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Minimum security prisons are for less harsh crimes, dear.

You don't want to chuck Johnny Potsmoker into a maximum security, and ruin his life, just because you think that he deserves to be imprisoned for life.

Kind of an exaggeration, I suppose, but it's stupid to put all crimes on the same spectrum of punishment. A lower quality of life has to be indicative with the crime, as well as the progress being made by the prisoner (rate of rehabilitation).

I don't see what throwing people into maximum security, letting them get raped, and getting them addicted to drugs, for stealing something, is going to accomplish.

I thought pro-lifers were AGAINST dehumanization.

I think Pyro's saying the same thing you are McPhee. The level of crime determines where you end up. Maximum security prisons are horribly places. You wouldn't send someone there for swiping a pack of gum from a convenience store, just like you wouldn't send a sociopath to a minimum security prison.

I don't like the whole pink and manties thing. What the heck is that supposed to accomplish? Break a man's confidence to the point where he's no longer himself? Commiting a crime doesn't forfeit your human rights. It forfeights your freedom. Some people try to get into some jails. Obviously those jails are very easy on a prisoner. And if you need an organ, I suggest committing a crime, you'll be put ahead of everyone else on the organ donation list or it'll be considered cruel and unusal punishment. But most jails aren't like that. And when did this topic swing into the state of prisons? Yeah, some aren't exactly horrifying, but that's not the type that people who do things death penalty worthy get sent to, so what relevance does it have?

Yes, That's what I'm saying.

But what I'm also trying to get across is that people deserve the things in life that they've become accustomed to, up to a point. All the essentials of life should be provided, with luxuries and such being able to be taken away.

When freedom is taken away from a man, there's nothing much you can do to make him feel better about it. So why take away all of a man's resources, of making himself go through his days.

Dehumanization is my main problem with the prison system. People think prisons are strictly punitive, and they shouldn't. Jails should be more therapeutic than they are.

3nodding And what's better, a guy in prison--or even dead--or a guy who's completely renounced a life of crime and even wants to work to keep others away from one? Killing someone accomplishes nothing, but someone who's changed can do some good in the future.

It happens, even if it's difficult.

There needs to be a realization on the part of the ***** that the children DON'T want to be touched like that, and that they AREN'T trying to attract older men with the things that they do.

There's a whole bunch of written theory on reforming *****. They aren't monsters, you know. They're humans. You can't just write people off as lost causes for acting against laws.

But ***** is not a viable sexuality. It's a dysfunction. There's a difference between a sexuality, a fetish, and a sexual dysfunction. They're all different.

You can't cure homosexuality, because that's a sexuality. You can't cure... I dunno... a foot fetish, because that's a fetish. But you CAN cure *****, because that's a dysfunction.

By the way, I'm gay, just FYI, dear.

I am not for the death penalty. surprised

I have heard a lot of stories where people who did terrible things, such as commit murder ect. have thaught about it, and realized thier wrong doings while spending 15 years in jail.

I do not believe the death penalty is right, though many others believes it serves a purpose.. Which is to rid the world of some sinister being. If there has to be a penalty, let it be an absolute last hope..

Good point.

They used to castrate homosexuals as well, in an attempt to cure them, before it was widely accepted as a lifestyle.

My opinion on ***** is that they should be given a chance at rehabilitation, just as everyone else should be given.

But I still stand firm in saying that there is no crime that a person can commit that makes me think they don't deserve their life anymore. Everyone deserves their lives, which is what I'm speaking of when I refer to the "right to life". Like with abortion, everyone deserves a chance to live their life in their own way, as long as they don't hurt anyone else.

And if they do, well, punish them. Just DON'T kill them.

(that Last part wasn't directed at you, Zin, just restating my point.)