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cibarium

Noob

PostPosted: Sun Aug 27, 2006 10:13 am


Hahaha, I know that's about who the parents are, but see. They were highly economical businessfolk, and were slightly obsessed with Janice's genius and did anything and everything they thought would "help it along". Never in her history did I say that any of the methods actually worked. :P Her intelligence is for the most part completely inherent. :3 But the forcedly encouraging environment might have assisted somewhat in the long run; who knows? XD

Genius parents don't give birth to genius children, and the flip side holds true: my own parents have rather average intelligence, and my own IQ is around 145. And even smart people make mistakes... but you can say that her biological mother was smart in the sense that she put Janice up for adoption / foster care instead of trying to support her herself, which is usually fodder for all sorts of mess.

Having her parents adopt her as little more than a business venture is a little bit odd, I admit, but I personally think people marry and so on for reasons like that more than we realize. There are countless cases of kids being forced to becomes musical performers or whathaveyou because their parents are using them to realize dreams unfulfilled- this really isn't that much different.

Perhaps I should add in that they were pressing her to go into mathematics- more specifically, statistics and economic trends. I've had that in mind for a while, but I neglected to type it down. XD

182 is unusually high, but I want to emphasize that she is a tried-and-true genius, born that way, never gonna change barring brain damage caused by a horrible injury.

Annoying other characters is a bit of the why, I admit, but I also think she has a lot of potential for development of her own as she learns more about social dynamics while trying to fight ever-growing reclusive instincts. Janice could become pretty helpful and even friendly to some people- it's not like she's going to sit in the middle of the island and spout out fun facts about gastropods or whathave you. The theme is more "conflict" than "annoyance".

Hoanyway, thanks for the crit. XD~
PostPosted: Sun Aug 27, 2006 10:28 am


Ahhhhhhhhh yes, that makes sense. And yup, I missed that when I first read. That it was attempts to make her smarter yet not said in her bio if it worked. And I didn't know that about IQ being inherited, that's interesting. Like I said, me + biology = no good. I can understand the psycholigical/social/etc aspects of it but bring in the scientific things and I'm lost.

145?? D: I hate you, you're smarter then me by a lot. The last time I was tested, which was in highschool, I was 135.2 or was it 132.5, lmao, one of the two. *emos* But I'm a ditz soooo I don't always read off as smart. XD

I forgot to mention this before but I LIKE that her parents adopted her as a buisiness venture. That just amuses me so much because while it's really sad in away, it does happen. Plus it could make for some very closed off and maybe emotionless relationships between her and her parents.

182 is high, but it's believable. I think there's a president with that same IQ but I can't remember which one it is.

YAY! I was really hoping that's how you were taking the character. I think Janice's reactions to the other islanders will be really interesting. And I could definitely see some growth with this character, socially wise, when she does get on the island. <333

and your welcome!

Forbidden Filly


cibarium

Noob

PostPosted: Thu Aug 31, 2006 7:40 am


Hooray eye study!

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Nautili have crappy eyes; I need to do a bit more research on them.
PostPosted: Sat Sep 02, 2006 10:20 am


I'm a sucker for the little details. I'd say overall things look good. I love the adoption for publicity angle once her IQ was discovered, ditto the social awkwardness coupled with it. What I wonder though, is if Janice has any interests outside of science... or if her idea of fun is contained within that, too. Does she make Punnett Squares using the people she knows just for the hell of it? Mathematical equations when bored?

I can't really get much of a picture of her beyond she's a shy, awkward scientist, which isn't a bad place to start.

What kind of books does she read? What genre of movies does she like the most? What are her hobbies? Does she even bother with that stuff? What annoys her more than anything? What does she love?

Lots of questions, I know, but there's more. It's all the kind of stuff overachieving actors ask themselves, even with characters that die in the first five minutes of the film.

What are some of her most notable achievements? The ones that really stick in Moreau's craw (I don't get to say craw enough, heh heh). Once she's on the island, what would she do to pass the time?

Because of her parents, I think she might be afraid of getting to close or vested in people for fear that they might try and use her. But then again shyness coupled with that would probably make forming friendships even harder.

Anyway, those are just my thoughts. The character concept's good to start with, and I love the animal choice, I think it just needs a little rounding off.

Sylan


cibarium

Noob

PostPosted: Sat Sep 02, 2006 10:32 am


Thanks a lot, Sylan! I've actually been doing some thought on that.

I know for a fact that she hates Mozart and Shakespeare and Dante's Inferno and all of those little things that geniuses are supposed to have a higher respect for, mainly because her parents tried to force those habits on her.

Her favorite movie is the Blues Brothers, of all things, and even though she loves all of the stuff she can pick up from textbooks, I imagine that she has a collection of books written for the entertainment value (though probably straying from most sci-fi because of the rampant biological inaccuracy in them). As for nerdy things she does for fun, she'll often sit down and try to think up an entire ecosystem "from scratch". She has a fondness for banana-flavored popsicles- I don't know why; just think it's cute. Her favorite genre of music is probably reggae, because the style and implications are totally different from the classical music that was constantly drilled through her ears in her childhood.

She'll disappear for days or weeks at a time from the general public: most everyone makes the conclusion that it's always her locking herself in her apartment and writing out thesis after thesis, rarely pausing to even eat or sleep. This is true sometimes, but she'll often sneak out and go outside- often to parks, or just wandering around the cities / suburbs and philosophizing.

Her most grating achievment is basically the fact that she is a celebrated genius and just about everyone in the scientific loves her- she's younger than Moreau, yet infinitely more accomplished than him. XD;


I better polish these things and add them to her persona. Thanks for making me get off my a**. XD
PostPosted: Sat Sep 02, 2006 10:55 am


Mouse Pachinkorelli

Her most grating achievment is basically the fact that she is a celebrated genius and just about everyone in the scientific loves her- she's younger than Moreau, yet infinitely more accomplished than him. XD;


But what I don't get are her actual achievements. Has she developed any new theories? Disproven a few? Made pigs fly? Has she done gobs of research on a certain subject? Published papers? Developed a time machine?

That's what I wanna know. What exactly has she accomplished? Why does the scientific community love her and what does Moreau shake his fist in ire over?

Sylan


cibarium

Noob

PostPosted: Sat Sep 02, 2006 11:12 am


Ahhh, I see. Right-o. XD; Well, for one, she published a book that's touched on in her history.

Along with that, she's probably published a good amount of theses that mostly deal in evolutionary biology and genetics. Perhaps she has a widely-regarded thesis on gene therapy that basically covers almost exactly the conclusions Moreau made on his own and are the basis of his research. I imagine that alone would probably piss him off quite immensely.
PostPosted: Sat Sep 02, 2006 7:01 pm


Thanks to Sylan's critique, I have doubled in length the deliberations on Janice's personality and added a bit more in her history and arrival reasons about why Moreau would hate her so much. :]

cibarium

Noob


Molten Tigrex

Shameless Hunter

PostPosted: Sun Sep 03, 2006 11:09 am


Ok the critique you wanted D:

I know it fits in with your character background, but there are a LOT of young people in their early to mid 20's already on the island. Just saying.

I like how you maintain that she's unattractive ^^ Most people are unwilling to make their character anything other than inexplicably beautiful or handsome, which gets old.

I know you have the main idea of your character, which is bland scientific genius, but it's always good to make sure your character has quirks and depth. So here's some questions to consider, you don't HAVE to answer them, but think about them.

Does she have any friends? Co-workers of note? Other enemies she's run into besides Moreau? Has she ever had a crush on anyone while she was a teen or beyond? Anyone besides her foster parents who may have made lasting imprints on her life? Does she have any possessions she considers valuable, any places she wants to go see, people she'd like to meet, any aspirations for her future, any goals for her science? Are there things she hates/fears?

All in all I like it though ^^
PostPosted: Sun Sep 03, 2006 11:17 am


She hates things she's stereotypically supposed to love, and her greatest fear is probably the long-term effects of nuclear radiation.

Friends? Hmmm. Besides homework-copiers in grade school, I dunno! Probably has good relationships with some of her former professors. :3 I'll have to flesh that out in her history quite a bit, since there's a lot of potential there that could carry on to her personality now. I could also probably expound on the fellow student or whoever who introduced her to the Blues Brothers and gave her that revelation that you can't spend all of life behind books. X)

Hell, I could do a LOT with her professors. I imagine that at least one of them tried fervently to discourage her from publishing her book (which, ironically, is her claim to public fame).

Thanks for bringing up those thoughts, Tigs. x3

cibarium

Noob


cibarium

Noob

PostPosted: Sun Sep 03, 2006 9:01 pm


Hooray extended history! X)
PostPosted: Sat Sep 09, 2006 7:50 am


Oh hey, nautili take 5 years to reach sexual maturity, and are the longest-lived cephalopod. Up to ten years!

Nautili raised in captivity also develop black, deformed shells:
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The site I got this from says that their eyes have no lenses, which I guess makes sense from looking at them.

cibarium

Noob


MrFallenKitten

PostPosted: Sat Sep 09, 2006 8:40 am


Hey Mouse,

A couple things about this character and the way science interacts with genius.

First you need to recognize this is a "power" fantasy character. The character is twenty years old, has produced a world changing book and the number of people with equal intellegence can be counted on one hand. This is not a killing point but it is something you need to be aware of.

On science. No matter how smart you are, science takes time. I've worked under a child progedy, he is younger than some of his students, but that has no effect on how long it takes to get a paper published. If anything it takes longer because it has to be perfect. Your character's book, while it might be insightfull would probably barely make a splash as it contains no orginal research and will provide no evidence to prove the theories it contians. If you look at history geniuses will often need to spend years working to prove their theories to the scientific community before they receive recognition.

Just things to think about.

*Cutefuz is not an embittered grad student, not at all*
PostPosted: Sun Sep 10, 2006 7:35 am


CuteFuz, in my defense, Nicholas Moreau is about 30 and he can turn people into animals and plants, which means he probably knows the human genome from all angles as well as a lot about the genetic structure of countless organisms.


I should probably play down the power of the book a bit, but my character did consult with her professors and anyone else with more knowledge in order to write it. I imagine that if it has "supported by these old guys with doctorates in evolutionary biology and ecology" stuck on the cover, then it would have a bit more sway.

Books about the future aren't exactly easy to back with hard evidence- look at all the stuff in the 1950's that said that we should have hovercars and self-aware robots now. The book itself probably isn't recognized for the actual theories, but for environmental awareness it spurred and its recognition of how versatile adaptation can be.

She's not an even twenty- she's 24. That's four more years in college. Which is a total of twelve years, and that doesn't address all of the work she probably did over the summer. So three months out of each year for twelve years is about the equivalent of three more years of university study, yes? The book wasn't written and published in the span of writing a term paper. She started writing it probably at around the age of twenty.

cibarium

Noob


MrFallenKitten

PostPosted: Sun Sep 10, 2006 7:35 pm


Hehe, Moreau's ablities certianly shoot big ol' hole in the boat of traditional scienifitic knowlege. You should keep in mind thought that the good doctor had unlimited resources right after he recieved his doctorate. He didn't have to jump through hoops like tenure, post-docs and securing funding through grants.

What you might want to consider is that her doctoral thesis contains a reinteruptation of old data that points to one of Dr. Moreau's key "secrets" which form the basis of the serums. Moreau might then snatch her to prevent her from elaborating on the idea and proving it in the academenic setting.

The question remains at that point is why is she a subject instead of on the staff?
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