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Meditatus Sanctum Mien Captain
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 Posted: Wed Jun 29, 2011 11:52 pm
Silent Harry Mason That makes sense, I agree. Alessa's reasoning for reviving Harry: Check all three? Walter becoming a God? Hmmm...weird. possibly. BUT NOT likely? The Order setting up a trial? The blood has some thing needed to be placed on God's fetus, this fits the blood of Ian's parents who are all going to die, and his tortured soul from all the pain allows them to use the darkened blood from Ian's angst to basically cause Heather's fetus to become tainted by his desire for revenge... I'm not sure though, how do we make everyone feel important in this kind of idea? We have all these clashing forces...how do we add it up exactly? xD
As for the other one, just give me about 8 hours of sleep XDDD
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Posted: Wed Jun 29, 2011 11:56 pm
Meditatus Sanctum Mien Silent Harry Mason That makes sense, I agree. Alessa's reasoning for reviving Harry: Check all three? Walter becoming a God? Hmmm...weird. possibly. BUT NOT likely? The Order setting up a trial? The blood has some thing needed to be placed on God's fetus, this fits the blood of Ian's parents who are all going to die, and his tortured soul from all the pain allows them to use the darkened blood from Ian's angst to basically cause Heather's fetus to become tainted by his desire for revenge... I'm not sure though, how do we make everyone feel important in this kind of idea? We have all these clashing forces...how do we add it up exactly? xD
As for the other one, just give me about 8 hours of sleep XDDDTook Alright. xD
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Posted: Thu Jun 30, 2011 8:41 am
Meditatus Sanctum Mien Here's just a random thought I had:
What if...
The characters in the guild, in regards to the main storyline we have now, (with the gathering of different types of blood), were put through the horrors of Silent Hill in order to test whether, or not a person, or a group of people would be the replacement(s) for Alessa? Since her abilities have waned significantly, and she was sort of like, a foot in the door for other entities to pass through, their craving for a formidable person(s), or avatar(s) with greater potential has taken hold. As a result, they need more people to select from. More pain. More energy. Deeper sins. Deeper story. Plenty of malevolent creatures to bludgeon with a pipe and waste ammo on. The Cult itself probably would stick to the initial collection of blood for their ritual and everything, and they could test one individual, or many. But that doesn't mean other deities aren't watching. Maybe most of the Cult's gods want a piece of the action in our world, and hey, they could be in turmoil among themselves within the dimension they reside in.
A competition of hyper-dimensional beings, as we know, is very intense.
So, they're calling on particular individuals, (by no means, is this blatant, obviously you're gonna' have symbolism laced in a person's past and how they develop that through their psyche), especially now that The Order has failed multiple times to successfully manifest any one of them, (The God/Gods ), in their true incarnation to take over the third dimension. This could be a nice sub-plot to go off of, while the main plot involves the perfection, or the refinement of one God to lead its followers.
Rose Wolf would have to be informed by her deity that there is lots of intrigue going on, and that others, (such as Walter, Harry, Alessa/Heather), will sabotage The Birth. Maybe, even, due to Walter's immense desire to create Paradise, he has become more than just a ghost. Possibly, one of the other Gods has taken hold of him. Now, remember, The Order, or The Cult, may have strict rules and regulations, and they do manipulate people to do morally corrupt things, however, they are never in control of the deity they follow.
Walter, Rose Wolf, Alessa, Heather, Harry, Henry.
What are their roles?
Going off of Mistress Fuyutsuki's plot concerning The Room, (plus the addition of tying it in), and how Walter doesn't want Henry to foil his plans for Paradise, we can assume, at this point in time, Walter is going to create a God selected from one of the pantheon, or maybe it selected him. Or, he's just going to plant himself in one place to create what his version of Paradise looks like. He can have his own warped mind and lose himself in his pain, just like Alessa did. This has cause for questions: How will Walter bring about Paradise? Will he become a God himself if he can't procure a deal? How can he become a God? Is it possible?
If you're answer is yes, then you have to ask: Will the other Gods become resistant to another one of their kind trying to take over their fold? And mold not only this reality, but theirs, too?
If your answer is no, well, then the plot with Walter can be elaborated upon with other elements.
Contradicting this, Rose Wolf wants to create a perfect God; she wants to bring it into the world using complex rituals and elements of the occult. Clearly, both Walter and Rose's objectives are to bring about Paradise.
Alessa is weak because she revived Harry. For what purpose? Well, let's ask some questions to get the creative juices flowing. Does she want to stop Walter and Rose? Is she trying to compensate for Heather's pain? Is Alessa afraid of vanishing completely so that Heather has a chance to live her own life?
Heather is looking for her dad and Harry is probably looking for Heather. They both have a common goal, too. They want to live normal lives free of this psychiatric Gehenna. Why would they want to stay? Why would want to fight? They've been through too much and for them, when does it stop?
Henry is the least developed. I think he has a bunch of potential to be played out and to express his core self, besides being all, shy and everything. Henry gets in Walter's way a lot, but we still haven't learned much about Henry. The game itself focused more on Walter. So, I think this is his chance to shine. But again, why? We know that he's there, in accordance to Mistress Fuyutsuki's storyline, however, we gotta' think beyond that, because Silent Hill is a game full of twists, turns, and implications.
And this brings us back to the Walter section of this random thought.
There's just gotta' be more questions to ask to get this thing sorted out. And I hope this helps. Like the beginning stated, this is a random thought.I just want to remind you guys that this universe elaborates on the pain of the people who enter this town. Who need to come to terms with themselves and what they've done. Sometimes they'll perish in the wake of it. Other times, they won't. There's always more to look into than the initial impression.
It's part of being creative, you know?
Why not put a bunch of symbolism, imagery, and reference in our stuff, too? That's what made the game great, so, why not extend that same innovation into our roleplay?
The whole, "All the people lead here are possible replacements for Alessa" thing seems kind of shaky to me. Alessa's real body died in the first game, but she sent a part of herself away as Cheryl / Heather, right? (if I'm understanding the story like everyone else did). Silent Hill continues to be a place where the Old Gods have power in the second game, allowing James' adventure to happen because of his and the other characters' guilt. Then, in the third game, the Order attempt to rebirth God (Alessa or Samael, whoever they really mean) in the hopes of bringing around Paradise (the Apocalypse). So, if we're going under the assumption that these statements are true, then The Order hasn't had any Gods under their control (let alone Alessa) since the first game. While they continued to worship the Old Gods, they haven't had any power since Harry was alive. So, why now are they suddenly trying to replace Alessa? It just seems contrived, to me. Especially the idea that the Order itself drew all these people to Silent Hill by their own power. It seems far-fetched.
Also, who is Rose Wolf? - . -' This might be another example of my stupidity, but she didn't show up on a google search and she isn't in the Room or Main Roleplay profiles.
Also, also, I thought it kind of obvious that Walter is going to try and perform the 21 Sacraments again. I assumed that was what Silent Hill Harry wanted, since the roleplay revolves around filling the Apartments back up with people for Walter to rape and all that such and bother. Because he has abandoned his dreams of reviving his 'mother' it is more likely that, if he invokes a God into existence to bring about Paradise, he would invoke it into himself. So, I can definitely jive with that idea. Of Walter becoming a God, or (at least), a shell for a God.
I doubt the other Gods will really care. They've never showed interest in one another before. I believe they are completely absorbed in fulfilling their purpose and don't really give two shits about one another.
Also, I think it's silly for Henry to come back. In general. I think it's silly for any of the main characters from the other games to come back. Why in the world would they, in the first place, if they're doing it of their own will? There's no motivation. I guess Heather has motivation to go to find her father (which is also extremely shaky and thin, being that we have yet to establish any kind of reason for Harry being brought back to life in the first place). But, otherwise, none of the other characters have a good motivation, including Henry and Eileen. Who would willingly step back into hell itself? It, again, sounds contrived. If I were reading this as a fanfic or something, I would immediately think to myself, "What a weak excuse to bring back all the canon characters. Ghey."
And! And, and, and, I'm not trying to sound pissy. I'm just being honest. I've played other Silent Hill roleplays that were thought out really well. With this kind of series to bounce off of, I think anything half-assed looks especially messy. The storyline should be better thought out before we dive in. Otherwise, it will just be about the original and canon characters interacting and not about the story at all.Silent Harry Mason That makes sense, I agree. Alessa's reasoning for reviving Harry: Check all three? Walter becoming a God? Hmmm...weird. possibly. BUT NOT likely? The Order setting up a trial? The blood has some thing needed to be placed on God's fetus, this fits the blood of Ian's parents who are all going to die, and his tortured soul from all the pain allows them to use the darkened blood from Ian's angst to basically cause Heather's fetus to become tainted by his desire for revenge... I'm not sure though, how do we make everyone feel important in this kind of idea? We have all these clashing forces...how do we add it up exactly? xD
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Posted: Thu Jun 30, 2011 1:54 pm
MistressFuyutsuki This is a really long post, so I hope you don't mind if I break this up a little bit. :3
The whole, "All the people lead here are possible replacements for Alessa" thing seems kind of shaky to me. Alessa's real body died in the first game, but she sent a part of herself away as Cheryl / Heather, right? (if I'm understanding the story like everyone else did). Silent Hill continues to be a place where the Old Gods have power in the second game, allowing James' adventure to happen because of his and the other characters' guilt. Then, in the third game, the Order attempt to rebirth God (Alessa or Samael, whoever they really mean) in the hopes of bringing around Paradise (the Apocalypse). So, if we're going under the assumption that these statements are true, then The Order hasn't had any Gods under their control (let alone Alessa) since the first game. MistressFuyutsuki While they continued to worship the Old Gods, they haven't had any power since Harry was alive. So, why now are they suddenly trying to replace Alessa? It just seems contrived, to me. Especially the idea that the Order itself drew all these people to Silent Hill by their own power. It seems far-fetched.
I was trying to offer up something, not necessarily new, but just something to chew on. And I explained earlier that they're trying to replace Alessa because in the main storyline for this Guild, Alessa doesn't seem to have that much power left. So, I was trying to sort of search for a derived solution that swims around in the game's mythos.
In the games, The Order was more than capable of getting a person, or person(s) they needed to get to the town, somehow. And if that doesn't work, then you could just re-route that idea. The God, or Gods have a twisted way of bringing people to Silent Hill and in the games, a lot of people state, that "the town is calling them", or somehow, stumble across clues, or hints in dreams, memories, delusions, hallucinations, the list can go on. There's tons of ways that The Order just follows through with what they're being told to do once the people get there. And they're fanatics. They'll do whatever they can to abide by the God, or Gods' wishes.
As a side note: Everything about Silent Hill is far-fetched. I think we're all more than entitled to play with as many concepts as we want to sort of just warp the idea even further for fun's sake XDDD <3
We'll all put our heads together and come up with something that'll be lasting in terms of story, characters involved, and how all this will affect the course of our storytelling capabilities. <3 biggrin And you know, it's a random thought, like I said. It's something to just chew on, digest, or regurgitate so we have some motors whirrin' about where we're all going. heart MistressFuyutsuki Also, who is Rose Wolf? - . -' This might be another example of my stupidity, but she didn't show up on a google search and she isn't in the Room or Main Roleplay profiles. MistressFuyutsuki Also, also, I thought it kind of obvious that Walter is going to try and perform the 21 Sacraments again. I assumed that was what Silent Hill Harry wanted, since the roleplay revolves around filling the Apartments back up with people for Walter to rape and all that such and bother. Because he has abandoned his dreams of reviving his 'mother' it is more likely that, if he invokes a God into existence to bring about Paradise, he would invoke it into himself. So, I can definitely jive with that idea. Of Walter becoming a God, or (at least), a shell for a God.
Another random thought that builds up on yours and the one I just typed up:
At the hypothetical prospect of these worlds colliding, or merging, somehow in the middle of all this, this causes some characters to develop a condition that enhances, or inhibits their abilities? (I need help with this, I don't know where I'm going with it, but hey, it's a random thought.)MistressFuyutsuki I doubt the other Gods will really care. They've never showed interest in one another before. I believe they are completely absorbed in fulfilling their purpose and don't really give two shits about one another.
Hey, yeah...another thought.
What if...
Okay, so we know there are a number of Gods that have been slain already. Samael, and whichever other Gods are named in the other games, but they've all been dispatched by the protagonists. What if that triggered something? What if something had been waiting, collecting the dying essence of the Gods underneath, like, another entity entirely, you know, just sitting there incubating. And it had to accumulate a multiple number of people and their pain with the addition of two more, or whatever number of Gods, or psychic people needed to bring this thing about? What if there was a dangerous mastermind who was part of the order and was manipulating events after Dhalia died? All these events would merge together in perfect pandemonium. It would be one helluva' ride if this was executed in a thoughtful way...
Anyway...yeah...another something to chew on, just in case...MistressFuyutsuki Also, I think it's silly for Henry to come back. In general. I think it's silly for any of the main characters from the other games to come back. Why in the world would they, in the first place, if they're doing it of their own will? There's no motivation. I guess Heather has motivation to go to find her father (which is also extremely shaky and thin, being that we have yet to establish any kind of reason for Harry being brought back to life in the first place). But, otherwise, none of the other characters have a good motivation, including Henry and Eileen. Who would willingly step back into hell itself? It, again, sounds contrived. If I were reading this as a fanfic or something, I would immediately think to myself, "What a weak excuse to bring back all the canon characters. Ghey."
As for Harry we can all help each other solidify it more, yeah? Elaborate upon it and see where it fits.
Okay, okay, okay, well, as for comments such as "Ghey" and stuff, yeah sure, I can see why. But if it's necessary, again, we can come together and help expand upon it. Creativity ftw! biggrin We can all try and see where this could be going and such biggrin Uhm, so, yeah I personally agree with the movement for a stronger relevance to the canons return.MistressFuyutsuki And! And, and, and, I'm not trying to sound pissy. I'm just being honest. I've played other Silent Hill roleplays that were thought out really well. With this kind of series to bounce off of, I think anything half-assed looks especially messy. The storyline should be better thought out before we dive in. Otherwise, it will just be about the original and canon characters interacting and not about the story at all.
We would have to think of implicit details and the like, but keep open enough for other players to freely explore, not only what they need to come to terms with, but to explore other players' characters; I guess what I'm trying to say, is for the ability to consecrate shared empathy within a group of people who have shared the same kind of pain. I believe it's a fairly tall order, but it's not impossible to try and do.
Of course, I know everyone is itching to bash in monsters and get into the roleplay right away, and I'm sure we can come up with something as a group and have a bunch of input from the roelplayers, too. However, I know some folks just want to jump the gun and dive into all of it.
I think we can all do this together. biggrin Uhm, just, I think it'll take a little more time and effort, but since we have multiple heads stewing up some good stuff, I think the time could be halved.
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Meditatus Sanctum Mien Captain
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Meditatus Sanctum Mien Captain
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Posted: Thu Jun 30, 2011 2:11 pm
Silent Harry Mason Meditatus Sanctum Mien Silent Harry Mason That makes sense, I agree. Alessa's reasoning for reviving Harry: Check all three? Walter becoming a God? Hmmm...weird. possibly. BUT NOT likely? The Order setting up a trial? The blood has some thing needed to be placed on God's fetus, this fits the blood of Ian's parents who are all going to die, and his tortured soul from all the pain allows them to use the darkened blood from Ian's angst to basically cause Heather's fetus to become tainted by his desire for revenge... I'm not sure though, how do we make everyone feel important in this kind of idea? We have all these clashing forces...how do we add it up exactly? xD
As for the other one, just give me about 8 hours of sleep XDDDTook Alright. xD
I'm trying to synthesize all the ideas into one, but you can have the over-arching plot, and then have sub-plots that develop intrigue and multiple layers of character development. Since you want the main plot to take place, the other sub-plots will eventually lead to other stories. So, leaving clues and hints for the roleplayers will help immensely in building on the main plot.
Where to start? Well, it would be to...read and see where all the characters are coming from in the character subforum, first. The sooner we get a good idea for what we have right now, we'll be able to customize the story to those ends for the roleplayers' sake and the characters, as well.
The Virtuous Blood...hmm...there's plenty of people who'll be more than happy to roleplay a few psychologically unstable folks in The Order. I think it would be beneficial to have a subforum dedicated to the that, or something, I don't know XDDD I know I have Jonathan to be a good addition to that cult in particular. There needs to be a good format for the other players to want to get involved with.
For Walter's Funhouse of Misery and Pain, I think there should be an inversed version of the 21 sacraments. Or something else that's achieves the same ends for him, but entirely different in execution.
I'm losing brainpower XDDD
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Posted: Thu Jun 30, 2011 2:47 pm
I've been asleep all day, hence my lack of replies, you both are helping me with great ideas, but honestly, I doubt I'll easily be able to express half of those ideas carefully without help... rofl But I'm liking it, and you both are bringing a lot of good things to the table. I don't wish to go a bad route in the story, and all your ideas seem to pretty much work at the moment.........what if we very easily make certain concepts look like they are moving in a particular way at some point then twist it around in a 90o angle? We need to upscale the mindf*ck 160o.
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Meditatus Sanctum Mien Captain
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Posted: Thu Jun 30, 2011 2:49 pm
Silent Harry Mason I've been asleep all day, hence my lack of replies, you both are helping me with great ideas, but honestly, I doubt I'll easily be able to express half of those ideas carefully without help... rofl But I'm liking it, and you both are bringing a lot of good things to the table. I don't wish to go a bad route in the story, and all your ideas seem to pretty much work at the moment.........what if we very easily make certain concepts look like they are moving in a particular way at some point then twist it around in a 90o angle? We need to upscale the mindf*ck 160o.
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Posted: Thu Jun 30, 2011 2:54 pm
Meditatus Sanctum Mien Silent Harry Mason I've been asleep all day, hence my lack of replies, you both are helping me with great ideas, but honestly, I doubt I'll easily be able to express half of those ideas carefully without help... rofl But I'm liking it, and you both are bringing a lot of good things to the table. I don't wish to go a bad route in the story, and all your ideas seem to pretty much work at the moment.........what if we very easily make certain concepts look like they are moving in a particular way at some point then twist it around in a 90o angle? We need to upscale the mindf*ck 160o. Indeed. >=D
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Eternal Marionetta Vice Captain
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Posted: Sat Jul 09, 2011 5:41 pm
I'll log into my Walter account for this rp if you would like.
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Posted: Sat Jul 09, 2011 5:49 pm
Eternal Marionetta I'll log into my Walter account for this rp if you would like. You do that, or use this one. It's up to you Netta.
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Eternal Marionetta Vice Captain
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Posted: Sat Jul 09, 2011 5:52 pm
Silent Harry Mason Eternal Marionetta I'll log into my Walter account for this rp if you would like. You do that, or use this one. It's up to you Netta. Gotcha. Guy that is an a*****e to me but now wants medical advice: My throat is sore in the morning. Why is that, Netta? Me: You're sucking too much c**k.
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Posted: Sat Jul 09, 2011 5:54 pm
Eternal Marionetta Silent Harry Mason Eternal Marionetta I'll log into my Walter account for this rp if you would like. You do that, or use this one. It's up to you Netta. Gotcha. Guy that is an a*****e to me but now wants medical advice: My throat is sore in the morning. Why is that, Netta? Me: You're sucking too much c**k. Come again?
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Eternal Marionetta Vice Captain
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Posted: Sat Jul 09, 2011 5:58 pm
Silent Harry Mason Eternal Marionetta Silent Harry Mason Eternal Marionetta I'll log into my Walter account for this rp if you would like. You do that, or use this one. It's up to you Netta. Gotcha. Guy that is an a*****e to me but now wants medical advice: My throat is sore in the morning. Why is that, Netta? Me: You're sucking too much c**k. Come again? Eh... I said something I was proud of.
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Posted: Sat Jul 09, 2011 5:59 pm
Eternal Marionetta Silent Harry Mason Eternal Marionetta Silent Harry Mason Eternal Marionetta I'll log into my Walter account for this rp if you would like. You do that, or use this one. It's up to you Netta. Gotcha. Guy that is an a*****e to me but now wants medical advice: My throat is sore in the morning. Why is that, Netta? Me: You're sucking too much c**k. Come again? Eh... I said something I was proud of. :l I see....
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Eternal Marionetta Vice Captain
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Posted: Sat Jul 09, 2011 6:01 pm
Silent Harry Mason Eternal Marionetta Silent Harry Mason Eternal Marionetta Silent Harry Mason Eternal Marionetta I'll log into my Walter account for this rp if you would like. You do that, or use this one. It's up to you Netta. Gotcha. Guy that is an a*****e to me but now wants medical advice: My throat is sore in the morning. Why is that, Netta? Me: You're sucking too much c**k. Come again? Eh... I said something I was proud of. :l I see.... Yeah... It was really funny.
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