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 Posted: Tue Sep 19, 2006 1:26 pm
ok, wait... we seem to have a bit of a problem at the moment with the actual definition of the word "sin". Sin: 1.estrangement from god 2.an act that is regarded by theologians as a transgression of God's will 3.commit a sin; violate a law of God or a moral law 4.the 21st letter of the Hebrew alphabet 5.(Akkadian) god of the moon; counterpart of Sumerian Nanna Now, given that we're viewing this from a religious context... I'm going to assume Evryone here agrees with the first 3, if you don't, post that you don't, or PM me. Now that we've got those... I'm going to give you the way I define Sin. Quote: You know, of course, that god made us and loves us. He made us to be a certain way though, just as the maker of a machine will make it a certain way so that it can do the things it is meant to do. He wanted us to have the ability to chose to do what he wanted us to do, or we would be slaves to his will, and that's not just. So he gave us free will, that's like giving a machine the choice to do the thing it was made to do, or to try to do something else. If the machine choses to do something else, then the creator is disapointed, it breaks his heart. Not only because we do not want to do what he made us for, but because we are MEANT to do what he made us for, and we are hapiest that way. He want's what is best for us, so he gave us the bible to tell us what he wants us to do. (what he knows will make us happiest, a machine doing a job it was not made to do will be unhappy, will it not? because it will not have some of the parts it needs, or the brainpower.) "sin" is defined as whatever breaks the heart of god, or, doing anything that will make his children unhappy, or, not as happy as they could be.
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Posted: Tue Sep 19, 2006 1:39 pm
Chronowatcher now I know why I left giaonline for a year... Proverbs 6:16-19 states: These six things the LORD hates, Yes, seven are an abomination to Him: A proud look A lying tongue Hands that shed innocent blood A heart that devises wicked plans Feet that are swift in running to evil A false witness who speaks lies And one who sows discord among brethren. -NKJV _____________________ notice the "one" in this, meaning 3rd person. since this passage has been quoted quite a bit, I'm going to start here. Notice that each of the 7 things mentioned above are sins, or symptoms of an unrepentant sinner. I say it is safe to assume that God hates sin, because it keeps those he loves from being Happy. Sinning also tells God that you do not need him, and you know better then he does what you need, that separates our hearts and minds from him. He hates that, but he loves us so much he will one day respect our wishes, if we wish to be seprate from him, we will be seprate from him, it hurts him, but he loves us enough to let us go. (Hell in my definition is the complete absense of God, if you want to dispute that, I can definately explain) So... if you accept these things that I've just stated, as I do. How on earth could God Hate Satan himself? I agree that God hates sin, but Satan? if God hated Satan, he wouldn't be giving Satan what he wants (to be seprate from God). I believe if Satan repented, God would forgive him and the rejoiceing in heaven would be unequaled by anything that's gone on before. I do not beleive that Sin would not exist, however, all satan ever does is tempt us to sin, he is not sin and he did not create sin, God did when he gave us free will. Satan is Gods creation, whos pride was his downfall and caused him to sin. Now he hates God, but that doesn't mean God hates him.
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Posted: Wed Sep 20, 2006 6:15 pm
ok ppl, no god does not love satan for he is out of Gods presence which means we as humans can be with god while satan can not, plus he tried to be God, u understand
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Posted: Fri Sep 22, 2006 9:15 am
God loves satan. cuz somewhere in matthew it says love your enemies
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Posted: Fri Sep 22, 2006 10:18 pm
AntonioMartinez ok ppl, no god does not love satan for he is out of Gods presence which means we as humans can be with god while satan can not, plus he tried to be God, u understand Read the story of Job. It talks about how Satan has conversations with God.
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Posted: Sat Sep 23, 2006 12:00 pm
i dunno. i think god hates satin.
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Posted: Thu Sep 28, 2006 6:59 pm
Being the lazy person I am today, I'll just give out a plain answer.
"Yes, it has been stated in the Holy Bible that love all those around you, treating them and loving them as you would treat and love yourself. Concluded by the teaching of Jesus of Nazerth, the words of the Disciples, and the 10 Commandments, we are generally told to love everyone, which includes our enemies such as satan. Now, the question of loving satan would be controversial in logical terms, but easy in biblical terms. When the Bible refers to "Love your enemies", it asks of you to show mercy upon them, proving that you have a pure or holy heart. In quick summary: we are to show the same mercy that we show onto our earthly enemies the same to satan, yet we are to hate him because of what he is and what he does."
Wordy, No?
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Posted: Fri Sep 29, 2006 7:56 pm
`Kel` I believe he does hate satan. There ARE things God hates. God hates evil. And Satan IS evil. It's a bit more complicated than that. God is pure love. Pure love is incapable of hatred. "Hate," as usually applied in regard to His relationship with Satan, is pretty much abhorrence -- God cannot stand evil. So it's kind of wanting to have a relationship with someone who's smoking every time you approach, blowing smoke in your face, which you can't stand. "Hate" is just the word we use because a better one is hard to find and understand, and generally "hate" suffices within the context in which it's used. ... Blah. I'm tired.
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Posted: Thu Oct 12, 2006 10:14 pm
That is a difficult one. God is love! God loves His creation! Does He love you and me when we are not loving Him and Obeying Him? Yes, He does. The real question to ask, is if Satan repented, would God forgive Him? Think about that one for a moment!
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Posted: Thu Oct 12, 2006 10:32 pm
jamesthelittle That is a difficult one. God is love! God loves His creation! Does He love you and me when we are not loving Him and Obeying Him? Yes, He does. The real question to ask, is if Satan repented, would God forgive Him? Think about that one for a moment! That may be true, but Satan will never repent... never give up on desring. I think God weeps for Satan, but still loves him. So that would be a yes.
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Posted: Thu Dec 14, 2006 3:19 pm
Jocken Chronowatcher Jocken koreanusher i dont think he does love Satan anymore... cuz in the bible it says God Hates sin... and Satan created sin. To say God hates sin is to be semantically fuzzy. Hate, as it is usually seen is an emotion so powerful, it can only tie to personal beings. To say "I hate broccoli" uses a very petty and somewhat improper expression of emotion. Since sin is impersonal "hates" is less accurate than, "longs for the absance of." Satan did not "create" sin. He was the first to do it, but God created the possibility of sin. Sin is a natural element of freedom. If God had not allowed his creations to choose sin, they would amount to a big sign saying "Go God." God loved his creations enough to give them this freedom, to choose that which is contrary to Him. Also it is evident that God does not hate Satan. If God were to feel hate on the level we do for one being, tha being would be wiped from existance and time. Imagine, the mind which created the world in furious hate towards one thing; that thing could not continue to exist. I guess I'll repeat myself Proverbs 6:16-19 states: These six things the LORD hates, Yes, seven are an abomination to Him: A proud look A lying tongue Hands that shed innocent blood A heart that devises wicked plans Feet that are swift in running to evil A false witness who speaks lies And one who sows discord among brethren. -NKJV _____________________ notice the "one" in this, meaning 3rd person. Although this translation uses the word "hate" it is not entirely representative of how we see that word. If God "hates" shedders of innocent blood, why does he allow them to live. Take Cain for example. He murdered his brother, whom the God loved, in cold blood, yet God still saw fit to preserve Cain's life against the wrath of others. My clain that since God is Love, He does not hate. He may disipline and condem actions, but He never feels the unconditional hate people can feel. And thank you Cometh for correcting me, it is fale to say God cannot hate. It is, however, true to say God will not hate. This point came up in a discussion I had about the seeming paradox of God being all powerful and perfect. The question was: "perfection implies that you do not contradict yourself, since God is perfect, is this not something He is unable to do? If so, does that not contradict His being all-powerful?" This, like hate, is an instance of God's wisdom coming into play. Basically, God can hate and he can contradict Himself, but He doesn't. God can destroy Himself but he chooses not to. God hating would be as much of a self-contradiction as microwaving a burrido so hot that He Himself could not eat it. why? because he LOVED Cain too.
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Posted: Thu Dec 14, 2006 3:23 pm
I am not a very literate person (as you all may know already) but I believe he DOES love Satan for he loves all, whether they are enemies or not.
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