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andyz cool

PostPosted: Wed Aug 16, 2006 9:08 am


Pyrotechnic Oracle
Homo-sexuality, praying, sacrifices, woman in the church, almost every thing.


you're very vague... Also, christians have never practiced sacrifices, that was a jewish thing.
PostPosted: Wed Aug 16, 2006 11:24 am


I never specified chirstiany or judaism, mearly the things i disagree wiht in Laviticus. I'm sorry if I'm vauge, but I honostly don't feel liek gogin through the entire book again to list my problems.

Tiger of the Fire


Siren of Saturn

PostPosted: Wed Aug 16, 2006 2:03 pm


I.Am
My dad, before I went to college, used to always threaten to yell "p***s!" in random places. Now whenever anything sexual comes up, I'm always sure to yell things first. xd

Generally at home, though. sweatdrop


Lol!!My friend lisa and i used to do that during lunch..only i was usually so shy to ever do it. Sometimes i would. We would each say p***s a little louder until someone almost screamed it down the hall going to class from lunch. Ahh...those were some fun times. sweatdrop
PostPosted: Wed Aug 16, 2006 8:08 pm


Pyrotechnic Oracle
I'm a christisan, yet I disagree with alot of the old laws


*points*

there! you said it! ha mrgreen

and... you don't like praying? is that it?

sorry i'm just confused. It just sounds like you call yourself a christian, but pick and choose what you like about the religion and what you don't like. I mean, i could call myself a budist because some of what i believe overlaps with their philosophies, but i wouldn't dream of it. From what i understand about reliigons, it's all or nothing. You either believe what they teach or you don't.

andyz cool


Tiger of the Fire

PostPosted: Wed Aug 16, 2006 9:01 pm


I never believed you had to follow any law to be a christian. Christianities fundamental beleife is that Christ dided for us on the cross. I've seen to many things in this world today to belive much of the old laws were translated correctly during the era of King James. I still read a king james bible though.
PostPosted: Wed Aug 16, 2006 9:09 pm


MiNdCaNdY
Pyrotechnic Oracle
I'm a christisan, yet I disagree with alot of the old laws


*points*

there! you said it! ha mrgreen

and... you don't like praying? is that it?

sorry i'm just confused. It just sounds like you call yourself a christian, but pick and choose what you like about the religion and what you don't like. I mean, i could call myself a budist because some of what i believe overlaps with their philosophies, but i wouldn't dream of it. From what i understand about reliigons, it's all or nothing. You either believe what they teach or you don't.
So to be American and enjoy it, you have to agree with everything Bush says? Everything the Republicans say? Everything the Democrats say? Everything taught by the Green Party?

There is no such thing as all or nothing in any religion. Unless you believe women shouldn't be allowed in churches or to sleep in the same bed as their husbands when they're menstruating, then you don't agree with the old laws either.

At any rate, didn't the levitical laws get done away with when Jesus came since he was the fulfillment of them? That's why we can eat meat and still be Christian, isn't it?*

Edit: when I said meat, I meant to say pork.

lymelady
Vice Captain


andyz cool

PostPosted: Wed Aug 16, 2006 9:12 pm


hmm... I have some experience reading greek, but hebrew is one of the most horrible languages to learn i've ever seen. I didn't get very far

however

I know someone who is a language guy. he can sight read 5 different langauges INCLUDING greek and hebrew (the only language that's biblical that he dosn't know is aramaic) According to him, the most accurate translations are New American Standard Bible and certian parts of the KJV. He also pointed out a few things that were screwed up in those translations, so none of them are perfect.

Anyway, you said you see things that cause you to disblieve the Bible's ability to be applied to modern situations? Like what? Also, we're way too far off the topic here, but you have me curious. Maybe we could continue this over PM if you'd like?
PostPosted: Wed Aug 16, 2006 9:17 pm


I'd rather not. YOu make me far to uncomfertable now.

Tiger of the Fire


andyz cool

PostPosted: Wed Aug 16, 2006 9:26 pm


lymelady
MiNdCaNdY
Pyrotechnic Oracle
I'm a christisan, yet I disagree with alot of the old laws


*points*

there! you said it! ha mrgreen

and... you don't like praying? is that it?

sorry i'm just confused. It just sounds like you call yourself a christian, but pick and choose what you like about the religion and what you don't like. I mean, i could call myself a budist because some of what i believe overlaps with their philosophies, but i wouldn't dream of it. From what i understand about reliigons, it's all or nothing. You either believe what they teach or you don't.
So to be American and enjoy it, you have to agree with everything Bush says? Everything the Republicans say? Everything the Democrats say? Everything taught by the Green Party?

There is no such thing as all or nothing in any religion. Unless you believe women shouldn't be allowed in churches or to sleep in the same bed as their husbands when they're menstruating, then you don't agree with the old laws either.

At any rate, didn't the levitical laws get done away with when Jesus came since he was the fulfillment of them? That's why we can eat meat and still be Christian, isn't it?


You're comparing two unrealated things. One of the parts of the package deal that is Christianity is that God created us, and therefore knows how to get the most out of our lives. The standards set forth in scripture are the path to do that. Christ came to fulfill the law, this is true, and change some of it, but there are some parts that remain unchanged.

Now, getting to what you mentioned, yes, women can sleep in the same bed as their husbands when they have their period because what the OT law was talking about was having sex, not necessarially sharing the same bed. I'm not really sure about that being a sin now, but i'll tell you something, i'm sticking my d**k into something that's bleeding. Women are allowed in a church because a church is not a jewish temple. All the principles of OT law that we do not practice were abolished because they either don't apply or were replaced with something in the teachings of Christ or his apostles. Also, the intent of the law changed. Originally, the law was put there to show us the need for christ. The bar was simply set too high for people to attain, hense, the only salvation was through a miracle (the coming of christ.) Now the law exists to show us the best way to live our lives.
PostPosted: Wed Aug 16, 2006 9:32 pm


Pyrotechnic Oracle
I'd rather not. YOu make me far to uncomfertable now.


sorry sad

andyz cool


Tiger of the Fire

PostPosted: Wed Aug 16, 2006 9:33 pm


Your basic "My way or the high way" attitude is what did it. Its why I'm non-denominational. I would much rather ifnd out truths and reasoning for myself instead of having other people tell me what they think is true and handing them to me as facts.
PostPosted: Wed Aug 16, 2006 9:40 pm


so because you don't like my views that invalidated my argument or my right to debate?

pardon me for saying so, but now you sound like a choicer...

andyz cool


Tiger of the Fire

PostPosted: Wed Aug 16, 2006 9:45 pm


No, not that. Its the fact that your voicing oyur opinoin as though its fact, somehtign I hate form all sides.
PostPosted: Wed Aug 16, 2006 9:55 pm


isn't that exactly what you're doing though? You take the view that it's bad for me to state what i believe is fact as fact. You say it's bad for me to talk like that, and you put forth that objective philosophy as fact. The fact is, the whole 'true for me, but not for you' thing just dosn't work because, in reality, only one person can be right. I state my opinion as fact because i've researched it, studied it, and lived it and came to the conclusion that it is, indeed, fact. If you disagree, you are welcome to disprove me. As far as i knew we were just making polite conversation before, not trying to force our philosophies on eachother.

andyz cool


Tiger of the Fire

PostPosted: Wed Aug 16, 2006 10:02 pm


Actualy, no. What i said can basicly be summed up in one little phrase. "Beleive what you will, time will tell whos right and whos wrong."

You've come to an idea that your beleives are right base don what you have lived and study and know. The problem that is that not only do I disagree wiht oyu, but i perosnly don't knwo what to beleive. I'm comfertable with calling my self a christien because its what makes sence to me, its what works for me, its whats best helped me in m life, that dosn't mean I agree with every single tenenet, law or other wise. I've seen and donw things that many would say is agianst the bible, that many would say the bible teache sus isn't true. Well, that never stopped me from living them (when I say right i don't mean morals, I mean physicly and logicly)
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