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Posted: Thu Aug 23, 2007 7:05 pm
Ciel Avec Cafeine ............... Quote: 1. Our teeth. Just because we have like 4 slightly sharp teeth does NOT mean those teeth are for tearing flesh. Our "canines" aren't true canines, they're actually referred to as "semi-canines." If any meatie tries to claim our teeth are for tearing flesh, tell them to try and bite into a dead cow and see how far they get. Yet people are capable of eating meat with their teeth. They can still chew it. Again, I'm not saying we were "meant" to do anything, I'm just saying that we're perfectly capable of chewing meat. ................ I do respect your views, and possibly a better term would be "we weren't designed to eat meat" but as to the the quote above, go to the store, buy a whole chicken and eat it raw, using just your teeth and fingers. I dare you to try it! We can chew meat because we cook it and tenderize it and use utensils.
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Posted: Thu Feb 26, 2009 5:22 am
1. Our teeth. Just because we have like 4 slightly sharp teeth does NOT mean those teeth are for tearing flesh. Our "canines" aren't true canines, they're actually referred to as "semi-canines." If any meatie tries to claim our teeth are for tearing flesh, tell them to try and bite into a dead cow and see how far they get.
Nope, some gorillas have huge canines and incisors... as do carnivores. We are omnivores... plus, as observed from fossil evidence, along the course of evolution our teeth got smaller BECAUSE we were eating meat. Meat would have been softer than those chewy plant fibres. Especially when we made tools and fire... soft, cooked, cut, meat. No need for huge teeth.
2. Along the same line as the teeth thing: our fingers. Notice anything? We don't have claws! So we can't bite into a dead animal, and we can't claw it open either! We have to make tools to do this for us, and we might as well be using our tools to harvest veggies and fruit like our bodies are meant to!
Again, very early on we were herbivores. When we became carnivores the protein and fats allowed for cognative development... we were smart, we made tools, we were highly successful! you can't just grow claws because you want to. That's not how evolution works. It works by natural selection... and in this case, it was the smart ones who survived, not the ones with big fingernails or anything.
3. Yes, our bodies are meant to eat fruits and veggies. We have a LONG digestive tract, like other herbivores, whereas carnivores have a short digestive tract to get the meat out of their system quicker. Guess what meat does in the human body? ROTS. It sits and rots in your digestive tract because it takes sooooo long to be broken down. Why, because our bodies weren't meant to!
We don't have a long digestive tract... we have a medium one. A lot of herbivores have several stomachs or special sacs where fermentation of plant matter can take place. Or very very long intestinal tracts. We don't. Also, meat DOES NOT rot in our digestive tract. It gets digested and broken up into its constituent fats and proteins. Meat is VERY QUICKLY digested, thus why carnivores have SHORT digestive tracts.
4. Another thing I realized, how come humans are the only animals who have to COOK meat before they eat it, otherwise we'll get sick? Think about that. You can't just bite into a dead animal and eat it, you have to use fire to cook it so it can be eaten. Tell me this doesn't say that humans aren't meant to be eating meat!
Er, we used to eat it raw. Back in the day, our immune systems would have been under constant assult, and therefore more up to the challenge. We were more hardy. We were used to it. You probably wouldn't get sick, if you freshly killed something and ate it. It would be grose, but ... it isn't poisonous or anything. I think we could without getting sick. We cooked because it made life easier. The meat was less chewy and easier to eat.
5. And last, obviously we aren't exactly able to chase down a deer to kill it, now are we? Again, we had to develop weapons and whatnot to catch animals because our bodies aren't able to do it by themselves.
Well, we were herbivores to start off with. Then we ate meat, which allowed our brains to develop. Without meat, we WOULD NOT have elvolved to what we are today. There was no need for us to change because the tools worked fine for us. If we needed to be big and clawy and fast then we would have evolved that way, that's how natural selection works. The survival of the fittest. Obviously tools worked better, the smart ones who made the better tools survived.
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Posted: Thu Jul 16, 2009 10:58 am
Taeryyn First of all, by saying we were "meant" to do anything is like saying that our evolution was predetermined. I don't think humans were "meant" to do anything. But that IS how we evolved. Eating meat, as well as plants. if you have proof that states that our ancestors were all vegetarian, please, feel free to actually provide it. uhhhh, no. humans have not evolved at all. and we never will, we dont HAVE to evolve to be able to eat meat? lol. that was an uninformed, uneducated response. there is no way to deny that we are meant to be Herbivores. i agree, with ScreamingVegan. and another thing is, it is unnatural to be fat. When you are on a Vegan diet, it is high in fiber and low in fat, therefore vegans are usually skinny. If we were meant to eat meat, are metabolism would be faster and we would be able to break it down, therefore we wouldnt have the growing obesity problem.
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Posted: Fri Aug 28, 2009 7:58 pm
I think that you have good points but being that I have eaten meat for 35 years I do like it but i am open to eating your way, I just could not totally go that way completly. I have a daughter that is vegetairaian and I support her 100% and I try everything that I make her. Some I like, some I dont. Some times I choose to eat what I make for her some times I dont but I do respect her beliefs as well as she respects mine.
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Posted: Wed Nov 25, 2009 9:58 pm
wow, i really like your argument it makes a lot of sense wish more people would realize this
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Posted: Tue Dec 22, 2009 11:31 pm
ScreamingVegan Eating meat has made humans blood-thirsty monsters, even turning on eachother. If people didn't kill animals, you can be sure they wouldn't have started killing eachother, either. At least that is my opinion. I think this is totally true, because we were so blindly cruel to animals when the human race started to farm them that we were ok with being cruel to other humans. The invention of the assembly line of slaughter houses in America gave Hitler the ideas for the way to kill the Jews in WWII (that's not a made up fact ok) "Animals, Slavery, and the Holocaust" Charles Patterson
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Posted: Sat Dec 26, 2009 10:34 am
[ Hydeist ] ScreamingVegan Eating meat has made humans blood-thirsty monsters, even turning on eachother. If people didn't kill animals, you can be sure they wouldn't have started killing eachother, either. At least that is my opinion. I think this is totally true, because we were so blindly cruel to animals when the human race started to farm them that we were ok with being cruel to other humans. The invention of the assembly line of slaughter houses in America gave Hitler the ideas for the way to kill the Jews in WWII (that's not a made up fact ok) "Animals, Slavery, and the Holocaust" Charles PattersonBoth of you make me want to seriously vomit and wonder where your common sense went. Do you guys intentionally forget that dolphins have been observed to murder and rape for pleasure? Or that wolves, lions, and other pack animals kill other rival packs or prides for territorial disputes? That's called war in the animal world, my friends. Or that the same pack animals will kill the young of other pack animals (read: lions will kill cheetah cubs) to eliminate predator competition? Or maybe that mountain lions don't select the sickest and weakest of prey animals for a meal but will ambush any type of prey, even strong, healthy ones? You're stereotyping the animal world to make us look like complete barbarians or to make us look worse than we really are. Sure, I agree that some of the stuff we do is completely inhumane and ridiculous, but so is the sad, sadistic world of the animal kingdom. Nature isn't all fluffy bunnies and rainbows. You need to open your eyes to the fact that other animals can and will kill other animals, especially within the same species, naturally. What makes humans any different? We've developed tools to make killing much more efficient, faster, and with a higher body count? Yes, it's atrocious, but that's how we developed, and you better believe if animals could develop a more efficient way they would too. The only difference is that we found it, made it, and utilized it. This thing about the holocaust and factory assembly lines bears no relevance to this entire topic. It's in the past and there's nothing you can do about it now. Quit whining and being emo about the human race and how "unnatural" it is and start finding solutions on how to fix the problems we have now. And for God's sake, stop closing your eyes to reality, it's beyond ridiculous how selectively blind you two are.
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Posted: Sat Dec 26, 2009 6:26 pm
i agree i mean god gave us all the nutrition we need in veggies, fruits, animal producing like milk, and soy for protein.
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Posted: Sat Sep 11, 2010 5:18 am
I believe we evolved to eat meat. We also evolved in an environment (the wild) different to the one we live in now. When we lived in the wild we needed meat because it was higher in energy, and had certain nutrients we needed.
However, nowadays we don't need as much energy. It's also easier to get the nutrients, such as iron, from plant-based options because instead of having to find enough plants to get the nutrients, we can now go to a shop and buy them. Strict vegans also can get supplements for B12, which is only found in animals and animal products.
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