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 Posted: Thu Jul 19, 2012 11:16 pm
LARomero @Shadow: just a quick question... how is it that the solar panels transfer the sun's energy to the bender/user of the suit. Also I believe that one draw back would be that if a firebender were to shoot lightning at the suit and if it were to make contact would it not overload the solar panels creating a short circuit and frying the user? I suggest you have the user wear a suit to protect from shocks. Aswell as oxygen tanks built into the suit, you know incase of waterbenders and their water bending and what not.
Forgive me if I completely screwed up this post. I'm using my phone and I'm at an airport... all the colors and sizes are probably wrong. Woops. Yeah, I actually did think about the drawback with the lightning bending neutralizing the solar panels, I just didn't want a countermeasure for it at first. I want there to be at least one way to stop it, though underneath the suit, it is rubber, so that would stop the lightning from getting to the wearer. Sorry, I forgot to mention that it had rubber underarmor, I kinda just went with the flow since I havent seen power armor without rubber being involved so I thought it was assumed, I apologize. Hmmmm, an oxygen tank would add too much weight, that would make movement difficult at best since the tanks in this universe would likely still be really big. How about a simple rebreather device. It works by filtering the carbon out of your breath, allowing you to breath for as long as their is power to the module.
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Posted: Thu Jul 19, 2012 11:26 pm
LARomero Is anyone going to touch Water Tribe warfare? I have no ideas as to what could be done with it... they are virtually useless inland and away from water. I leave the water tribe to someone who knows about liquid chemicals... all that comes to mind is liquid nitrogen and that is just... Over powered. Maybe a portable unit, maybe in the form of a gauntlet iobviouslylikegauntlets that changes the stuff in the air into water?
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YummyBiscuits Vice Captain
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Posted: Fri Jul 20, 2012 11:45 am
You gave me an idear (Not a typo). Yeah a portable unit, perhaps a Humidifier, most modern humidifiers are small lightweight and they get the job done. You could use them to increase the over all H2O (With a few modifications) content within the air so you could carry much more water with you.Haha, I have a weird story about Mercury.. When I was a kid my friend's dad had some mercury and he gave some to us and let us play with it with no protection... It was only until a few years later that we realized what was wrong with that. We can probably do something with mercury though... just what can we do?Perhaps you can build the suit out of Fibercore™, I got to use the stuff at work and it's pretty sweet.
"Fibrecore™ is a new Ultra-Light, composite stainless steel from FIBRETECH, combining:
Light-weight
High strength
High Stiffness
High energy absorption
High noise and vibration damping properties"
"As strong as Steel, as light as Aluminium…” you can even check out the site if you have an questions about it.
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Posted: Fri Jul 20, 2012 12:41 pm
LARomero You gave me an idear (Not a typo). Yeah a portable unit, perhaps a Humidifier, most modern humidifiers are small lightweight and they get the job done. You could use them to increase the over all H2O (With a few modifications) content within the air so you could carry much more water with you.Haha, I have a weird story about Mercury.. When I was a kid my friend's dad had some mercury and he gave some to us and let us play with it with no protection... It was only until a few years later that we realized what was wrong with that. We can probably do something with mercury though... just what can we do?Perhaps you can build the suit out of Fibercore™, I got to use the stuff at work and it's pretty sweet.
"Fibrecore™ is a new Ultra-Light, composite stainless steel from FIBRETECH, combining:
Light-weight
High strength
High Stiffness
High energy absorption
High noise and vibration damping properties"
"As strong as Steel, as light as Aluminium…” you can even check out the site if you have an questions about it. Yeah, your thing sounds cool and all, Im just not sure that I could do it in this guild, simply because of realism. I doubt that the events and technology that make this material would have happened yet in this universe, just saying, or at the very least not at the start, maybe a later innovation and improvement. It was a good idea though, thank you for your suggestion, I really do appreciate man.
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Posted: Fri Jul 20, 2012 10:41 pm
Hey friends and Guild family! I'm on vacation at the moment and I lack proper ability to post. I'm on my phone.....So here goes what I can:
Weapon: Air Nomads- if we look back to A:TLA Aang made reference to an air blade. Swinging a hilt and bending a blade. I once made this idea in detail, and when I return on Sunday I'll post that description here. But that can be the Air Nomad's weapon.
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Complaints: the armor for the metal benders- the weapon cand come from the mateirial presented. It has to use up the entire materiel. Toph used the entire door, and she used the whole floor panel to take out a guard.
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Posted: Sat Jul 21, 2012 12:27 am
RKHarris "...Aang made reference to an air blade. Swinging a hilt and bending a blade. I once made this idea in detail, and when I return on Sunday I'll post that description here. But that can be the Air Nomad's weapon."
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Puppet on a String Theory Vice Captain
Philosophizing Bibliophile
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Posted: Sat Jul 21, 2012 7:20 am
If we're now discussing each other's ideas, then I'll pitch in some of my discussion points.
Regarding your armour/suit [thing???] idea... Strong Pokemon... Weak Pokemon...
That is only the selfish perception of people... I like the overall idea of this, but I see many flaws in it. First off, I doubt that their era of technology would be able to form a suit that can transfer solar energy into bending strength, a working water to steam fueling system, and additional longevity in battle. Now, let me give some of my reasoning, if you would like to make an argument against my point. Now, I know that Mr. Sato made those large and capable mecha-tanks, yes, but, that is much different and much simpler [if you actually look into the mechanics] than your suit idea. Mr. Sato's mech-tanks were basically the base idea of a car, transformed into a larger, man controlled, walking tank-esque creation. Now, that technology is basic fuel, some moderately simple engineering, and then adding in the extra perks to top it off. Now, what your idea portrays, is a suit of armour plated with solar panels. Now, so far, it seems logical, but let me continue on. The armour of course is basically an additional guard for the user. Now, the solar panels is the real thing I see that is faulty. They are meant to transfer said solar energy into a functioning water to steam system [this is logical, but the suits would take a very long time to "charge" per say. It would also make them very bulky, and additionally easy to take down by any Water Bender], be able to give additional bending ability [which doesn't seem in any way, shape, or form possible. And if it were, it seems completely out of era], and longevity in battle [the armour guards the user, yes, henceforth "longer continuation in battle" but I don't see how it would give the user more stamina and the like the carry on longer than any other person would be able to, and with the armour being extremely heavy, one would think it would make them have less longevity in battle]. Truly skilled Trainers should try to win...
With the Pokemon they love best.
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Posted: Sat Jul 21, 2012 7:23 am
Regarding your air blade suggestion... Strong Pokemon... Weak Pokemon...
That is only the selfish perception of people... I agree with LARomero on this one. I feel that that would be more of a technique than a weapon. Like he'd also said, Zuko had shown the flame dagger technique various times in Avatar : The Last Airbender, and Azula had also done a very similar technique with lightning. Now, I realize that the Air Bending technique would require a hilt, but I still find that is the same basic foundation as Zuko and Azula's techniques. Truly skilled Trainers should try to win...
With the Pokemon they love best.
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Puppet on a String Theory Vice Captain
Philosophizing Bibliophile
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Puppet on a String Theory Vice Captain
Philosophizing Bibliophile
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Posted: Sat Jul 21, 2012 7:30 am
Regarding your humidifier suggestion... Strong Pokemon... Weak Pokemon...
That is only the selfish perception of people... I think this is actually unnecessary. Now, here goes my "Rant of Reasoning". Fire Benders can create fire by heating up the air around them. Now, since Fire Benders have this ability, check the statistics of air. Air contains water in it, so Water Benders are actually able to pull said water out of the air and put it back into a liquid form. I feel that all the humidifiers would do would be to increase the amount of water they could pull from the air, but I still find it unnecessary seeing that they already have the ability to do so [just a bit weaker than they would be able to with a humidifier device]. Truly skilled Trainers should try to win...
With the Pokemon they love best.
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Posted: Sat Jul 21, 2012 8:13 am
That humidifier is just kind of me saying "F*** it" I mean I do not think that there is anyplace in my mind where I have eve the slightest smidgen of a plan or weapon that can be immersed in water bending. I say we just give them advanced submarines... and then leave them alone... FOREVER.
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Puppet on a String Theory Vice Captain
Philosophizing Bibliophile
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Posted: Sat Jul 21, 2012 10:33 am
Strong Pokemon... Weak Pokemon...
That is only the selfish perception of people... Water and Air seem to be the hardest areas to find weaponry for. They're more peaceful and use more brain then brawn, where and Earth and Fire are "hit it as hard as you can," generally. Although, I think there could be some sort of weaponry for the Ice element, but I'll keep thinking on it. Truly skilled Trainers should try to win...
With the Pokemon they love best.
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Posted: Sat Jul 21, 2012 12:15 pm
iiTetshinji-Kun If we're now discussing each other's ideas, then I'll pitch in some of my discussion points.
Regarding your armour/suit [thing???] idea... Strong Pokemon... Weak Pokemon...
That is only the selfish perception of people... I like the overall idea of this, but I see many flaws in it. First off, I doubt that their era of technology would be able to form a suit that can transfer solar energy into bending strength, a working water to steam fueling system, and additional longevity in battle. Now, let me give some of my reasoning, if you would like to make an argument against my point. Now, I know that Mr. Sato made those large and capable mecha-tanks, yes, but, that is much different and much simpler [if you actually look into the mechanics] than your suit idea. Mr. Sato's mech-tanks were basically the base idea of a car, transformed into a larger, man controlled, walking tank-esque creation. Now, that technology is basic fuel, some moderately simple engineering, and then adding in the extra perks to top it off. Now, what your idea portrays, is a suit of armour plated with solar panels. Now, so far, it seems logical, but let me continue on. The armour of course is basically an additional guard for the user. Now, the solar panels is the real thing I see that is faulty. They are meant to transfer said solar energy into a functioning water to steam system [this is logical, but the suits would take a very long time to "charge" per say. It would also make them very bulky, and additionally easy to take down by any Water Bender], be able to give additional bending ability [which doesn't seem in any way, shape, or form possible. And if it were, it seems completely out of era], and longevity in battle [the armour guards the user, yes, henceforth "longer continuation in battle" but I don't see how it would give the user more stamina and the like the carry on longer than any other person would be able to, and with the armour being extremely heavy, one would think it would make them have less longevity in battle]. Truly skilled Trainers should try to win...
With the Pokemon they love best. Yeah, you've got good points, but they've got some misunderstanding. Its called power armor, that means there is gears. The steam powers the gears and allows the armor to move easier. That's what I meant by longer time in battle for using the suit, it doesnt provide extra stamina, it reduces how much is used. As for the solar panel thing, wouldn't it be logical that certain panels do different functions. Say one group powers the steam function, and another does the bending enhancement. Third, I think you fail to understand the bending enhancement thing, no offense. The idea came from what I remember about firebending getting enhanced by the heat of the day. All the panels do is allow more concentrated collection of the heat, giving them a more consistent access to the heat. And yes, they would take awhile to charge, that's why they're army matriel. You wouldn't send a juggernaut unit like that first in a battle, they'd be used later in a battle, aka after they've had the needed time to charge. As for the bulky thing, they're suppose to be that way for balancing reasons. I knew that they'd be a pain in the a** to move, thats to keep the people using them from going Master Chief on people. That wouldn't be fair. And to prevent water benders from wiping that out, thats another reason they'd be in a large force. There would certainly be guards around something like that. And your description of the armor is a little faulty, my fault though, I explained it wrong. The outer layer is mostly solid normal metal of some point, probably platinum just for the prevention of metal benders coming up and killing the users. There would be about 20 small solar panels located through out the suit to take in the energy. Underneath this armor is the small gears and tubes necessary for the locomotion of the armor and its steam power source. Then finally the gears are coated around with a rubber underarmor to make sure the user can't get caught in the gears. Yes, its not a perfect weapon, but its not suppose to be. I said from the getgo thats its a primitive version of power armor, aka a prototype. Prototypes are suppose to have a lot of issues. And I want some of these issues to remain to keep these suits from becoming over powered monstrosities.
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Puppet on a String Theory Vice Captain
Philosophizing Bibliophile
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Posted: Sat Jul 21, 2012 12:32 pm
Strong Pokemon... Weak Pokemon...
That is only the selfish perception of people... I don't see how these gears have anything to do with the adeptness of the user. Of course the armour would have gears [or a similar rotation mechanism] at area points such as the knees, elbows, and et cetera. But all those gears would do is make moving actually be possible for the user. You said it's a suit of armour, not a mecha-tank like structure. As for longevity, sorry about my misunderstanding. Although, I still don't understand how the gears assist the user, other than allowing him/her the ability to actually move freely. Onto bending, I actually don't misunderstand it. Fire benders gain their strength from the sun, not from heat [as proven in the episode of Avatar : The Last Airbender where the solar eclipse took place]. The solar panels wouldn't literally take in the sun's "power," but just absorb usable energy source. And even if they did take in the sun's "power," it wouldn't be able to do anything without being able to directly give this power to the user. Regarding being in one of these suits and facing a Metal/Water Bending opponent, it's still an issue. The Water Benders would still be able to bend the water, even if there is a layer of platinum over it. In Avatar : The Last Airbender, Katara and Aang pulled water up from beneath the ground. The ground being there didn't stop them from bending it. A Water Bender would easily be able to bend that water and make the entire system stop functioning. Regarding Metal Benders, unless you make the gears and entire metal structure out of a non-bendable type of metal, then Metal Benders have the same approach as Water Benders, as I stated previously [just gears or whatever metal, instead of water]. Truly skilled Trainers should try to win...
With the Pokemon they love best.
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Posted: Sat Jul 21, 2012 1:02 pm
iiTetshinji-Kun Strong Pokemon... Weak Pokemon...
That is only the selfish perception of people... I don't see how these gears have anything to do with the adeptness of the user. Of course the armour would have gears [or a similar rotation mechanism] at area points such as the knees, elbows, and et cetera. But all those gears would do is make moving actually be possible for the user. You said it's a suit of armour, not a mecha-tank like structure. As for longevity, sorry about my misunderstanding. Although, I still don't understand how the gears assist the user, other than allowing him/her the ability to actually move freely. Onto bending, I actually don't misunderstand it. Fire benders gain their strength from the sun, not from heat [as proven in the episode of Avatar : The Last Airbender where the solar eclipse took place]. The solar panels wouldn't literally take in the sun's "power," but just absorb usable energy source. And even if they did take in the sun's "power," it wouldn't be able to do anything without being able to directly give this power to the user. Regarding being in one of these suits and facing a Metal/Water Bending opponent, it's still an issue. The Water Benders would still be able to bend the water, even if there is a layer of platinum over it. In Avatar : The Last Airbender, Katara and Aang pulled water up from beneath the ground. The ground being there didn't stop them from bending it. A Water Bender would easily be able to bend that water and make the entire system stop functioning. Regarding Metal Benders, unless you make the gears and entire metal structure out of a non-bendable type of metal, then Metal Benders have the same approach as Water Benders, as I stated previously [just gears or whatever metal, instead of water]. Truly skilled Trainers should try to win...
With the Pokemon they love best. Alright, now that you're explaining yourself better, Im understanding your issues. The gears in hindsight I guess wouldn't increase longlevity, you're right, wait, oh s**t I think you misunderstood my longelevity thing. Crap, I accidently confused the hell out of you, sorry. I meant longlevity for bending, as in extra power for that, not movement. As in there would be more energy for bending and the person wouldn't have to use as much of their own. As for the sun thing, yes I know about the eclipse, that just means firebending is powered by solar energy, and guess what solar energy translates to heat, so basically the solar panel thing works alright. And sorry about not explaining about the water bending problem, but no offense you didnt descibe your point well at all. The way you explained it made me think that you were just using water benders as an example of someone fighting it, not that they'd use the water against the suit, though I don't think it would be a problem since by the time they got there almost all the water would be steam, so with the little water thats left there wouldn't be enough to cause damage, and from what I've seen, water benders can only move steam, not turn it into a weapon. And no, the metal benders probably wouldn't, as seen when the metal benders fought the Mecha tanks. There were gears in that and the metal benders couldn't seem to mess with the interior ones on those, which implies that they need to be in direct contact with the metal they're bending, and the platinum outer covering would prevent that.
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Puppet on a String Theory Vice Captain
Philosophizing Bibliophile
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Posted: Sat Jul 21, 2012 1:12 pm
Strong Pokemon... Weak Pokemon...
That is only the selfish perception of people... Okay, now we're face to face.
Back on topic. Now that I see your meaning of longevity, I can address it better. Regarding the solar energy being used in addition to bending, I suppose we can leave that one to the Crew of the Guild, since they're final say. But, even if there was additional heat, all it would do is increase the power, not further the usage. If you remember Sozin's Comet, that comet didn't increase bending usage length or anything of the sorts, it just made the benders that much stronger. Regarding steam, I think the Water Benders would be able to get all of it out of there without much of a problem, and they could also freeze it, but that could be put up for further discussion. Air Benders would probably be an enemy to the steam force, though. Back to Metal Benders, I can see your point and understand it. I'm thinking that there would probably be some way that Metal Benders would be able to do something with platinum now, though, since it's been at least 1OO years since it was largely used against them. Truly skilled Trainers should try to win...
With the Pokemon they love best.
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