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Posted: Thu Dec 14, 2006 7:02 am
Ok, you scared me for a bit. I thought I'd accidentally invited someone who didn't have a clue about Gundam Wing... sweatdrop
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Posted: Thu Dec 14, 2006 7:29 am
Funny enough after thinking on it Murrue Ramius does seem somewhat familliar to Relena in a lot of ways spreading the ideal of peaceful living instead of war and all that. And out of her and Relena being voice by Lisa Anne Beley I like Murrue Ramius a lot more. Probably because Murrue is VERY willing to back up her words with actual action, wether it be through space battles or otherwise.
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Posted: Thu Dec 14, 2006 11:11 am
Preventer Void Her first impression wasn't that bad at all, people just like over-exaggerating things. Seriously, this is the exact transcript of her first lines in the show: DARLIAN: What's the matter Relena? Aren't you glad to be coming home to Earth? RELENA: No, not a bit. DARLIAN: Sorry I couldn't spend time with you. Work keeps interfering. RELENA: Father, next time we go out to space how about leaving yourself a little free time? This, apparently, makes her a brat. But has anyone really stopped and thought about it? Firstly, 14-year-old girls don't usually go on their fathers' business trips. The dialogue implies that Darlian brought Relena along because he thought he'd have the time to spend with her, but it didn't happen. So, when you get right down to it, she's upset because he broke a promise; granted, he is a busy man and I'm sure she understands that, but I get a distinct feeling that this has happened many times in the past, and she's getting frustrated with it. Really, who can blame her? And honestly, I'm really not hot on the whole idea of crossover relationships. The only way to get two shows as completely different as Sailor Moon and Gundam Wing together is to basically rip the guts out of one and force-fit it into the other's universe, either by "reincarnating" the boys in modern-day Japan or "reincarnating" the girls in the After Colony. The only other option is to tear both apart and mash them into an "original" universe. But if you do any of that, then you're really not dealing with SM or GW anymore, are you? You're dealing with characters who are pale imitations. To me, that doesn't speak of loving or respecting the anime involved. Besides, Usagi/Serena/Bunny/whatever already HAS somebody; granted, he can be a real jerk at times, but that's the funny thing about destiny... razz ~Ok, I seen that you don't like crossover, that's fine. Not alot of people do. I like crossover cause it a different outlook of two shows that I like. It plays with my imagination. Its just fun. It gives you the chance to experiment, making you the artist and thinking how the story should go or what would happen if you combine these shows together.I don't write crossover myself, but I have read alot of them and found out that some people had the same idea as me. ~Again its just fun. It is no way disrespectful to the anime. And you think to be saying that I have no repect or don't love of the anime, because that is clearly how you are saying it. I lov anime. I lov it because I like the way characters are drawn and the story line. Sometimes I won't watch an anime because I didn't like how it was drawn or how the story was going. but I'm probably not the only one who thinks that. Again that is just how I feel. Am I wrong to feel that way??? ~I know it's hard to talk in writing, because they are often misinterprete, and I may have misinterprete this comment and previous comments. And I would like to apologize if I seem rude, but it would be nice if you just respect my opinion and let it go. I don't want to argue, I just wanted to post my opinion, and let it be. That is what I though this forum was. Also I would like to note, (and don't take this personally) that you didn't seem to comment on anyone else who didn't like Relena and bash them, just me. I just wanted to point that out. ~(for all ) If I get kicked out of the guild for what I just said, I would like to apologize in advance. Thank you.
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Posted: Fri Dec 15, 2006 1:45 am
I don't think you'ld get kicked out of the guild for something like that.
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Posted: Mon Dec 18, 2006 6:46 am
Does Heero ever get a wedgie??!?!!? sweatdrop
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Posted: Tue Dec 19, 2006 3:47 am
huh? Do you mean because of the tight sort of stuff he wears or what?
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Posted: Tue Dec 19, 2006 11:53 am
I've often wondered about that. Everyone always says his pants are spandex so he should have a lot of problems walking around in public wearing something that tight.
Anyway, I've noticed as rewatching the series with a friend who has never seen Gundam Wing before that all the characters basically have flaws at least in the beginning. But as you watch the series, you notice that some of the flaws diminish or if you read Episode Zero, you understand why they act that way. But here are the flaws that bother me. And I also will end up defending them, I'm sure, even though that's not the intent.
Heero - in the beginning, he's very suicidal. He's torn between living and fighting or dying because people have seen him. I'm glad that eventually he stops trying to kill himself so much. He also seems very emotional-less, which is also a problem for me.
Duo - it's not so much a problem with Duo. Duo is more outgoing, more active than the others which makes people see him as hyper and sometimes it doesn't seem like he thinks before doing something so people think he is an idiot. But if he were an idiot, why would he be piloting a Gundam? I mean I have a problem writing Duo accurately in my fanfics. You need the right mix of insanity and brilliance to truly capture Duo Maxwell.
Trowa - I originally did not like Trowa much. He seemed very cold and emotional-less, like Heero. I did reverse my feelings about him when he helped Wufei and Heero (and when he actually laughed). Despite the fact that it's cool, Trowa's hair is distracting. In a series where nearly all of the hairstyles are realistic, you have Trowa's hair. I found myself wondering about it.
Quatre - He is effeminate. He's very open and trusting among four other pilots, three of whom are closed off early in the series, hence the scene of him and Trowa and the barge. He just seems a little out of sequen with the other pilots.
Wufei - Wufei was originally my least favorite charcter. He seems too self-righteous and the viewers don't know why. He also seems sexist with his infamous "I don't kill bleeding hearts or women" speech. And all the comics make fun of him running around yelling "Nataku" and "Injustice". Episode Zero helped a lot in his case. He's no longer my least favorite character.
Zechs - I don't go much for the "I'm not worthy of my identity" thing.
Treize - He's sneaky and underhanded, but that's all I see bad with him. I feel he gets a lot of his bad rap because he is a badguy character. (He's not your typical badguy character).
Relena - at least in the beginning, she's Heero obsessed. She kind of mellows out after that. I feel that people spend too much time focusing on that though.
Have you noticed that almost all the women in the series are obsessed with at least one guy? That is my flaw for most of the women. Just plain obsession gets on my nerves. Depending how it's handled, I don't have so much of a problem, like Catherine and Trowa. She's not obsessed in love with him; she's out to protect him.
That leads to another flaw, partially character, but mostly the show in general. Pairings. There are few pairings I could see and almost none that would work perfectly. The main characters, however, are forced with people they've never really interacted with or other pilots. Most of the yaoi combinations I can not see, including the most popular one. In some vague way, one is possible (you know which one I'm talking about). But there is nothing blatantly obvious accept for Zechs and Noin, Une's affection for Treize with some reciprocation...oh, well.
My rant got kinda off topic. Sorry. sweatdrop
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Posted: Thu Dec 21, 2006 11:18 am
I only have one problem with any of the pilots and that is Wufei's outfit in the begining of Endless Waltz (atleast I think it's Endless Waltz). It makes him look like part of the Hitler Youth. mad
But I really have no problem with any of their personalities.
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Preventer Void Vice Captain
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Posted: Thu Dec 21, 2006 4:51 pm
Someone on another board I frequent just called Relena emo. O_o;; I wish people would learn what that phrase MEANT before throwing it around so carelessly...
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Posted: Sat Dec 23, 2006 4:00 pm
Preventer Void Someone on another board I frequent just called Relena emo. O_o;; I wish people would learn what that phrase MEANT before throwing it around so carelessly... Yeah, seriously. stressed People come up with these phrase and then use them so much that the meaning is lost completely. Relena is one of the least emo characters I've seen. For that matter, none of the characters are truly emo.
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Posted: Mon Dec 25, 2006 7:42 pm
[Chang_Wufei] Heero - in the beginning, he's very suicidal. He's torn between living and fighting or dying because people have seen him. I'm glad that eventually he stops trying to kill himself so much. He also seems very emotional-less, which is also a problem for me. *Cough* I already went on about the suicidal thing (in fact, I went on for about three paragraphs too long, see page 4), but emotionless is a word I find unfitting for him. He feels emotions- often quite deeply. Simply because he expresses them about as well as a small, dead puppy doesn't mean that he's lacking. I think what it is is merely expressing what he's feeling in inappropriate ways (explosion=funny) or choosing not to express them (wouldn't that indicate upbringing?). In fact, my stand on Heero is that he's a pretty egotistical p***k. Very big superiority complex. In fact, just like normal boys his age, he laughs at explosions, shows off in front of other boys, and completely disregards the feelings of other human beings. surprised
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Posted: Wed Dec 27, 2006 1:13 pm
Ivydoll [Chang_Wufei] Heero - in the beginning, he's very suicidal. He's torn between living and fighting or dying because people have seen him. I'm glad that eventually he stops trying to kill himself so much. He also seems very emotional-less, which is also a problem for me. *Cough* I already went on about the suicidal thing (in fact, I went on for about three paragraphs too long, see page 4), but emotionless is a word I find unfitting for him. He feels emotions- often quite deeply. Simply because he expresses them about as well as a small, dead puppy doesn't mean that he's lacking. I think what it is is merely expressing what he's feeling in inappropriate ways (explosion=funny) or choosing not to express them (wouldn't that indicate upbringing?). In fact, my stand on Heero is that he's a pretty egotistical p***k. Very big superiority complex. In fact, just like normal boys his age, he laughs at explosions, shows off in front of other boys, and completely disregards the feelings of other human beings. surprised I agree. It seems that [Chang_Wufei] has his information incorrect about the whole suicide thing. However, I feel that he wasn't saying that Heero is emotional-less. I got the feeling that he was saying that because Heero puts off that facade, he was put off by the character, at least initially. Of course, that's just how I read that statement. neutral I do agree with Devil on Sugar though. The outfit that Wufei wore in Endless Waltz was absolutely horrible. I know other people wore them too, but they were still horrible. Either a bad boy scout uniform or, as Devil on Sugar put it, Hitler Youth. burning_eyes
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Posted: Wed Dec 27, 2006 10:04 pm
[Quatre_R_Winner] Ivydoll [Chang_Wufei] Heero - He also seems very emotional-less, which is also a problem for me. In fact, my stand on Heero is that he's a pretty egotistical p***k. Very big superiority complex. In fact, just like normal boys his age, he laughs at explosions, shows off in front of other boys, and completely disregards the feelings of other human beings. surprised I agree. It seems that [Chang_Wufei] has his information incorrect about the whole suicide thing. However, I feel that he wasn't saying that Heero is emotional-less. I got the feeling that he was saying that because Heero puts off that facade, he was put off by the character, at least initially. Of course, that's just how I read that statement. neutral Yes, I can see that. 3nodding (I kind of want to draw a picture of Wufei saluting in that uniform, with the words "Sieg Heil!" written across. XP /bad person.)
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Posted: Wed Dec 27, 2006 11:04 pm
Would it suprise anyone to learn that the Mariemaia Army uniforms were modelled on the Hitler Youth uniforms? <_<
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Preventer Void Vice Captain
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Posted: Fri Dec 29, 2006 1:14 pm
I don't find character flaws annoying. I think they make the characters real and add dimension and conflict to the story. In fact, you could say their flaws make me love them even more.
The Pilots
Heero Yuy He's the perfect soldier, but he's also a fifteen-year-old trying to fight and survive in a war-torn world. And people wonder why he walks away with some psychological confusion and distress? *kisses Heero* There, there.
Duo Maxwell I admire him for his retaining a sense of humor despite everything. It would have been so easy for him to become bitter, even though it seems that his optimism is only skin-deep, especially when he climbs into his gundam and becomes Shinigami.
Trowa Barton Trowa really doesn't do much of anything, positive or negative. His personality is hidden under a mask of stoicism throughout most of the series. And that just makes him all the more mysterious and alluring.
Quatre Raberba Winner I like Quatre. I think he's sweet, and sensative, and that out of all the other gundam pilots, he's the one who has the most healthy outlook to fighting. He doesn't really want to do it, but as a last resort he's willing to give it all he's got because it's what's right.
Wufei Chang He is somewhat sexist, though he seems to respect women if they're not weak on the battlefield. I have to say his goal of justice is endearing, even if it is sometimes creepy and idealistic - in a very angry and emotional sort of way. sweatdrop
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Treize Khushrenada He's a very alluring character; who would have thought an evil-type-dictator could have such a sincere care for his soldiers and friends? He's an example of one of those characters doing the wrong thing for the right reasons. But he does drive Lady Une to a split personality, and being the feminist I am (yeah, right!), that is just not right.
Zechs Merquise/Milliardo Peacecraft The mask . . . is weird. And like Lady Une said, he is harsh to Noin and sometimes a bit agenda-focused, and not so sister-focused. But I think that that adds complexity to his character because you can see the struggle between his personal desires and these huge socio-political ambitions.
Lucrezia Noin Noin is a bit obsessed about Zechs. I guess she's just in love. I just wish the poor woman could get some attention. And there are certain things a girl should just not do, no matter how much she likes a guy, and that includes hurting yourself by doing worse in your final exam because you want the one you love to come out on top. That's dishonest, to him and to yourself.
Lady Une I don't like mean Lady Une. I think she's . . . well . . . mean. And I can't get my head around her split personality disorder. I've read articles and seen movies on the thing, and psychologicall, it's supposed to be like there are two different people living inside one body. That just creeps me out and makes me uncomfortable. It's like, "Which Une am I talking to this time?" sweatdrop The nice Colonel Une, though, is cool.
Other Characters
Relena Darlian/Peacecraft In the beginning, I don't really like her. She's a sheltered, young, rich girl who's one of the most popular in her class, and her idea of devastating is when the new boy tears up her birthday party invitation. But she does mature throughout the series, going through a lot of conflicting stages yet keeping her head (and at such a young age!), and I respect her for that.
Hilde Schbeiker She's your typical good girl, growing up in a tragic era. I think she does well for herself, all things considered. Oh, yeah, did that sound like I meant Duo? I didn't, but yeah, you can go ahead and count him. *grin*
Catherine Bloom I like her. I like the fact that she's sort of outside the whole war-and-politics drama. It's a nice reminder that there are still other things going on in the world - people are still dying, still having birthdays, still giving birth, still having marital problems, still worrying about getting their drivers' liscenses, still worrying about the next paycheck - and I think she brings in a much-needed element of the "other" into the series. It just seems like she wants to have these thigns, along with her supposed-brother, and leave the dealing-with-the-future-of-the-universe stuff to the big dogs.
Dorothy Catalonia I just love her. I don't know why, because I usually don't like bad girl types. But I think she's intelligent, witty, and courageous. She's also a bit twisted and malicious, but one can attribute that to the growing up in a politically spotlighted family during social-economic turmoil. In the end, a bit of her humanity comes out, and that's what makes all the stuff on the outside meaningful.
Sally Po She's a smart, responsible, capable woman, and I can't think of any flaws for her right now.
Mariemaia Barton/Khushrenada She was bratty, but imagine a child always knowning that she was the daughter of huge celebrity-like figures and having the pressure of taking over the world from her grandfather. You'd be messed up, too.
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