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 Posted: Fri Dec 15, 2006 12:40 am
The Resurrection psychelapis The Resurrection psychelapis The Resurrection psychelapis I typed it up like that to get the point across that you are not actually trying to see or know anything really. . just trying to intellectually say that otherkin are wrong without even trying to know for certain if it is true. . and, I am not asking you to trust me and what I have found to be true. . but, to try to find out yourself what you honestly find to be true(not just citing off logic). . and, I know time constraints stink . I am a full time college student who has to commute for 2 hours each way to even get to my college, and then I have work after school as well. . but, when you do get the time, maybe try to look into clairvoyance and the such. .maybe astral projection would also help you see that the universe is quite a different place then what we see here with these limited physical eyes. . but, good luck with that.. ^^ maybe come back and tell us what you find out when you get your senses open. . Logic is the way through which we can know. I find the general idea of psy far more logical than a lot of people do and thus I pursue it. Hell, you should have seen how I talked about psyvamps before it was explained it to me in a much more logical fashion. I am not saying that logic isnt important or useful. . but, you cant apply the laws of one world and one way of thinking to a realm that you dont even know if it operates under those rules. . untill you experience it, you cant really say for certain what its properties are, so when you come across as saying you strongly dont beleive in otherkin it seems a bit unmerrited. . voicing your opinion based off of what you know or intellectually beleive right now isnt a bad thing, but, being so strongly against something you havent checked out yourself personally, psychically. . just. . doesnt put out the best image. . and, is sort of counter productive. . you could be spending this time trying to open your 3d eye instead of telling me I am wrong! I know it isnt easy. . I dont know how it is for everyone else, but, the first time I honestly tried to use my sight it was their. . I just, ddint beleive in it at first. . but, after years of accurate predictions and the such, I trust myself a bit more in my abilities. .now, that doesnt mean that I dont get things wrong. . but, I usually try things several times to make sure that it is right and accurate. . and even so, sometimes predictions alter, but, that is becuase the future is not set but a tapestry of possibilities, and when I read I dont see the "future" but the dominant thread that the present should manifest into if things dont change, which they can. . now, I have done research on otherkins psychically. . checked out peoples energy(otherkin's energy signatures feel different, mostly awakened ones). . astral projected to different places. . seen other creatures. . hell, I have even seen astral beings in my room that definitly were not human or an earth like creature. . so, I beleive that other beings exist. . . . I remember past lives (remembering being tortured to death is something you cant make up. . the feelings, I *know* that was real, their is no WAY O.O I could have made that up). . now, since I know their are creatures out their other than humans, I know I have reincarnated, so, why not the possibility of being something other than human in a past life?. . now, this is by no means the extent of the research I have done, but, I wont get into too much detail as it would get rather boring. .but, as you can see, I have done some psychic research, and that is why I make my claim that otherkin are real. . I am no omnitant god but atleast try to be accurate. .lol so for anyone reading this *I am not telling you what to beleive, but asking you to genuinly psychically try to find out for yourself* Apparently I cut myself off when I typed that first sentence. I do that a lot due to switching thought trains for whatever reason. *Logic is the way by which we know the workings of the universe. It does apply to magick and such as far as I'm concerned. However the astral is, as far as I can figured based on second hand accounts, a completely separate dimension influenced strongly by the minds of people. The minds of people, particularly imaginations, are not logical things a great lot of the time and thus it is illogical to assume it would be logical. As far as Otherkin, I'm not even going to touch the existence of mythical creatures in the astral. However, I still don't see how this is supposed to be evidence of the validity of Otherkin. First off, assuming reincarnation is real, I highly doubt you'd have the soul of some form of animal. Why? It wouldn't likely know how to be human. It is more likely that Hindu or Buddhist beliefs are correct and that you just have an all purpose soul. You can be reincarnated as an animal if your Karma is bad enough, but it doesn't mean you have an animal soul. Second, I will tell you know that your mind is more capable of unwittingly influencing your reality than you probably give it credit for. the astral is heavly afected by the mind, the will, energy. . the astral is an energetic level of existance. . in magickal worlds, the physical and astral are more meshed into one and as such energy has much more of a sway and affect on the physical . . I have astral projected to worlds were I could see people, and they could see me, becuase, to them that was their world. . here, their is a veil of energy that is keeping the astral and physical more separate, although even here still energetic things can have an effect on the physical, it is just ASSLOADS harder to accoomplish. . you dont understand what I am saying becuase you havent exerpeinced it. . if you knew how to read energy you would notice that some people dont feel like the average person. . their are, well, traits in the energy of beings of certain races. . energy signatures. . they arent completely the same since well, people are individuals. . but if you know how to feel energy then you would notice this. . also, even with just a simple energetic ability of feeling the strength of energy, you can often find that otherkin feel energetically stronger than others, even if they havent done a single thing to hone their energetic ability at all. . lol and yes, logic does apply to magic.. their is structure. . in the astral, strongest energy wins. . lol. . actually, try this one on for size. . if everyone on the entire planet at the same time all honestly stopped beleiving in physics and beleived that magic was real and possible what do you think would happen?. . this world is affected by thoughts as well. . it is people who beleive in physics and all that stuff that actually help to upkeep the veil that separates the astral from the physical. . so you say the mind can affect a lot of things, yah, that is true. . if you really want to test this out, honestly truthfully, with *every* fiber of your being beleive you can do something like move an object or whatnot, and tell me what happens. . and, about bodies. . a soul can go into other forms. . for instance, lets say I was an animal for most of my existance, that is waht my soul mostly learned about. . now, I can go into a human body, but, I am going to be a kinda dumb not as smart human. . it is possible, can happen. .a nd, after being human for a while the soul will know how to handle that kind of body. . going from a human to a less intelligent animal, they wouldnt have too much of a problem, cept they may be slower than the other animals, since they arent used to that type of strength and skill with physical things. .the body is the limits in which we can express what we have. . so, yes, you can be an animal, a tree. . whatever. . Yes, I find mind affecting reality in the grand scheme of things to be a possibility. The difference I mean though is from what I've been told anything anyone ever believed in exists in the astral whereas the physical is defined by the will of the majority. That Otherkin would naturally be stronger in terms of energy makes no sense. Unless of course you're suggesting humans are essentially the weakest source of energy anywhere in existence... Furthermore your last paragraph sounds to me as though you're saying we do have an all purpose soul that just needs to get acquainted with different forms. This would defy any reasoning behind suggesting Otherkin automatically have more energy. I do find fault with the believing with every fiber of being part... There was a time where I was essentially dominated by hate and rage. At times when they exploded it pretty much resulted with me looking as though I had just slammed my fists on the ground, though my body was mostly locked up. At that point, with every fiber of my being, I'd be willing death upon whomever was the object of my hate. None of them even had bad things happen to them, let alone die. before you say what the astral is, why dont you actually try to astral project. . and, what I said before answers that question. . I already said that their may be a war where the veil is broken, and otherkin must do certain things on this planet. . so, as I said before, more powerful otherkin were sent here to handle the problem. . hense their energy would be mostly higher than humans. . now, this isnt the staple for the universe, jsut the selection of otherkin here right now are generally stronger than the humans. . and again, as I said, learn to read energy more efficiently, and you can feel the energy signature differences. . and with that last part, you werent beleiving with every fiber of your being. . you dont beleive in magick really, so, even if you hate someone you dont really beleive you can hurt or effect them. . even if you werent thinking about your beleifs they were still a part of your subconsious beleifs, and so nothing happened. . as you expected. .
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Posted: Fri Dec 15, 2006 10:06 am
psychelapis you are supposed to drop the past at an energetic level. . and, otherkins are not going back to the past, but, they never dropped it in the first place. . the reson they are otherkin is becuase whatever reason, they just could not let go of what they were...and in ways yes, this is bad. . "Energetic level"? If we're speaking of energy within this realm, then yes, we all naturally loose energy when we die. What you're presenting isn't clear, nor does it make logical sense. Quote: and about the myth part. . it has been said that long ago earth was a magickal place. . that, before the veil was put up, and the people changed, beings here used magick and could teleport around, so magickal creatures did supposedly walk this earth before. . then, when the veil went up, they stopped trying to project here or anything becuase they coudlnt for one, and if they did succeeed, they would not be able to project out so would be stuck here. .lol. . That, again, is not verifiable and is based on beliefs (religious/mythological ones, at that). I put already put forward this point and refuted it. Just because dragons appear in just about every culture's mythology, including peoples like the Inuit, doesn't necessarily mean that there actually were dragons roaming the world. Quote: and, yes, I am sure that some people are really just making themselves beleiv ethey are something that they are not. . . but regardless of this, I still do beleive that some are true, as I can sense energy, I trust my senses to a degree, and some people do really just feel different. . Why should this be disregarded? It's an important point. Just about everyone, be they believing that they're an otherkin or not, can sense energy, and just about all these people are susceptible to confusing themselves. Being "different" doesn't necessarily make you an elf or what-have-you. Quote: I am sure their probably are some otherkin that are not so attractive. . but, if peopel have memories of that, do you really think they are apt to share?. . "yah, I remember being a blob of ugly slime in a past life" isnt so appealing. .so, it is possible they are just not sharing their memories. . If people can handle disfigurement and share horror stories of their lives, I do not see why at least one person could not be proud of being a slime ball. In fact, with how popular science fiction films are, I'm surprised I do not hear more. Quote: and another reason is this. . the going theory about otherkin is many were "summoned" here to fight in the "war" if you kow what I mean. . anywyas, whoever did the summoning or ensuring that these souls had bodies, wanted to send strong powerful otherkin, becuase, that is kinda what a war requires. . that could also explain why people always claim to be something powerful and having an awsome form. . becuase, well, what is a slim blob going to do in a war?. . You obviously have only exposed yourself to fantasy plots, rather than sci-fi. Piers Anthony shows how powerful a slime creature can be in his Cluster series. Likewise, this "war" deal sounds just as fantastic and a bit D&D. Quote: now naturally I dont claim that any of this is 100% true, as, this I heard from others and am not sure of it myself. . but, just a possiblity. . And I cannot positively say, either, but your argument does not hold up. Also, your presentation is detracting from your points. While appearances are not supposed to matter, they actually do show a lot about how much you know and care about the subject. In the future, I suggest at least using proper punctuation and avoid the "lol", for they just add a tone of immaturity to the piece.
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Posted: Fri Dec 15, 2006 12:38 pm
Jameta psychelapis you are supposed to drop the past at an energetic level. . and, otherkins are not going back to the past, but, they never dropped it in the first place. . the reson they are otherkin is becuase whatever reason, they just could not let go of what they were...and in ways yes, this is bad. . "Energetic level"? If we're speaking of energy within this realm, then yes, we all naturally loose energy when we die. What you're presenting isn't clear, nor does it make logical sense. Ohkeeii. Now, I'm going to use definitions that mean therians and otherkin are different from eachother. Alright, using the idea that you do reincarnate, and using the idea that you can incarnate as animals, or weird things in other realms (meaning you can be things aside from human), the follow makes more sense. The time inbetween incarnations is when you remove the energy of your last life. So that when you reincarnate, you develope 'innocently', new experiences, learning new things, that whole shebang thing with life being to learn... The case with otherkins in this context is that they have 'energy' from their past life still with them. This taints them in their new/current life, affecting things like their views and attitudes amoung other things to be like those of their last life. Meaning their new life is less of a 'new and different' experience, making their life as is, less effective at 'learning' then it is supposed to. When you die, you're supposed to shed things about this life at a level so that your reincarnated form has nothing unnaturally infuencing it. Jameta Quote: and about the myth part. . it has been said that long ago earth was a magickal place. . that, before the veil was put up, and the people changed, beings here used magick and could teleport around, so magickal creatures did supposedly walk this earth before. . then, when the veil went up, they stopped trying to project here or anything becuase they coudlnt for one, and if they did succeeed, they would not be able to project out so would be stuck here. .lol. . That, again, is not verifiable and is based on beliefs (religious/mythological ones, at that). I put already put forward this point and refuted it. Just because dragons appear in just about every culture's mythology, including peoples like the Inuit, doesn't necessarily mean that there actually were dragons roaming the world. Fair enough, however its seems that since we can't prove things like that are true or not, we can only have opinions based on what we believe and think, as well as logic we come across and any experience that may make you more or less inclined to believe in it. So, *shrug*. Jameta Quote: and, yes, I am sure that some people are really just making themselves beleive they are something that they are not. . . but regardless of this, I still do beleive that some are true, as I can sense energy, I trust my senses to a degree, and some people do really just feel different. . Why should this be disregarded? It's an important point. Just about everyone, be they believing that they're an otherkin or not, can sense energy, and just about all these people are susceptible to confusing themselves. Being "different" doesn't necessarily make you an elf or what-have-you. No, but that doesn't mean every claim should be taken at face value. Jameta Quote: I am sure their probably are some otherkin that are not so attractive. . but, if peopel have memories of that, do you really think they are apt to share?. . "yah, I remember being a blob of ugly slime in a past life" isnt so appealing. .so, it is possible they are just not sharing their memories. . If people can handle disfigurement and share horror stories of their lives, I do not see why at least one person could not be proud of being a slime ball. In fact, with how popular science fiction films are, I'm surprised I do not hear more. Oh, there are a few people who do boast about unpleasant things, but the majority probably don't, assuming there is a majority. And the reason you don't hear more of it, is either from programming to think thats not a pleasant thing, or from wanting to lie about being an otherkin, both people would most likely like to choose a more appealing thing if they could. Jameta Quote: and another reason is this. . the going theory about otherkin is many were "summoned" here to fight in the "war" if you kow what I mean. . anywyas, whoever did the summoning or ensuring that these souls had bodies, wanted to send strong powerful otherkin, becuase, that is kinda what a war requires. . that could also explain why people always claim to be something powerful and having an awsome form. . becuase, well, what is a slim blob going to do in a war?. . You obviously have only exposed yourself to fantasy plots, rather than sci-fi. Piers Anthony shows how powerful a slime creature can be in his Cluster series. Likewise, this "war" deal sounds just as fantastic and a bit D&D. Alas, I have not read that book by Peirs. However, she said it was a theory, and the way she said it ment it was one from someone else, she also seems to disagree with it a little by the way she stated it, but will not rule it out as a possibility due to open mindedness. Also, I can think of how slime creatures would be effective/powerful, but I feel that you have to aknowledge that most things would be circumstantial, and it would be better/safer to go for overall more effective and powerful otherkin. (assuming the theory is true). Yes, the war does sound fantastic and D&D esk to a good degree, but you'll find theres about an equal number of people who agree with it comming as those who disagree with it. The only difference is there are more people who can do noticable magic saying it is comming. Jameta Quote: now naturally I dont claim that any of this is 100% true, as, this I heard from others and am not sure of it myself. . but, just a possiblity. . And I cannot positively say, either, but your argument does not hold up. Also, your presentation is detracting from your points. While appearances are not supposed to matter, they actually do show a lot about how much you know and care about the subject. In the future, I suggest at least using proper punctuation and avoid the "lol", for they just add a tone of immaturity to the piece. I enjoy 'lol' as humour can be used as a device to maintain distance and control over a situation, preventing one from becomeing to emotionally wrapped up in an argument and losing sight of things, thus making a fool of themselves. Yes, the grammer isn't the best, but hers is still better then the majority of...well north americas from my experience. And sure, her arguement holds up, if you are A) properly informed of what she already talks/knows about, and B) can agree to valid points that are less then painfully obvious.
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Posted: Fri Dec 15, 2006 4:17 pm
Dorian Requiem Jameta psychelapis you are supposed to drop the past at an energetic level. . and, otherkins are not going back to the past, but, they never dropped it in the first place. . the reson they are otherkin is becuase whatever reason, they just could not let go of what they were...and in ways yes, this is bad. . "Energetic level"? If we're speaking of energy within this realm, then yes, we all naturally loose energy when we die. What you're presenting isn't clear, nor does it make logical sense. Ohkeeii. Now, I'm going to use definitions that mean therians and otherkin are different from eachother. Alright, using the idea that you do reincarnate, and using the idea that you can incarnate as animals, or weird things in other realms (meaning you can be things aside from human), the follow makes more sense. The time inbetween incarnations is when you remove the energy of your last life. So that when you reincarnate, you develope 'innocently', new experiences, learning new things, that whole shebang thing with life being to learn... The case with otherkins in this context is that they have 'energy' from their past life still with them. This taints them in their new/current life, affecting things like their views and attitudes amoung other things to be like those of their last life. Meaning their new life is less of a 'new and different' experience, making their life as is, less effective at 'learning' then it is supposed to. When you die, you're supposed to shed things about this life at a level so that your reincarnated form has nothing unnaturally infuencing it. Jameta Quote: and about the myth part. . it has been said that long ago earth was a magickal place. . that, before the veil was put up, and the people changed, beings here used magick and could teleport around, so magickal creatures did supposedly walk this earth before. . then, when the veil went up, they stopped trying to project here or anything becuase they coudlnt for one, and if they did succeeed, they would not be able to project out so would be stuck here. .lol. . That, again, is not verifiable and is based on beliefs (religious/mythological ones, at that). I put already put forward this point and refuted it. Just because dragons appear in just about every culture's mythology, including peoples like the Inuit, doesn't necessarily mean that there actually were dragons roaming the world. Fair enough, however its seems that since we can't prove things like that are true or not, we can only have opinions based on what we believe and think, as well as logic we come across and any experience that may make you more or less inclined to believe in it. So, *shrug*. Jameta Quote: and, yes, I am sure that some people are really just making themselves beleive they are something that they are not. . . but regardless of this, I still do beleive that some are true, as I can sense energy, I trust my senses to a degree, and some people do really just feel different. . Why should this be disregarded? It's an important point. Just about everyone, be they believing that they're an otherkin or not, can sense energy, and just about all these people are susceptible to confusing themselves. Being "different" doesn't necessarily make you an elf or what-have-you. No, but that doesn't mean every claim should be taken at face value. Jameta Quote: I am sure their probably are some otherkin that are not so attractive. . but, if peopel have memories of that, do you really think they are apt to share?. . "yah, I remember being a blob of ugly slime in a past life" isnt so appealing. .so, it is possible they are just not sharing their memories. . If people can handle disfigurement and share horror stories of their lives, I do not see why at least one person could not be proud of being a slime ball. In fact, with how popular science fiction films are, I'm surprised I do not hear more. Oh, there are a few people who do boast about unpleasant things, but the majority probably don't, assuming there is a majority. And the reason you don't hear more of it, is either from programming to think thats not a pleasant thing, or from wanting to lie about being an otherkin, both people would most likely like to choose a more appealing thing if they could. Jameta Quote: and another reason is this. . the going theory about otherkin is many were "summoned" here to fight in the "war" if you kow what I mean. . anywyas, whoever did the summoning or ensuring that these souls had bodies, wanted to send strong powerful otherkin, becuase, that is kinda what a war requires. . that could also explain why people always claim to be something powerful and having an awsome form. . becuase, well, what is a slim blob going to do in a war?. . You obviously have only exposed yourself to fantasy plots, rather than sci-fi. Piers Anthony shows how powerful a slime creature can be in his Cluster series. Likewise, this "war" deal sounds just as fantastic and a bit D&D. Alas, I have not read that book by Peirs. However, she said it was a theory, and the way she said it ment it was one from someone else, she also seems to disagree with it a little by the way she stated it, but will not rule it out as a possibility due to open mindedness. Also, I can think of how slime creatures would be effective/powerful, but I feel that you have to aknowledge that most things would be circumstantial, and it would be better/safer to go for overall more effective and powerful otherkin. (assuming the theory is true). Yes, the war does sound fantastic and D&D esk to a good degree, but you'll find theres about an equal number of people who agree with it comming as those who disagree with it. The only difference is there are more people who can do noticable magic saying it is comming. Jameta Quote: now naturally I dont claim that any of this is 100% true, as, this I heard from others and am not sure of it myself. . but, just a possiblity. . And I cannot positively say, either, but your argument does not hold up. Also, your presentation is detracting from your points. While appearances are not supposed to matter, they actually do show a lot about how much you know and care about the subject. In the future, I suggest at least using proper punctuation and avoid the "lol", for they just add a tone of immaturity to the piece. I enjoy 'lol' as humour can be used as a device to maintain distance and control over a situation, preventing one from becomeing to emotionally wrapped up in an argument and losing sight of things, thus making a fool of themselves. Yes, the grammer isn't the best, but hers is still better then the majority of...well north americas from my experience. And sure, her arguement holds up, if you are A) properly informed of what she already talks/knows about, and B) can agree to valid points that are less then painfully obvious. I love you Dorian. smile LOL heart but yah, basically what he said wink I just want to add onto that part where we cant prove it to be true. . well duh!. . you cant use a logic of this world onto the astral realms and the such becuse it may not actually apply to different levels of existance. . so, the only way at the moment that you can be sure of any of this being true would be experience and trusting in it youself, since it isnt on this level. . then, about the D&D comment, you clearly havent researched around to find out anything of what the supposed otherkin are saying. . if you did, you would know about the war. . I knew about the war even before I met anyone becuase I have sight to some degree. . it isnt a definite but a building thread of possibilty that could and may emerge to be. . and about my posting style, wow. . that is a low blow. . trying to use my not so formal typing style to say I am dumb and dont know s**t. . this is the internet, not a scholarly forum of Mensa members . . I write around 20 pages a week in college for all my papers, and so when I come online I just type loosely since I am sick of all the typage. . just becuase you put more effort into your typing doesnt mean that you are right and I am wrong. .
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Posted: Fri Dec 15, 2006 4:32 pm
Thats assuming that they are therians, and that they are halfway competent.
Hell, I figured as much on my own, and just had more support when I started to talk about it.
This summer was funny, lol.
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Posted: Fri Dec 15, 2006 4:57 pm
Dorian Requiem Thats assuming that they are therians, and that they are halfway competent. Hell, I figured as much on my own, and just had more support when I started to talk about it. This summer was funny, lol. lol, right you are. . and, I did figure out a bunch on my own as well. . from dreams and visions and the such. . then, when I met someone in person that I didnt know before, but met in a dream of the "events" that are suposed to happen, I just. . beleived a lot more! I dont claim to be otherkin myself since I dont have solid memories and just some smaller evidence for it. . but, from what I have seen and know I do beleive they are for real. . how was the summer funny?
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Posted: Sat Dec 16, 2006 4:45 pm
Remember the things I mentioned about standing infront of the world tree with a few "people" in the future?
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Posted: Sat Dec 16, 2006 5:30 pm
Dorian Requiem Remember the things I mentioned about standing infront of the world tree with a few "people" in the future? lol. . yes, I do. . I do. . smile . . some would say I "remember" too much. .lol
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Posted: Mon Dec 18, 2006 8:08 am
And you say I remember stuff... none of my past lives will let me get within an Inch of what I'm after... Damn them...
Holding onto Premisconeptions or just pre conceptions rather then being born with a blank slate can be bad yup.
I would think that if your going into a life a new life on earth the point is to have a blank slate. To experience a new way of being without anything else tinging it no matter How Stupid your mistakes may be. That is one of the reasons why my past selves won't let me know anything...
No matter how annoyed frustrated or mean I may be they won't let me see... T'would taint my reactions yes it would! But then... there are many many arguements for and against knowing past life info and really... is relearning soo bad...
What you were what you are and what you were at first...
True form... Other Selves... Current Self all different ways of being...
I'd suggest a nice little mesh of all three... but I don't think thats whats earth is for.
Its only Really a bad thing when you under appreciate a new way of being because you favor an old. Rejection of current ways without taking into consideration the benefits of current being and wishing for death because you can't have an impressive wingspan is a bit ... dramallama
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Posted: Mon Dec 18, 2006 8:15 am
******** CAPS AND COMMAS!!!!
As to prooving something on another level of being is true the only way to even Somewhat competantly Try to proove that would be something along the lines of getting others to second the information without telling them the information your self.
lets say I saw someone sitting on me or I felt someone sitting on me. Then I asked someone with sight to second the information I would ask them.. Me :" look at me now what do you see" Them: "I see someone sitting on you" Oh hey looky I ish Right woot woot...
Now lets try to figure out why I'm being sat on...
This happened hey look I had someone else confirm what I was sencing independent of them knowing what I was senceing.
Now its a b***h and a half to tell true form but you can tell seeming... I seem like I have wings now... Later if I decided to change my form I might have a tail.
The only way to tell someones true form as it was when the person first came into existance and that form which fits best with there energy would be to trace there energy through all of existance back to where it first came onto the scene which is A decent amount of work. There are spell forms which can do it for you but then doing it your self or relying on a spell... I'd prolly want to do it myself if I could.
what uyou can tell is the shape of there energy what you can see of it and have it varified by multiple sources. you can try to tap past life info and understand past ways of being and the like... Thats about it...
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Posted: Mon Dec 18, 2006 8:18 am
I just hate the otherkin who... are really crappy in there creations... I mean if your wings look like card board cut outs I don't THINK your an angel... many of them are suspect of delusions of granduer or wishful being... And ya know thats all right. They'll have to figure it out when they die.
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Posted: Mon Dec 18, 2006 12:32 pm
My friend is having issues with the membership. sweatdrop dragonicflames Hola, people who seem to be completely defeated by my essay Haha! It is I, DF, talking through of course Jameta, seeing as your guild owner does not wish to allow me the pleasure of pwning you in person. x3 (Ok enough with the rudeness bad DF bad.) Now I shalt respond and I shall be very honest up front and frank. 1) I think Otherkinism is Bullshit. Through and through. And thus wrote the stated essay, which I shall be quoting when I completely tear apart your statements. And I shall enjoy it as well. At the end of the quote that Jameta is hopefully going to post for me is a recap of my essay. Quote: Ohkeeii. Now, I'm going to use definitions that mean therians and otherkin are different from eachother. Alright, using the idea that you do reincarnate, and using the idea that you can incarnate as animals, or weird things in other realms (meaning you can be things aside from human), the follow makes more sense. The time inbetween incarnations is when you remove the energy of your last life. So that when you reincarnate, you develope 'innocently', new experiences, learning new things, that whole shebang thing with life being to learn... Which means that you shouldn't be dwealing on your past lives like Otherkin are known to do. When you reincarnate you are supposed to learn NEW EXPERIENCES how can you learn anything new when your so caught up in your past that may or may not even have happened. Please reread in my essay numbers: 1, 6, and specifically 7. Quote: The case with otherkins in this context is that they have 'energy' from their past life still with them. If one human can have the "energy" of the past life, then all humans can. Therefore you are not special. So why a need for a big a** fancy "I'm specialier than thou" title? Quote: This taints them in their new/current life, affecting things like their views and attitudes amoung other things to be like those of their last life. How would one's own energy taint one own's life? That's very confusing. If you are what you say you are then there is no "tainting" of anything. You were and now you are and you will be. Energy doesn't just change all the sudden. I guess you failed science class because I doubt you have even the vaguest understand of what energy can do and what it does. For example, Potential and Kenetic energy. These energies can be contained in one object they are not tainted by each other, but work together to (let's say the object was a swing, shall we?) make the object move or be/return to being stationary. Thus creating a complete object, or something like that. I'm bad at explain this. My point is all energy is neither his or her, neither there nor here. It's all a rather jumbled up thing and so one does not taint the other meerly blending into the next stage of energy, such as potentional moves to kenetic and kenetic to potentional. Quote: Meaning their new life is less of a 'new and different' experience, making their life as is, less effective at 'learning' then it is supposed to. Then I guess you're a retard. :3 What I mean by this is if you can't learn anything new because you can't seem to get over what an awesome creature you WERE BEFORE you were human, you obviously need to get a freaking babysitter and sit there and drool all day. Because you sound like a whiney little bizatch. And it seems to me that, that is your excuse or is going to be an excuse to why you fail in life. "Oh I suck because my past life as a fluffy bunny's energy is all ******** up in my current life's energy". WTF?! You don't make sense at all. Get a freakin' grip. Quote: When you die, you're supposed to shed things about this life at a level so that your reincarnated form has nothing unnaturally infuencing it. And you know this for fact, how? I personally thought, you know using the actually hindu term, that all your lives were all supposed to jumble together to actually amount to something. Huh? Isn't that strange. Maybe we should all actually look up what a philosophy means before we start using it as our examples. Quote: we can only have opinions based on what we believe and think, as well as logic we come across and any experience that may make you more or less inclined to believe in it. So, *shrug*. Yes, yes "logic" Specially love your fallacy logic. ::Nod:: Quote: Oh, there are a few people who do boast about unpleasant things, but the majority probably don't, assuming there is a majority. And the reason you don't hear more of it, is either from programming to think thats not a pleasant thing, or from wanting to lie about being an otherkin, both people would most likely like to choose a more appealing thing if they could. Or maybe it's because it's all fake. :3 Yes, that could be true. Since everyone wants to be a freakin unicorn and dragon and then MAYBE a hell beast. Where's the love for the slugs? I want to be a slug. Just you know leave a trail of sludge right on behind me and make other girls scream "EW" when they see me walkin' along. :/ Quote: but you'll find theres about an equal number of people who agree with it comming as those who disagree with it. The only difference is there are more people who can do noticable magic saying it is comming. "Noticable" magic? Wtf. We pulling out random terms out of our asses now? Can I do that too? Pwease? Excuse me for being party pooper, but all the people I know who actually do real magic who know the difference between pure fluffy and the real shite say all these people claiming the world is going to end and shite are fake. End of story. Bring up that "oh well there are people out there who agree with it" is like say, Hey if everyone says the sky is falling it must be falling. Damn your logical fallacy really really is getting good. Quote: And sure, her arguement holds up, if you are A) properly informed of what she already talks/knows about, and B) can agree to valid points that are less then painfully obvious. WTF, Idjet, her arguement DOESN'T hold up. It holds no water. Gawd. Quote: you cant use a logic of this world onto the astral realms and the such becuse it may not actually apply to different levels of existance. . so, the only way at the moment that you can be sure of any of this being true would be experience and trusting in it youself, since it isnt on this level. . What the fruck are you saying woman! Of course you can't "prove" the astral PLANES (>>; ) exist because it's a theory. That's the WHOLE point. It's all a theory all your "existing as a beast" thing is all just an idea. Which floats in your head and thus makes you think so. Quoting my essay: Quote: An insane person never believes his insane. Because his mind is telling him that he is sane. Your mind is one of the most dangerous weapons that can be used against you because you basically know nothing about what it can hold. Quote: you clearly havent researched around to find out anything of what the supposed otherkin are saying. . if you did, you would know about the war. . I knew about the war even before I met anyone becuase I have sight to some degree. . it isnt a definite but a building thread of possibilty that could and may emerge to be. . LOL, Prove it or get out. DragonicFlames 1)"Otherkin Exists because we are a "past life" form in a human body." Do you even remember how many past lives you've had? If you don't, then you don't know what creatures you could have been before you were a human. You could have been a tree, frog, rabbit, wolf, human, human, rose, mushroom, beetle, human, bunny, and currently are human. If all you remember is your bunny "life" does that make all the REST of your past lives not count? Of course they count. They are part of you and your experiences. That would be like saying your little toe doesn't count because it's tiny. Do you remember all your actions as a human? No you don’t, which also proves the mentally your brain isn’t capable to handle all the memories that are being made currently. This makes one wonder how you “know” you’re an otherkin if your brain can’t even remember what you were like when you were two. It’s a hellva lot easier just to realize that you are now human and that's what you'll be till you die. 2) "Otherkin Exists because when we astral project out of our bodies we can take the form of a (insert misc. Myth. Creature.)" Ok, how do you know you're astral projecting? Why should I believe you in the first place about your personal experience that you have no evidence on? Let's pretend I believe you. In any dream you can gain control of your dream and make it happen as you want. Essentially that's where you can start astral projecting. You can willingly change your form in this state of lucid dreaming and become something completely else. If I can make Johnny Depp appear in my dreams, you can make yourself look like a (insert misc. Myth. creature.) Go look up some facts (notice facts, aka not some Silver Ravenwolf BS…) about Lucid Dreaming, and we’ll continue on how you are a “mythical creature” when you dream/astral project. 3) "Otherkin Exists because We think we should have been an animal. Like the transsexuals." Ok first of all, Transsexuals may or may not have genetic problems and MOST CERTAINLY have hormone imbalances that make them more of the opposite sex. Those are HUMAN Genes and HUMAN Hormones. I don't see where there is a say "Squid" hormone in your body. Secondly, how can you “know” what you “should have been”? You can’t even remember what you were like when you were two, how can you “know” what you “should have been”, when you can’t even remember your current body’s past? Thirdly, is there some big catalog in the sky where you can pick out what body you are going to be in? No, there isn’t. It’s not like the universe fumbled and messed up your body order. That’s one of the stupidest excuses for otherkin. What you “should have been” is what you are right now. End of story. Just because you’ve got these big ideas about what you “should have been” doesn’t mean they are true. They are nothing but false opinions that have been festering since you learned about otherkin in the first place. You ARE human. The sooner you realize that the better you are off. 4) "I'm Otherkin because I act catty." Oh really? Does that mean you can jump from high heights and land on your feet? Last time I checked the cat's tail is one of the main things that makes the cat land on its feet. Since you obviously don't have a tail... Can you lick your butt? No? Didn't think so. Keyword "act". I can "act" like a vampire. But does that make me a vampire? No. It doesn't. Now the other thing I will add here is that, I personally believe that MOST otherkin that use this excuse or use the number 5 excuse is that they are having totem animal association problems. That they feel "catty" because their totem animal is a cat and is very present in their lives. And suddenly they adopt this separate entity as a part of their personality. And they start thinking that hey "I'm a cat". It's because they cannot separate where the Human ends and the totem animal begins. 5) "I'm Otherkin because I wings and claws all the time/ I'm otherkin because I know what it feels like to be a (insert animal)" In the famous words of Hume, How do you know? How do you know what wings, claws, and what an animal feels like? Hume states that the human mind is LIMITED in what it can know. And if we cannot state something for definite what we KNOW then we don't have any "knowledge" at all. You can't POSSIBLY know what it feels like to be (insert animal) because you haven't experienced being that animal. And for that "Well the limbless feel limbs..." Yes because they have HAD experience WITH their limbs. 6) "I'm otherkin because metaphysically I believe I am." Hume really is a big bust on you isn’t he? How do you know that your imagination isn’t limited? That’s right I said your imagination, because that’s what controls what you see in your mind’s eye. You can “think” all you want and “believe” all you want that you’re a squid, but your body is going to disprove you every time you look in the mirror. Metaphysics is limited itself, and most metaphysicists argue with each other all the time about different things that pertain to metaphysics. Such as the limitation of the human mind and its imagination skills. No “mind over matter” is going to change your body into a squid. End of story. Again if you do not know your limitations how can you state you know something. 7) "I have these memories of another life so I must be whatever I was in my memories." Those are memories that you could possibly have made up. Remember the whole "astral projection" deal. You can't prove it to me. But let's say I believe you. Letter A) How many memories do you think you have of just ONE life. You were in that life for a WHOLE LIFE TIME. Which means you could have millions. What did we say in rule number 2? That there are many past lives you can't account for that you might have had? So that means you could have a googleplex of memories that you just don't remember about. And you still can’t remember what you were like when you were two, yet you remember all these other lives? What part of “hallucinations” don’t you understand? Letter B) Which Memories are fake? Can you tell? There is a very likely chance that you falsely remember something, just because well you want to remember something. I remember stuff in my dreams and I think they've happened in the morning and when I get to that point in the day I get slightly frustrated because my dream lead me to believe that happened when it didn't. The mind is a very particular thing. It can play tricks. An insane person never believes his insane. Because his mind is telling him that he is sane. Your mind is one of the most dangerous weapons that can be used against you because you basically know nothing about what it can hold. Hell if the mind can make ten to fifteen different series of dreams in one night’s time, then it can make up whole life times of memories that didn’t happen at all. You’ve been thoroughly disproved. I posted her essay on the issue earlier, for clarification.
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Posted: Mon Dec 18, 2006 8:08 pm
I am sorry for any readers who would like to not read this, in which case, I guess you don't have to, and if you have and regret it, I am sorry for that. dragonicflames Hola, people who seem to be completely defeated by my essay Haha! It is I, DF, talking through of course Jameta, seeing as your guild owner does not wish to allow me the pleasure of pwning you in person. x3 (Ok enough with the rudeness bad DF bad.) I think you failed to continue with the stopping of rudeness, what with the use of retard with no direct provocation. You basically threw the first stone, good job. dragonicflames Now I shalt respond and I shall be very honest up front and frank. 1) I think Otherkinism is Bullshit. Through and through. And thus wrote the stated essay, which I shall be quoting when I completely tear apart your statements. And I shall enjoy it as well. At the end of the quote that Jameta is hopefully going to post for me is a recap of my essay. psychelapis Ohkeeii. Now, I'm going to use definitions that mean therians and otherkin are different from eachother. Alright, using the idea that you do reincarnate, and using the idea that you can incarnate as animals, or weird things in other realms (meaning you can be things aside from human), the follow makes more sense. The time inbetween incarnations is when you remove the energy of your last life. So that when you reincarnate, you develope 'innocently', new experiences, learning new things, that whole shebang thing with life being to learn... Which means that you shouldn't be dwealing on your past lives like Otherkin are known to do. When you reincarnate you are supposed to learn NEW EXPERIENCES how can you learn anything new when your so caught up in your past that may or may not even have happened. Please reread in my essay numbers: 1, 6, and specifically 7. Yes, that is our point, unfortunatly its a defect or screw up, which means said person is most likely stuck with it, atleast for this life, and/or until their can be some 'seriously powerful magic' used to 'correct it', which I doubt could happen/work. Thank you for chewing us out by saying the same thing we are saying. Again, good job. dragonicflames Dorian Requiem The case with otherkins in this context is that they have 'energy' from their past life still with them. If one human can have the "energy" of the past life, then all humans can. Therefore you are not special. So why a need for a big a** fancy "I'm specialier than thou" title? Because its not supposed to be there at all amoung humans. Meaning they are a freak, or special. Depends how you see it. Yes, potentially everyone could, but theres a thing we have called quality control, therians or otherkin, whatever the ******** we are calling them, are the ones that got though innoticed, unchecked, inclean, whatever you want to call it. And on a side note, who says there can't be therian animals, I mean if we are right about incarnating as animals, then maybe there are some animals that maybe have therian souls stuff of other animals, or *gasp* humans. *duh duh duh* dragonicflames Dorian Requiem This taints them in their new/current life, affecting things like their views and attitudes amoung other things to be like those of their last life. How would one's own energy taint one own's life? That's very confusing. If you are what you say you are then there is no "tainting" of anything. You were and now you are and you will be. Energy doesn't just change all the sudden. I guess you failed science class because I doubt you have even the vaguest understand of what energy can do and what it does. For example, Potential and Kenetic energy. These energies can be contained in one object they are not tainted by each other, but work together to (let's say the object was a swing, shall we?) make the object move or be/return to being stationary. Thus creating a complete object, or something like that. I'm bad at explain this. My point is all energy is neither his or her, neither there nor here. It's all a rather jumbled up thing and so one does not taint the other meerly blending into the next stage of energy, such as potentional moves to kenetic and kenetic to potentional. Lets scroll back up to the point were I said {please refer back to this in a few quotes} You said When you reincarnate you are supposed to learn NEW EXPERIENCES Pay attention to what you are saying as well as us, you just contradicted yourself. And AGAIN, good job. dragonicflames Dorian Requiem Meaning their new life is less of a 'new and different' experience, making their life as is, less effective at 'learning' then it is supposed to. Then I guess you're a retard. :3 What I mean by this is if you can't learn anything new because you can't seem to get over what an awesome creature you WERE BEFORE you were human, you obviously need to get a freaking babysitter and sit there and drool all day. Because you sound like a whiney little bizatch. And it seems to me that, that is your excuse or is going to be an excuse to why you fail in life. "Oh I suck because my past life as a fluffy bunny's energy is all ******** up in my current life's energy". WTF?! You don't make sense at all. Get a freakin' grip. Now, at this point I suspect you have been hit in the head with a baseball bat, and I think you deserve to again as well. I would like to point out, I am not argueing how it is good to be therian/otherkin. I agree that if you can't learn anything new because you are obsessed with your past live(s) like some therians/otherkins seem to be, then you're right dragonic, they are whiney bizatches, though in some cases as psychology has taught us, maybe its not their fault they can't get over it. Ever hear of OCD? We can't control our thoughts, so if we are obsessed with something, we would need help learning a way to cope with it. dragonicflames Dorian Requiem When you die, you're supposed to shed things about this life at a level so that your reincarnated form has nothing unnaturally infuencing it. And you know this for fact, how? I personally thought, you know using the actually hindu term, that all your lives were all supposed to jumble together to actually amount to something. Huh? Isn't that strange. Maybe we should all actually look up what a philosophy means before we start using it as our examples. Yes, correct, it is supposed to jumble all together, on a seperate level. Ofcourse alot of this arguement so far, currently, and to come is up to debate depending on individial beleifs, but as goes; you are you, here on the earth, as an extention of your "total being". The level were everything is supposed to jumble together is your "higher self". You here are supposed to be the innocent, clean energy, new experience part of you, were you at death, drop off everything you've learned with your higherself (so to speak), and then go onto another new life. dragonicflames Dorian Requiem we can only have opinions based on what we believe and think, as well as logic we come across and any experience that may make you more or less inclined to believe in it. So, *shrug*. Yes, yes "logic" Specially love your fallacy logic. ::Nod:: I didn't say 'my logic' I said logic, meaning whomever is in the situations that we may be describing. Its their logic in question in the circumstances, if they were to arise. My logic is only fallacy logic under your fallacy logic, or the fallacy logic of others. So, if one of your, mine, or a third parties logic is correct, that automatically means the other two parties logic is then fallacy logic. So, if I'm right, your wrong, if your right, I'm wrong. Personally, I think I'm missing enough to be wrong, and you are just dense enough to miss even what I am right about. *innocent smile* dragonicflames Dorian Requiem Oh, there are a few people who do boast about unpleasant things, but the majority probably don't, assuming there is a majority. And the reason you don't hear more of it, is either from programming to think thats not a pleasant thing, or from wanting to lie about being an otherkin, both people would most likely like to choose a more appealing thing if they could. Or maybe it's because it's all fake. :3 Yes, that could be true. Since everyone wants to be a freakin unicorn and dragon and then MAYBE a hell beast. Where's the love for the slugs? I want to be a slug. Just you know leave a trail of sludge right on behind me and make other girls scream "EW" when they see me walkin' along. :/ Yes, in which case EVERYTHING is wrong and pointless in debate. However, the first point of anything to do with magic as 'we' (in a general sense) is that you have to atleast accept that we believe it is real. Do you think I would get anywere arguing with a fairly devout christian about what jesus could do, if he could do anything, and such other parts of what they believe to be real? Not likely, thusly, you might like to apply the same to further 'magic' related arguments. Do you really want to be a slug? For a whole lifetimes? Do you think you would be more likely to remember a few good things about the life, or a few bad things about the life? Most likely the bad things, as from what I can imagine (oh! theres that word you like) it would probably be easier to remember a less then pleasant part of a slugs life in this weird hypothetical situation. dragonicflames Dorian Requiem but you'll find theres about an equal number of people who agree with it comming as those who disagree with it. The only difference is there are more people who can do noticable magic saying it is comming. "Noticable" magic? Wtf. We pulling out random terms out of our asses now? Can I do that too? Pwease? Excuse me for being party pooper, but all the people I know who actually do real magic who know the difference between pure fluffy and the real shite say all these people claiming the world is going to end and shite are fake. End of story. Bring up that "oh well there are people out there who agree with it" is like say, Hey if everyone says the sky is falling it must be falling. Damn your logical fallacy really really is getting good. [sarcasm]Yes, because you certainly don't seem to be able to grasp the meaning of what the term is[/sarcasm] You know what I meant, so why did you feel the need to say such a pointless thing? And the people I know who can tell the difference between..blah blah...agree that it seems to be a decent chance that 'the war' will happen. Now, we ALL have doubts about it, as any half brained person should, but from 'our' experiences, we have enough to doubt 'the doubt' and think there might be a chance 'we' are right about there being a war comming, if it stays decently likely to take place. And your fallacy logic seems to be falling apart due to misconseptions and/or sheer denseness. dragonicflames Dorian Requiem And sure, her arguement holds up, if you are A) properly informed of what she already talks/knows about, and B) can agree to valid points that are less then painfully obvious. WTF, Idjet, her arguement DOESN'T hold up. It holds no water. Gawd. Really? Heres some math what I've said so far+ lets see=Your argument being less substantial, meaning hers comparatively is holds more water. dragonicflames psychelapis you cant use a logic of this world onto the astral realms and the such becuse it may not actually apply to different levels of existance. . so, the only way at the moment that you can be sure of any of this being true would be experience and trusting in it youself, since it isn't on this level. . What the fruck are you saying woman! Of course you can't "prove" the astral PLANES (>>; ) exist because it's a theory. That's the WHOLE point. It's all a theory all your "existing as a beast" thing is all just an idea. Which floats in your head and thus makes you think so. Quoting my essay: Your essay An insane person never believes his insane. Because his mind is telling him that he is sane. Your mind is one of the most dangerous weapons that can be used against you because you basically know nothing about what it can hold. She is saying that things are different there in such a way as things here do not have enough relativity to be properly understood, beleived, or scrutinized. This goes back to 'experiences'. Anything else I could say would be just repeating this exact quote from psychelapis. can't use logic of this world...only way at moment to be sure its true is expeience and trusting in it yourself. continue on to next post-----
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Posted: Mon Dec 18, 2006 8:10 pm
-----last post continued dragonicflames psychelapis you clearly havent researched around to find out anything of what the supposed otherkin are saying. . if you did, you would know about the war. . I knew about the war even before I met anyone becuase I have sight to some degree. . it isnt a definite but a building thread of possibilty that could and may emerge to be. . LOL, Prove it or get out. Nice job AGAIN, with being specific. If you mean about you not researching to know about the war, its because you seem to not have presented any info, what so ever, none the less being new. If its about her having sight, I believe (ohmygawd, another key word, again!!) she has it from my experiences (ohmygawd another keyword, again!!eleventlyONE) DragonicFlames 1)"Otherkin Exists because we are a "past life" form in a human body." Do you even remember how many past lives you've had? If you don't, then you don't know what creatures you could have been before you were a human. You could have been a tree, frog, rabbit, wolf, human, human, rose, mushroom, beetle, human, bunny, and currently are human. If all you remember is your bunny "life" does that make all the REST of your past lives not count? Of course they count. They are part of you and your experiences. That would be like saying your little toe doesn't count because it's tiny. Do you remember all your actions as a human? No you don’t, which also proves the mentally your brain isn’t capable to handle all the memories that are being made currently. This makes one wonder how you “know” you’re an otherkin if your brain can’t even remember what you were like when you were two. It’s a hellva lot easier just to realize that you are now human and that's what you'll be till you die. Yes, we can't remember things from when we were two, or other unimportant things in our life/lives, so thusly it makes sense if we can't remember every past life, or every part of every/any past life. dragonicflames 2) "Otherkin Exists because when we astral project out of our bodies we can take the form of a (insert misc. Myth. Creature.)" Ok, how do you know you're astral projecting? Why should I believe you in the first place about your personal experience that you have no evidence on? Let's pretend I believe you. In any dream you can gain control of your dream and make it happen as you want. Essentially that's where you can start astral projecting. You can willingly change your form in this state of lucid dreaming and become something completely else. If I can make Johnny Depp appear in my dreams, you can make yourself look like a (insert misc. Myth. creature.) Go look up some facts (notice facts, aka not some Silver Ravenwolf BS…) about Lucid Dreaming, and we’ll continue on how you are a “mythical creature” when you dream/astral project. I totally agree with everything you just said *hug*. dragonicflames 3) "Otherkin Exists because We think we should have been an animal. Like the transsexuals." Ok first of all, Transsexuals may or may not have genetic problems and MOST CERTAINLY have hormone imbalances that make them more of the opposite sex. Those are HUMAN Genes and HUMAN Hormones. I don't see where there is a say "Squid" hormone in your body. Secondly, how can you “know” what you “should have been”? You can’t even remember what you were like when you were two, how can you “know” what you “should have been”, when you can’t even remember your current body’s past? Thirdly, is there some big catalog in the sky where you can pick out what body you are going to be in? No, there isn’t. It’s not like the universe fumbled and messed up your body order. That’s one of the stupidest excuses for otherkin. What you “should have been” is what you are right now. End of story. Just because you’ve got these big ideas about what you “should have been” doesn’t mean they are true. They are nothing but false opinions that have been festering since you learned about otherkin in the first place. You ARE human. The sooner you realize that the better you are off. *hugs again* dragonicflames 4) "I'm Otherkin because I act catty." Oh really? Does that mean you can jump from high heights and land on your feet? Last time I checked the cat's tail is one of the main things that makes the cat land on its feet. Since you obviously don't have a tail... Can you lick your butt? No? Didn't think so. Keyword "act". I can "act" like a vampire. But does that make me a vampire? No. It doesn't. Now the other thing I will add here is that, I personally believe that MOST otherkin that use this excuse or use the number 5 excuse is that they are having totem animal association problems. That they feel "catty" because their totem animal is a cat and is very present in their lives. And suddenly they adopt this separate entity as a part of their personality. And they start thinking that hey "I'm a cat". It's because they cannot separate where the Human ends and the totem animal begins. These a chance that might be true, but most likely I'm sure your right atleast in thinking they are wrong, if not for your specific argument being correct. dragonicflames 5) "I'm Otherkin because I wings and claws all the time/ I'm otherkin because I know what it feels like to be a (insert animal)" In the famous words of Hume, How do you know? How do you know what wings, claws, and what an animal feels like? Hume states that the human mind is LIMITED in what it can know. And if we cannot state something for definite what we KNOW then we don't have any "knowledge" at all. You can't POSSIBLY know what it feels like to be (insert animal) because you haven't experienced being that animal. And for that "Well the limbless feel limbs..." Yes because they have HAD experience WITH their limbs. I agree and disagree. You're right about alot of what you just said, but with the power, understanding, and depth of imagination, I'm sure we(not everyone, just some) can be close enough to 'knowing' what something is like to not be able to tell the difference if there was a way to test how accurate the persons idea/experience is. But again, you're most likely correct. dragonicflames 6) "I'm otherkin because metaphysically I believe I am." Hume really is a big bust on you isn’t he? How do you know that your imagination isn’t limited? That’s right I said your imagination, because that’s what controls what you see in your mind’s eye. You can “think” all you want and “believe” all you want that you’re a squid, but your body is going to disprove you every time you look in the mirror. Metaphysics is limited itself, and most metaphysicists argue with each other all the time about different things that pertain to metaphysics. Such as the limitation of the human mind and its imagination skills. No “mind over matter” is going to change your body into a squid. End of story. Again if you do not know your limitations how can you state you know something. No comment out of sheer lack of opinion or care for this. I think the bold title is skewed in what it is saying, and I think that from the best understanding I can get, the title of this arguement (if said to me) would cause me to try to not laugh at the person saying it. dragonicflames 7) "I have these memories of another life so I must be whatever I was in my memories." Those are memories that you could possibly have made up. Remember the whole "astral projection" deal. You can't prove it to me. But let's say I believe you. Letter A) How many memories do you think you have of just ONE life. You were in that life for a WHOLE LIFE TIME. Which means you could have millions. What did we say in rule number 2? That there are many past lives you can't account for that you might have had? So that means you could have a googleplex of memories that you just don't remember about. Yes, meaning it is likely that they could be wrong about. However, out of past lives, and being 'cleansed of past energies' logically(uhoh, logic) this means that if you were a therian in a past life, but at the end cleansed, then the therian part and that life are gone. The only way to be something like that would be a therian more then one life in a row, which would be a very rare and akward situation I'm not going to go into in this. But logically(uhoh, x2) it would be your last life that you are the most likely to remeber, or last several lives in that weird hypothetical/rare thing I just stated. dragonicflames And you still can’t remember what you were like when you were two, yet you remember all these other lives? What part of “hallucinations” don’t you understand? I am argueing that you can remember parts of any given past life, not the whole thing. I am also arguing that few people can remember more then a handful, if the can even remember one. dragonicflames Letter B) Which Memories are fake? Can you tell? There is a very likely chance that you falsely remember something, just because well you want to remember something. I remember stuff in my dreams and I think they've happened in the morning and when I get to that point in the day I get slightly frustrated because my dream lead me to believe that happened when it didn't. The mind is a very particular thing. It can play tricks. Yes, you're right about the 'memories' maybe being wrong. I've never really had dreams that vivid(thats when I dream{and when I remember it}). However, a key word here is believing. dragonicflames An insane person never believes his insane. Because his mind is telling him that he is sane. Your mind is one of the most dangerous weapons that can be used against you because you basically know nothing about what it can hold. Hell if the mind can make ten to fifteen different series of dreams in one night’s time, then it can make up whole life times of memories that didn’t happen at all. Yes, in which case, "we"'re wrong, and despite however much effort you put into it, we won't accept what you are saying, unless you can truely (and do) fix whatever our delusions are. So far I've managed to argue back, and thusly means I have things I still believe, which you have failed to convince me of otherwise/make be believe otherwise. dragonicflames You’ve been thoroughly disproved. We'll see. *POUND POUND* On another note, neither psychelapis or I claim to be otherkin/therian as far as the definition we have settled on in this thread. I did like how you were able to keep straight whom you were talking to, even though I suspect most people who read this won't realise it (had I not put in the names of whom you quoted).
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Posted: Mon Dec 18, 2006 9:04 pm
That was an asstonishingly good pounding Dorian.. . . lol. . keep up smile the good work. . *so I dont have to type so much* xd
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