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 Posted: Mon Dec 20, 2004 9:35 pm
That explains alot! I'm a bigger fan of take downs because if it was up to me, as soon as the guy is down, I'm running away as hell. No time to be wrestling with them on the ground. Take downs are painful too, and I think that's why Aikido has its merits. Your body is relaxed enough so that in training,when you are taken down, you're not going to hurt yourself as easily. I heard that the number one injury in judo is the collarbone...*winces* Do you guys have fear of your joints broken in take-downs? Delmar_Denban The main difference you'll find with BJJ is it's a hell of a lot more technical. BJJ is practically 90% ground work and 10% takedowns You'll find that judo is the opposite. I've been doinf BJJ now for around 7 months and judo for about 3 or 4 months. Because of my BJJ training I can spleen practically every one on the floor at my local Judo club (bar most of the black belts). At the BJJ club in london I sometimes go to there is a guy who trains there called Danny Williams who is the judo masters world champion that sometimes trains there. I've seen a very good blue belt (the first belt you earn) tear him to pieces on the ground. My local BJJ instructor who is a blue belt (going on purple belt) and also a recent judo black belt destroys every one at the my local judo club on the ground, even the guys who have been training for 25 years +. As a grappling art BJJ is superior as far as ground work is concerned but as far as throws and take downs are conerned Judo is better. I cross train in both so you get the best of both worlds. If you are doing No holds barred such as Vale Tudo you'll find that BJJ is far more useful when you hit the ground. Because there are no Gi's you'll find it much harder to execute throw especially becuase of the striking element.
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Posted: Tue Dec 21, 2004 12:04 am
Lunaries That explains alot! I'm a bigger fan of take downs because if it was up to me, as soon as the guy is down, I'm running away as hell. No time to be wrestling with them on the ground. Take downs are painful too, and I think that's why Aikido has its merits. Your body is relaxed enough so that in training,when you are taken down, you're not going to hurt yourself as easily. I heard that the number one injury in judo is the collarbone...*winces* Do you guys have fear of your joints broken in take-downs? Delmar_Denban The main difference you'll find with BJJ is it's a hell of a lot more technical. BJJ is practically 90% ground work and 10% takedowns You'll find that judo is the opposite. I've been doinf BJJ now for around 7 months and judo for about 3 or 4 months. Because of my BJJ training I can spleen practically every one on the floor at my local Judo club (bar most of the black belts). At the BJJ club in london I sometimes go to there is a guy who trains there called Danny Williams who is the judo masters world champion that sometimes trains there. I've seen a very good blue belt (the first belt you earn) tear him to pieces on the ground. My local BJJ instructor who is a blue belt (going on purple belt) and also a recent judo black belt destroys every one at the my local judo club on the ground, even the guys who have been training for 25 years +. As a grappling art BJJ is superior as far as ground work is concerned but as far as throws and take downs are conerned Judo is better. I cross train in both so you get the best of both worlds. If you are doing No holds barred such as Vale Tudo you'll find that BJJ is far more useful when you hit the ground. Because there are no Gi's you'll find it much harder to execute throw especially becuase of the striking element. A good friend of mine has broken his collar bone a few times.. He broken it from a biking accident, but he keeps breaking it in jiujitsu now, from the takedowns. So I assume that judo would produce many collarbone injuries.
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Posted: Tue Dec 21, 2004 12:34 am
Definitely one of the number one injuries. For me though, it's the elbow, shoulder and knee joints that scares me the most. Just today when sensei was demostrating a hip throw for us (using me) I had my shoulders cracked three times before I finally went over. When you guys are training? How do you keep fear from getting in the way? I have problems with being too scared to do something, so much that it stints my efforts in practice. Reim A good friend of mine has broken his collar bone a few times.. He broken it from a biking accident, but he keeps breaking it in jiujitsu now, from the takedowns. So I assume that judo would produce many collarbone injuries.
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Posted: Tue Dec 21, 2004 6:40 am
Lunaries When you guys are training? How do you keep fear from getting in the way? I have problems with being too scared to do something, so much that it stints my efforts in practice. It's like in a street confrontation, you must realise that you are feeling adreniline not fear and it is just your bodies way of preparing you for confrontation. If i'm about to do something in training and i'm feeling those butterflies in my stomach and my knees knocking then i'll just remind myself that it's natural to feel this way and my opponant/ training partner is feeling just as scared as me. Sometimes you've just got to resign yourself to the feeling and accept that what we do in training is potentially dangerous but we chose this way of life so we must accept it. It's ok to feel scared, the best fighters I know in the gym and on the street feel scared before a fight but once you get used to this feeling you get desensitised to it. I get scared alot but I accpet that it is ok to feel this way and after a while you begin to enjoy that feeling of adreniline. I just think to myself "yeah that feels good give me more". Remember adreniline makes you stronger, faster and anthsisitises (sp) us to pain. The butterflies in the stomach, shakey legs, shakey voice, the feeling that you are going to s**t yourself are just natural side affects if you like.
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Delmar_Denban Vice Captain
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Posted: Tue Dec 21, 2004 4:27 pm
Delmar_Denban It's like in a street confrontation, you must realise that you are feeling adreniline not fear and it is just your bodies way of preparing you for confrontation. If i'm about to do something in training and i'm feeling those butterflies in my stomach and my knees knocking then i'll just remind myself that it's natural to feel this way and my opponant/ training partner is feeling just as scared as me. Sometimes you've just got to resign yourself to the feeling and accept that what we do in training is potentially dangerous but we chose this way of life so we must accept it. It's ok to feel scared, the best fighters I know in the gym and on the street feel scared before a fight but once you get used to this feeling you get desensitised to it. I get scared alot but I accpet that it is ok to feel this way and after a while you begin to enjoy that feeling of adreniline. I just think to myself "yeah that feels good give me more". Remember adreniline makes you stronger, faster and anthsisitises (sp) us to pain. The butterflies in the stomach, shakey legs, shakey voice, the feeling that you are going to s**t yourself are just natural side affects if you like. We may be speaking of two different types of fear. The one I'm going through is the "s**t..this is gonna be painful" and then my body tenses. It's more a conscious fear because of memory than adrenaline which hasn't happened yet. I'm not sure if I'm expressing this accurately, but think of a child afraid to get back into the pool because he almost drowned in there once.
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Posted: Tue Dec 21, 2004 5:07 pm
hmmm, I know the feeling you're talking about as I used to get it.
This isn't going to pass as a great explaination but you've just got to tell yourself to relax.
Think of it this way:
In arts such as Aikido you've got to relax becuase the more you tense up the more chance you've got of getting hurt.
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Delmar_Denban Vice Captain
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Posted: Tue Dec 21, 2004 8:43 pm
Delmar_Denban hmmm, I know the feeling you're talking about as I used to get it. This isn't going to pass as a great explaination but you've just got to tell yourself to relax. Think of it this way: In arts such as Aikido you've got to relax becuase the more you tense up the more chance you've got of getting hurt. That's what I keep telling myself and it's not working as wel as I had hoped. And I also have to admit that it's not limited to martial arts. ABout 8 years ago, I almost chopped my pinkie off in woodwork and I haven't been able to look at a saw without shuddering since then. I'm such a sissy...
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Posted: Sat Dec 25, 2004 2:27 am
When I was learning simple acrobatics, such as the backflip. Id stand out in my lawn for hours trying to get myself to do it. Id spend hours on the computer watching videos of other people doing it and slowing it down so that, just like in amrtial arts the technique was second nature. Then one day I jsut.. went for it.
My point is.. know what you're doing, but dont concentrate on that or you'll ******** yourself up. Know what youre doing then let go.
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Posted: Sat Dec 25, 2004 12:48 pm
Lunaries, I think I can relate to that kind of fear. The thing I fear is throws, or rather, certain people who throw me. Most times, it doesn't hurt because I'm used to being thrown by now. However, there is one guy I partner up with occasionally who is ridiculously strong and will just smash me into the ground. Whenever I'm working with him and we start doing throws or any kind of takedowns, I always tense up. However, it's nothing extreme. I just tell myself that what doesn't kill me makes me stronger, and that I need to stop being such a p***y.
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Posted: Sat Dec 25, 2004 7:22 pm
Thanks for the advice guys. I know I just have to go at times, but knowing and feeling are sometimes different things. Celest, that's precisely my problem too. One of my sempai likes to add fancy flips in the end so you get a boost while you are being flipped. (The guy doing the knife techniques) I've had it done to me a couple times and my body can't react fast/relax enough that I end up landing wrong. Guess it is something I'll have to get used to.
I guess that's why I was amazed by your videos Reim. Those are precisely the kinds of flips that freaks me. But you're right, sometimes you just have to trust your body and shut down your consciousness a little. Maybe that's training on to itself.
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Posted: Tue Jan 04, 2005 10:17 pm
Quick question for all yall. Would it be a good idea for me to drink alcohol and then solo train entoxicated? I'm thinking it would make my balance better while under the influence...expecially on kicking and foot work.
Will the cons out-weigh the pros?
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Posted: Tue Jan 04, 2005 11:44 pm
Bruce-Ganked-Lee Quick question for all yall. Would it be a good idea for me to drink alcohol and then solo train entoxicated? I'm thinking it would make my balance better while under the influence...expecially on kicking and foot work. Will the cons out-weigh the pros? Well, there is the drunken fist art, but somehow, I'm still edgy about depending on intoxication for training. For one, you won't be as conscious to what you are doing so even if you are doing something right, you wouldn't know how to redo that same move because you wouldn't remember. Training while drunk only works if you plan to be drunk every time you fight. I suppose it depends on what degree you want to be intoxicated. Buzzed or more?
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Posted: Tue Jan 04, 2005 11:55 pm
Lunaries Bruce-Ganked-Lee Quick question for all yall. Would it be a good idea for me to drink alcohol and then solo train entoxicated? I'm thinking it would make my balance better while under the influence...expecially on kicking and foot work. Will the cons out-weigh the pros? Well, there is the drunken fist art, but somehow, I'm still edgy about depending on intoxication for training. For one, you won't be as conscious to what you are doing so even if you are doing something right, you wouldn't know how to redo that same move because you wouldn't remember. Training while drunk only works if you plan to be drunk every time you fight. I suppose it depends on what degree you want to be intoxicated. Buzzed or more? Tipsy...enough to hinder my movement a bit. I'm no trying to create moves as I'm drunk...I'm just going to practice the same techniques that I already know while under the influence.
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Posted: Tue Jan 04, 2005 11:59 pm
Bruce-Ganked-Lee Lunaries Bruce-Ganked-Lee Quick question for all yall. Would it be a good idea for me to drink alcohol and then solo train entoxicated? I'm thinking it would make my balance better while under the influence...expecially on kicking and foot work. Will the cons out-weigh the pros? Well, there is the drunken fist art, but somehow, I'm still edgy about depending on intoxication for training. For one, you won't be as conscious to what you are doing so even if you are doing something right, you wouldn't know how to redo that same move because you wouldn't remember. Training while drunk only works if you plan to be drunk every time you fight. I suppose it depends on what degree you want to be intoxicated. Buzzed or more? Tipsy...enough to hinder my movement a bit. I'm no trying to create moves as I'm drunk...I'm just going to practice the same techniques that I already know while under the influence. I think if anything, it's worth the experiment then, even if it's just to test out how you react with delayed reaction time and such. Afterall, you never know when you'd get into a bar fight! (*was disappointed that she had missed two on her cruise...*)
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Posted: Wed Jan 05, 2005 3:19 am
I personally think its a good idea. Apart from school 90% of the fights I've seen or been in have been when drunk or in the pub. And before anybody says anything I dont actually spend much time drunk or in the pub. I think the best training for a real fight would be when drunk, in a smokey darkened room, on a slippery floor and surrounded by tables, chairs, glass bottles and glasses...
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