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ZonkotheSane

PostPosted: Sun Apr 16, 2006 1:25 pm


darkphoenix1247
I highly doubt the Torah commented on trans-gender operations xd blaugh
the torah covers everything. maybe it's not spelled out for you, but it's there.
PostPosted: Sun Apr 16, 2006 3:44 pm


ZonkotheSane
darkphoenix1247
I highly doubt the Torah commented on trans-gender operations xd blaugh
the torah covers everything. maybe it's not spelled out for you, but it's there.


The Torah basically spelled out the blueprints of how we should live our world. If a person has the correct grasp on the Torah, he should understand that trans-gender is wrong. Just like a plumber wont connect a pipe to an electrical socket. It just doesn't go 3nodding .

nathan_ngl
Crew


The Original Sock Fairy

PostPosted: Fri Apr 21, 2006 11:16 pm


ok, I believe in a some evolution (even though I am religious in my views...my opinion on the creation is a little un-orthodox *hee hee...jewish pun sortof*) and so...I was wondering...if we are evolving away from needing foreskin (i give exibit A by showing that some babies are born without it) what would we do? Ive read up on the commandments about it and it says that the baby, if born without a circumcised, would be like...bled...so, would we have the same cermony just with a p***k instead of a cut?
PostPosted: Sat Apr 22, 2006 7:31 am


Queen_Nuria
ok, I believe in a some evolution (even though I am religious in my views...my opinion on the creation is a little un-orthodox *hee hee...jewish pun sortof*) and so...I was wondering...if we are evolving away from needing foreskin (i give exibit A by showing that some babies are born without it) what would we do? Ive read up on the commandments about it and it says that the baby, if born without a circumcised, would be like...bled...so, would we have the same cermony just with a p***k instead of a cut?


ok queen there is a difference between being born without something and getting it removed after you are born.

if i got my arm cut off right now that would have no effect on my genetics. now i fi was born without an arm due to genetics, then you could have some evoling going on.

okie dokie how do i explain in a simple way

if everyoen in the world had brown hair, and it was reallyreally really hot and brown hair only made people die sooner from heat stroke and such. okie dokie

so everyone was coloring their hair colorless after birth, so they wouldn't die.

then some kid is born with colorless hair and those kids live longer able to have more colorless haired kids. then you ahve evoloving going on and such.

after a long long long ... long time. all the brown hair people may be gone only leaving the colorless haired people there. ^.^

does that help at all? i tried to make it simple? you ahve to be born with or without something from genetics to even have the slights posiblity of evolotion. if it happens after birth it just sucks to be you.

so the answer is no
all the guys getting circumsized after birth with have no effect in any way shape or form on the evolutionary process.

YvetteEmilieDupont


SKJC

PostPosted: Sat Apr 22, 2006 9:04 am


I think she was asking what is done to Jewish boys who are born without a foreskin. Some people are, just like people are born without an appendix or wisdom teeth - Nature is getting rid of stuff that's just not necessary anymore.

There's a ceremony called the hatafat dam brit (I may have misspelled that) where a drop of blood is drawn from the head of the p***s in lieu of an actual circumcision, when a baby is circumcised in a hospital before the age of 8 days or when an already circumcised adult male converts to Judaism. I would imagine the same would be done to a child born without a foreskin at all.
PostPosted: Sat Apr 22, 2006 11:00 am


ah got it sorry got confused sweatdrop my bad loli'll just shut up

YvetteEmilieDupont


ZonkotheSane

PostPosted: Sat Apr 22, 2006 6:47 pm


YvetteEmilieDupont
ah got it sorry got confused sweatdrop my bad loli'll just shut up
it's ok. you actually did adress something i was going to....

anyway, babies being born without foreskins is in no way a product of evolution, chief reason being that darwins theories don't apply to human society-survival of the fittest really doesn't mean anything. also, the foreskin never really had any major purpose (beyond a sort of glide lubrication), and again, has no bearing on evolution.

so what you're hearing about is some random mutation.
PostPosted: Sun Apr 23, 2006 12:27 pm


and yet, evolution wasnt what I wanted to talk about...

The Original Sock Fairy


ZonkotheSane

PostPosted: Sun Apr 23, 2006 1:59 pm


Queen_Nuria
and yet, evolution wasnt what I wanted to talk about...
in the hypotheticall situation that a child is born without a foreskin, shoujo is right. it would be treated the same as someone who had the foreskin removed previously.

however, the question of evolution resulting in the total absence of foreskins as a normality is redundant. it is something that will never happen.
PostPosted: Sun Apr 23, 2006 8:11 pm


Ive been wondering about something cause I honestly dont know

circumcision is the mans covenent with god, but what is the womans?

Macaroni Jesus


ZonkotheSane

PostPosted: Mon Apr 24, 2006 5:49 pm


Donovinhs Knight
Ive been wondering about something cause I honestly dont know

circumcision is the mans covenent with god, but what is the womans?
circumcision isn't man's covenant with god; it's a sign of the jewish poeples' covenant, women included. after all, the child is also his mother's son.

i'm sure that's not the only reason, though.
PostPosted: Mon Apr 24, 2006 9:53 pm


speaking of covenent, this is probably my favorite take on it

http://www.thebricktestament.com/genesis/the_covenant/gn17_01-03.html

The Original Sock Fairy


ZonkotheSane

PostPosted: Tue Apr 25, 2006 6:22 pm


Queen_Nuria
speaking of covenent, this is probably my favorite take on it

http://www.thebricktestament.com/genesis/the_covenant/gn17_01-03.html
ok, i spotted at least 3 things very wrong with that.

1. hashem never said alot of that; angels, acting as emissaries did (avraham didn't even know they were angels at first)

2. sarah never said alot of that. "pleasure" has nothing to do with it, and she mentions herself as old, not her husband.

3. depicts hashem in an image.

4. the covenant and the news that avraham would have a son were two entirely different episodes, and in fact avraham had been circumcised three days before the angels told him he would have a son.

5. hashem's name (no pun intented) is not "yahweh". none of his names are "yahweh". and he has ALOT of names.
PostPosted: Tue Apr 25, 2006 6:28 pm


You do realise that you are taking something not meant to be taken seriously...way to seriously...right?

Macaroni Jesus


ZonkotheSane

PostPosted: Tue Apr 25, 2006 7:22 pm


Donovinhs Knight
You do realise that you are taking something not meant to be taken seriously...way to seriously...right?
i do that
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