Perhaps 6 mins is all that's needed to make a quick sketch? Besides, once you get started, it's difficult to stop drawing.
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Posted: Wed Oct 03, 2018 5:21 am
for a land scape its way differnt, i never hurd of some one drawing a land scape in 5 minutes.
it should be about 15 /30/45/ 60 mints , any thing less that that is not realy a sketch
even when we do do guesture drawing , yes we draw for 1 minute, but where drawing for 45 minutes straight 1 minutes posting, the time is verry nessisary.
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Posted: Wed Oct 03, 2018 5:25 am
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for a land scape its way differnt, i never hurd of some one drawing a land scape in 5 minutes.
it should be about 15 /30/45/ 60 mints , any thing less that that is not realy a sketch
even when we do do guesture drawing , yes we draw for 1 minute, but where drawing for 45 minutes straight 1 minutes poseing, the time is verry nessisary.
p.s even if you could draw that fast, and be good at it the point of drawing is to draw h.w. is h.w. for a reason , it helps you organize your self and make time out of your day, saying it something you have to do, the hope is it turns in to something you want to do and enjoy. thats my experience any way.
Posted: Wed Oct 03, 2018 6:20 am
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That's because they focus on the linework. If you only block in shapes, that's the start. After that you block in your main values, and only then start rendering and working in the details. When you approach it like quicksketching, it becomes less overwhelming and you cover more ground regarding composition and atmosphere. Detailed studies must then be made for motifs like trees, rocks, waves, etc - with regards to textures. The problem with being a beginner at landscapes is that people often try to capture every little detail when it's really unnecessary. The best landscape art is representational, only hinting at what is there. It's easy to become lost in creating 3 landscapes as a first assignment. It's not about perfection, but progress, right?
Just my 5 cents, that's all. You taught me to make things simpler and less overwhelming, didn't you?
In any case, it's like I said. You sit down to draw 6 mins and before you know it you've been drawing for an hour. It's about convincing the brain to stop being distracted and looking for an escape, and just do the work. "If I can focus for just 6 mins on creating this landscape..." is much easier "okay, I have an hour to do this landscape."
It's not about rushing, it's just to get to the point to make it happen and then not to become attached to the end result.
Also, I'm not sure what h.w. means?
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Posted: Wed Oct 03, 2018 6:47 am
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i have never thought to do a landscape quick sketch, nor would i suggest that method, landscape is another territory altogether, unless you want to be a abstract artist, and even then i wouldn't suggest it , one must understand the basic principle first , even children when working on landscapes are taught to think about the details, its just taught differently, if you leave things out it looks bad , my first note was landscape is not easy, and nor should it be some of the best master in the world have a hard time with it, its a whole world all on its own some people avoid it all together because it can be over whelming , however to break it down one can start with still life instead of the landscape, its the same principles but much less to draw. the sketch i drew took me maybe 30 minutes , but im a master landscape artist and i wanted to do more but i stopped my self because showing a finished piece dose not help any one , i wanted to show how the construction of a landscape is done.
to make my point even more clear people spend mount drawing and painting a landscape, that is the kind of energy it take to do good work. i am making this easy. i was taught if one spend to less time on something it was under vaule, and these where the same teacher that taught me quick sketch, my learning is different i am expecting a high quality work not just sketching because you like it, unfortunately that is what i belief and that is what i teach, some one can always choice not to take my class, but i want quality work not people practicing,
finally i was never really taught how to draw a landscape ,so this is more like my own philosophy on how to do it ( i might do some research how other people teach it but i feel like this method is a very good method, i spent allot of time thinking about it i just didn't come out of no where) . yes fundamentals line perceptive etc... however we where told to go out and draw that was it, and told if our drawing was up to par or not depending on how much detail was put in to it, i come from a world where standards where high and it was hard to impress people. so ill always have that background and probably have a similar mind set. with that said i understand the learning curve and how to teach it but im not trying to teach a beginner how to draw a landscape, if that is the case they should practice line, shading, and perspective first before taking my class. ( which i pointed out in my post )
p.s. I never realy learned how to draw acutely, as i said allot of fundamentals basics of drawing, and after that it was told to us to go out there practice and draw draw draw, spend lots of time drawing and we can figure out our own ideas and we where graded on our effort not our ability, ( unless it was a figure assignment and anatomy was important ) we had abstraction but mainly i went to a realism focused school. my work boarders on the expressionism spectrum but is till have the basic realism to guide me.
Posted: Wed Oct 03, 2018 7:19 am
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On the contrary, showing a finished piece helps us visualise what kind of thing we're aiming for. It helps make the process of it make sense. Even in still lives, you draw shapes first, and then detail. If you have the confidence to call yourself a master landscape artist, show us. Even in the examples you posted you simplified things into general shapes, then blocked in values, then added more detail.
Quality. That's exactly why I made the mega thread curricula the way they are. I guess we're on the same page, but express it differently. From personal experience, it's difficult to commit to something that will take a long time and is relatively tedious. That's why the masters like Jeff Watts recommend meditative practices to keep our focus. I guess that's why I like watercolours too - you can put colour down where you see it, and it starts looking magical right away.
The only masters of landscapes I know about so far, that I look up to, are Ghibli landscape artists, Lian Quan Zhen, Gordon Mackenzie and Noah Bradley (he teaches an online Art Camp and specialises in concept art landscapes).
I like starting straight out, too. I see what you mean now. But I'd still like to see a finished landscape of yours.
Another question: When I have more time, I'd like to join your class, but I can't draw from life. Can I use photos to do studies from?
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Posted: Wed Oct 03, 2018 12:43 pm
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you make so many good points im glade im getting to know you, your right that is how i draw landscapes, i guess i never thought about it before, i was never thought that, i just do that on my own it make the most seance ( i don't know silly parlor tricks like bob ross , lol ) what i do is actually painting not moving your brush in a way to get a certainty, what he forgets to tell people is the millions of hrs he did studding landscapes to figure out those " tricks" there are also people and the beach that use pots and pans to do the same thing, but to me that's more of a craft then painting. but lets not get in to a debate about artist and there stiles, bob rose made more money and more fame and more people happy then i ever will, and after all inset that what art is supposed to do.
as for samples i was already thinking bout doing that. here are some old works that average about couples hr to draw.
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landscape example ( this is also called a cityscape )
Posted: Wed Oct 03, 2018 10:42 pm
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You also make me think the way I do things, thank you. (: Hahaha the parodies on Bob Ross are so funny. Happy trees. Lol I get how that could work for capturing atmosphere and feeling, but I have a more analytical-intuitive mind and there’s no proof that analytical minds can’t learn to draw ridiculously well. “Parlour tricks” won’t work for me either. Like painting water, the surface of water is like wrinkled blinds: some of it catches light and reflects it, some areas are like windows to what lies beneath the water. I love understanding things when I draw/paint. With watercolour it’s necessary to understand things properly because you need to plan ahead.
As for building fame & wealth from art, it’s definitely doable in the world we live in today - with the internet. You just need a game plan, if that’s what you want to do. And, of course, be ridiculously good at art - which is a skill that can be learned. I think if we master the process of learning, we can learn it quite quickly as well. That’s why I focus so much on copying my art idols so that I can learn from them.
I really like your painterly style in the still life. Would love to see a coloured landscape, though! City scapes are tricky for me, because of all the detail. One day, I want to be good enough to draw a Parisian cathedral scene, but that’s more technical/architectural drawing than art. At least I still have my technical drawing tools from school - maybe that will help. Lol
Also, well done on figuring out how to imbed images! emotion_rainbow
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Posted: Fri Oct 05, 2018 1:38 am
I feel so awful for being behind in Inktober things. Been struggling with exhaustion and dehydration, so I'm taking some medicine and bought a new bottle of PhytoMulti (vitamins derived from plants).
Also, shop customers are crazy! So it's probably stress as well.
Hope you are all doing well?
Posted: Fri Oct 05, 2018 7:49 am
I am going to resign from inktober, iv been deeling with some real life things and i just can't keep up with it right now.
In some ways im glade there is no one in my class, im just not ready for that kind of commitment right now. but ill stick around here and when things calm down ill try again.
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That sounds really hectic. Hope it will all sort itself our soon! My inbox is always open if you need someone to talk to. yum_tea
Posted: Sat Oct 06, 2018 5:12 am
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I could slip in an hour a day to work on sketches in the evenings, if I can. This week has been very hectic. On top of dealing with work (I'm a quality technician at a factory, btw, and I sometimes get pulled to work on the floor in production), I've had to take care of my fiance. He deals with chronic pain in his back, and it's been pretty bad this week so he hasn't been able to do a lot around the house. He works where I work as a supervisor so he's on his feet a lot like I am. Plus, the stress doesn't help.
I've been trying to slip in time to work on a personal project in Photoshop. It's in the base coloring stages right now. Since it's the weekend and I'll have more time I can devote to personal projects, I'm aiming to at least get the base coloring done. Since it's kind of up-in-the-air in regards to classes right now, I've thought about starting at least a diary thread on the forums here, to record my progress.
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Posted: Sat Oct 06, 2018 5:30 am
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<3 You're amazing. It would be so cool to read your sketchbook diary! I had to go back to the drawing board too and reorganize things, because I fell ridiculously behind for Inktober and I still have commissions and such too, etc etc, so I'll just leave Inktober for now and focus on building my skills first. There's no point if what's supposed to make us happy cause us more stress...
So, the basis of everything, to me, is quicksketching (we can all work in a 20min session somewhere). And that's easier to work into our daily routines than working on big projects that often take hours - and can be kept for free weekends, for example, or whenever we have more time. That way we draw something every day at least. Do you think that's a good idea?
Unsolicited health-shop advice for pain: bio-curcumin for inflammatory pain, CBD oil for "unknown-cause" pain, boswelia (frankincense) if its the bone, magnesium glycinate/bisglycinate if its the muscle, collagen to rebuild cartilage, ashwaghanda for stress or L-theanine in green tea, lots of leafy greens (chlorophyll is important for our bodies to heal itself) and 3L water daily to flush out toxins and lubricate everything.
Posted: Sat Oct 06, 2018 5:43 am
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I could slip in an hour a day to work on sketches in the evenings, if I can. This week has been very hectic. On top of dealing with work (I'm a quality technician at a factory, btw, and I sometimes get pulled to work on the floor in production), I've had to take care of my fiance. He deals with chronic pain in his back, and it's been pretty bad this week so he hasn't been able to do a lot around the house. He works where I work as a supervisor so he's on his feet a lot like I am. Plus, the stress doesn't help.
I've been trying to slip in time to work on a personal project in Photoshop. It's in the base coloring stages right now. Since it's the weekend and I'll have more time I can devote to personal projects, I'm aiming to at least get the base coloring done. Since it's kind of up-in-the-air in regards to classes right now, I've thought about starting at least a diary thread on the forums here, to record my progress.
I personally would like to see your progress with photo shop, you should show a step by step, if your willing to do that, i my self have been trying to improve with photo shop we can compare notes. Good luck with your real problem, i however most likely won't be disguising mine.
I too would like to add some advice for pain, acupuncture has been a god send for me, there is also something called Eucalyptus oil,( massaging oil ) that is topical only that helps relief pain. I wish you all the best.
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Posted: Sat Oct 06, 2018 9:48 am
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Quicksketching sounds doable. I can get at least a sketch done every day if I put my mind to it. I'm working on how I'd like to organize the first two posts of my diary thread right now. I would be willing to do a step by step for how I produce work in Photoshop down the line and post it there, along with any other tutorials if there's an audience for them. I try to keep things fairly simple, with less steps involved. That way things get done quicker. Also, I try to keep it easy on the hands.
To be brief, I use a Wacom Bamboo tablet to do a majority of my line work, along with the freeform pen tool when it comes to curving lines. This way, the line work comes out smoother and cleaner. For flat colors, I tend to work in separate layers and use the polygonal lasso to select around the area I want a certain color and use the paint bucket tool to fill the area with color. I USED to color all of my work by hand, but since I use hand tools quite a bit where I work if I'm doing production, it's become murder on my wrist. Also, I notice that coloring by hand on a tablet doesn't fill the area with color completely. I always seemed to end up with some semi-transparent spots and have to go over them. Just as well, I had to clean up around the line art if I went outside the lines. Using the polygonal lasso to select certain areas has eliminated both those issues.
In regards to shading, I still pretty much do that by hand, but I'm always looking for simpler and better techniques to try. I've found a quick way to shade and add highlights if I'm low on time that seems to work pretty well, though. Basically, I make a separate layer and make sure the setting is on "Overlay," then I choose a dark color that seems to go with the rest of the colors in the drawing and then use that for adding shadow. This does not work if the base color for the area is white, however. Any white areas of the drawing have to be shaded separately. For highlights, I choose a lighter color (usually white), and again, make sure the layer setting is on "Overlay" and add highlights were needed. Works very, very well in a pinch.
My fiance is taking CBD oil right now, 300 mg. He's tried 150, but that only takes care of the throbbing. We're seeing what a double dosage does. A little bit of backstory on his condition: a few years back, he tripped and fell down a flight of stairs at his old house, hitting every step on the way down. He suffered some pretty severe internal bruising. We did consider that maybe his spine was thrown out of alignment and that it could be a pinched nerve. He has been to see a chiropractor, who did confirm some misalignment, but treatment didn't seem to help the pain. He's also been to physical therapy, which did nothing, had an MRI and nothing was found, has tried every painkiller under the sun apart from opioids, which is something we are not even going to touch, and so far, we've found CBD oil is the only thing that actually somewhat works.
We have not tried acupuncture so that is something we will look into. Also, eucalyptus oil, ashwaghanda, bio-curcumin, and magnesium glycinate/bisglycinate. I know he has tried L-theanine before but that didn't help too much. I actually take it myself for anxiety and it works very well for that. Thank you for the recommendations.
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