winners?) Anyhow. I can see why maybe judges and their likes/dislikes should not be made public in the art thread...but personally I'd like to know who'd be judging. o_O


Personally I don't need to know whom the judges are. We don't need to know that. That'd be for Phoo to know. We're getting much too paranoid as where the art contest stands, and though I do agree with having multiple judges, it's always best to have ... .few of them, like 3 or 4, no more, or it gets way too hectic. Phoo, I would not assign only one person per category either, a few, 3 or something should be best, otherwise opinions can be very biased and that would stir trouble. ... That's just me though?

Don't vote picceys, instead say like the 4 judges should.... go into an aim chat and there they can discuss till they arrive at a final decision. People need to remember that art isn't always judged on quality but on EFFORT and time taken. ... or that's what I think.

Also, the thing about pictures not winning two categories, I also think that's a good idea. Quinny, if you're not going to let a picture win April and best CG, it should also not be allowed to win the smaller categories. It should be all or none, otherwise it's unfair to the artists.

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PostPosted: Fri Aug 11, 2006 8:25 am


Mmm, I meant that if someone alone funds an individual catagory, shouldn't they be the one to judge it? I didn't mean split up the judging total, that'd be a hefty and unwise burden, I agree~
PostPosted: Fri Aug 11, 2006 8:43 am


quietsnooze
Mmm, I meant that if someone alone funds an individual catagory, shouldn't they be the one to judge it? I didn't mean split up the judging total, that'd be a hefty and unwise burden, I agree~


I dunno, see... even though in theory that would work... I'm not sure if it'd be all that fair. I'm not accusing anyone, or saying this could be so, but people do tend to favor friends when they judge on solo. If there's only one judge, there's no second opinion, or third one.

Perhaps do a thing where... the person that funds the category gets... to bigger say, but you and Cheshire (for example) also pitch in opinions to balance it out?

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PostPosted: Fri Aug 11, 2006 9:27 am


i agree with dfa but i also agree with phoo
if i were to totaly fund a category on say..the best Fawkes and rouge, i would deffiantly want to be the judge since i know the characters best, or at least have total veto or something XD;;;

ninja if i had the funds i totaly would so i could gets fawkes/rouge artses XDDD

but then i do agree with favoring being a problem though, you cant help but favor, even if it is just a slight thing @_@

sooo lol either complete veto, or the only judge i agree with XD;;;;;
*is a flopflopper* weee!
PostPosted: Fri Aug 11, 2006 3:58 pm


*Shrugs* I could judge a writing contest easily. An art contest, not so well. Make sense?

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PostPosted: Fri Aug 11, 2006 4:47 pm


Just a note -- In my past experiences judging art contests, an informal caucus is far better than a scoreboard. Get your small group of people togetherin an AIM chat room, and nominate for the top prizes, then work your way down.

I don't think a single piece of art should be allowed to win more than one prize. If a piece wins -the- top prize, that should be it.

Of course, people will wan tto judge their own categories, right? So I propose...

Rank your favorites for your categories, so if your #1 favorite of your character wins top prize, you just bump up your #2 choice for your character prize, and so on and so forth.

This way more artists get rewarded -- allowing one person to win multiple categories with a single image just breed a lot of resentment.

Also, in order to make the judging process quicker, I do suggest that individuals awarding prizes do their judging as entries come on, and not all at the end. Not a final judging or anything, but a general informal idea of what images you like best. Then take maybe three days after the end of the contest to work in the last-minute entries to your personal judging, and voila, you're done and no one had to wait frigging three-four weeks. (Waiting = not fun for artists!)

Anyway, just more ideas I'm tossing out there. But definitely avoid point scoring. In fact, I also recommend common denomiator voting... It's the ebst way to coordinate votes between multiple judges. Basically, if we're looking at the top prize, a judge votes a "yes" on every entry they think might be deserving of top prize -- they might have only one piece they think deserves it, they might have three they think are equally deserving. The piece with the most judges' votes wins, or you have a runoff if there's a tie... This way the top winner pleases the majority of people and you're less likely to have complaints.

I made that sound a lot more complicated than it actually is, I think...



EDIT: On denominator voting... Part of the reason I'm for it is that if judges are onyl allowed to vote for one image for favorite, they start to try and go for the piece they love the most versus the best piece, so a judge with really quirky taste might vote for an image that veryone else thinks is just stupid. Whereas if someone is judging and they get to just put a voet down for every entry they like the best, they tend to also put votes down for pieces that are technically and generally deserving rather than personal taste.

Not that there's anythign wrong with personal taste, but personal taste is where artists start to get indignant. "But my picture is better than that one!" an artist may be heard to cry, and then they have to summon the peanut gallery. "I agree, I don't know why that piece won, this one is better..."

On the flip side, an entry that has more character and maybe isn't the top quality might amass more votes in a denominator setting and place highly, whereas if judges just had to pick one they might choose based on technical merit alone and then the artists go... "But... my picture had more heart!" So I'm just saying judging should incorporate both factors, and the easy way to do that is by allowing judges to put yes votes down on more than one piece. That way technical merit and heart both get recognized.
PostPosted: Wed Aug 16, 2006 1:58 pm


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PostPosted: Wed Aug 16, 2006 4:07 pm


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