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 Posted: Mon Feb 27, 2012 1:30 pm
Dramatica Angeliqua What does this crap have to do with the Illuminati? It's religious debate, and religious debates are worthless pieces of s**t because nobody ever listens to anyone else. When people talk about religion, do you know what comes out of it? Insults! Insults! Though, I will give you a s**ty website that says debate is stupid! See why HERE. Nobody gives a damn about unicorns' existence or fairies, but people apparently have a problem with God's existence, whether he exists or not. So sit down, shut up, and listen. Besides, people are already getting into condescending dialogue, so the whole thing is ruined and not worth it anymore. Who ******* cares what people believe. I certainly don't care if I'm friends with a Muslim. If they're Muslim, then so be it! Big Daddy?I am not arguing, I am merely talking about current events. Have you heard of what the Illuminati plan to do? Create one world government, and bring about one world leader, that leader will be the anti-christ. Last time I checked people talked about religion in the forum this was posted in.
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Posted: Mon Feb 27, 2012 1:38 pm
Silent Harry Mason Dramatica Angeliqua What does this crap have to do with the Illuminati? It's religious debate, and religious debates are worthless pieces of s**t because nobody ever listens to anyone else. When people talk about religion, do you know what comes out of it? Insults! Insults! Though, I will give you a s**ty website that says debate is stupid! See why HERE. Nobody gives a damn about unicorns' existence or fairies, but people apparently have a problem with God's existence, whether he exists or not. So sit down, shut up, and listen. Besides, people are already getting into condescending dialogue, so the whole thing is ruined and not worth it anymore. Who ******* cares what people believe. I certainly don't care if I'm friends with a Muslim. If they're Muslim, then so be it! Big Daddy?I am not arguing, I am merely talking about current events. Have you heard of what the Illuminati plan to do? Create one world government, and bring about one world leader, that leader will be the anti-christ. Last time I checked people talked about religion in the forum this was posted in.
*Also, to add a little to the illuminati thing, you will need a bit of support to your claim on that or it sounds silly, especially since lately there has been discussion of how the illuminati isn't exactly sounding that real anymore. Well, if they are, not as powerful.
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Posted: Mon Feb 27, 2012 1:41 pm
Tuttiefrutti I don't believe there is a god. If there was, why all of the suffering? It doesn't matter whether you believe in him or not, there are only two destinations after this world, Heaven, and Hell. You either accept him, ask him to forgive you, accept the love and mercy he put into dying on the cross for you or reject him. He loves you, he doesn't want you to feel pain, and be depressed, if you could feel his love right now like I do, you would never want to be apart from it. You see, after Adam and Eve sinned, this world became corrupt, every human gained a sin nature, they died spiritually to being kind and without wrong. Because we live in a falling evil world, we can sin, we can hurt others and feel hurt. But if we accept God, we can be forgiven, he died on the cross by his own free will, because the bible states that without the shedding of blood, there is no forgiveness of sins, God sent Jesus to die so that he could save us, he left, but one day soon, he will come back, the true Christians will leave with him, and then all hell will break loose, people will be crying and wailing over missing families, missing people, but these people never accepted Jesus, so unless they accept Jesus within the seven year Tribulation, that the Anti Christ rules over, they will go to hell. And they don't have to accept the mark only to go to hell during the Tribulation, there will be all kinds of terrible disasters, and war. That alone could kill people.
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Posted: Mon Feb 27, 2012 1:54 pm
KingLeonidas57 Silent Harry Mason KingLeonidas57 Silent Harry Mason KingLeonidas57 Silent Harry Mason Heh, if you read my whole point, you would see what I was saying, and if you won't read it then meh. Of course Atheism sounds more sensible than Religion, if you want to run away. That is because you can see it with your own two eyes. and No, truthfully Atheism is the most violent religion. For example: Many wars have been caused by it. The Romans got rid of their morals, then the Roman Empire fell, Communism was an attempt to take God out of society, look at the destruction it caused, Hitler couldn't have believed in God truly, he was a mass murderer. There have been crusades by "Christians" But I wouldn't call the Christians. They claimed to serve God, they didn't though. You actually didn't read what I was saying, then again, most of what you said went off topic. The point of this thread is the claim of whether God exists or not right? How is it going off topic to go to the heart of the matter? Here is a too long; didn't read of what I said: Athiests/most scientists don't believe in God, they don't believe in an afterlife, most people use this as a means to escape justice, and accountability. Those who believe in God, or afterlife believe in some kind of judgement, and Paradise. There are many things that show God in our lives. Atheists, and Darwinists claim that their claims are right despite not seeing it first hand, you could say the same about some Christians. One of these have to be wrong, and neither can be proven until death. You won't be forced to agree with me, many of these things can be registered as fact, you still won't believe it if you choose to hold to your values. You sort of contradicted yourself by the way when you said that you can't take writings essays, etc and can't manipulate things to make it valid. Evolution isn't fully proven, I'm not saying that nothing changes over time, such as different types of fur, and colors. I believe in Micro Evolution, but not 360 change over millions of years. And another thing, lets see here, you say that you can fully prove another animal eventually evolved into you and me based on a series of random events over millions of years that you have never witnessed yourself, turned them into a record and claimed that they have to be related, and state that as fact. Versus, a creator that with complete love created us and gave us relevance, which one is harder to believe? I think Atheism, you got to believe a lot more, just to deny that God exists, you got to search any random direction to find any kind of so-called "Evidence." You could say that religion formed when some random guy looked up at a star and claimed they saw some rainbow monkey clown, but then why would that even start huh? There had to be something to make people believe in a higher power, and there is just no way that nothing can create anything. Again, I only read a couple of sentences, and I can already write a 20 pages essay over the crap you just said, however, I have other priorities. The only thing I want to say right now is that atheism is not a religion. I maybe get back to you. Maybe. Well then explain yourself then. And no, Athiesm is so a religion, a religion of believing in yourself rather than God, I see nothing backing any of the crap you've spewed. :3 Christianity isn't a religion either, it's a relationship, if you're thinking of Christianity as some kind of long mass, that isn't what it's even about. You can't disprove my point. I simply said if I'm wrong, we both cease to exist, but if I'm right, then those who don't believe are in trouble if they don't change. What is so hard to agree about that? Also, please don't assume that I'm trying to be rude or anything, I'm not. :/ I'm trying to be civil here. AHAHHAHAAH!!!11!! Dude, I can't tell if you're posing as a Christian or really that ignorant. But this made my day....ahh rofl ....i really need to stop procrastinating... No, I am a Christian, and it's funny. Ya know, if you want to play the ignorant game, why not explain yourself. BD It's really funny to see people who claim others are ignorant when they bring the cards to the table. How am I uneducated, or not knowing about things? I bet all your life, you've seen religion from a secular view point, but not everyone is about rules, religion is about rules and laws. The thing is, Christianity true biblical Christianity is about the relationship between God and man being restored by God's ability, not by the ability of mankind. This contradicts it being a religion, hence why I said that. If you think you know everything, bring some cards to the table, you can claim evolution, and how the world started, and all of that, I won't disagree with 100% of it, but when it comes to the Missing Link, you are left wanting. None of these scientists, nor you have seen how the world has started, or when exactly Dinosaurs, and other prehistoric creatures roamed the earth, you can have guesses, but do you know with ABSOLUTE CERTAINTY that everything happened the way scientists wrote that it did? You have your guesses, and your bones, I have several things myself though, The Dead Sea Scrolls, The Ark ruins, the fact that many biblical predictions are coming true, and no, they are not simple. stare You can give me the man can't predict something from the past bologna, but I'm not talking from a worldly perspective, obviously no man can truly do that without some sort of spiritual help of some sort, God has explained what the last days would be like in his word, Wars, rumors of wars, famines, pestilences in strange places, false prophets, the rate of the gospel being preached would increase, Israel becoming a nation again is the biggest sign. Look into the history of how Israel was reborn, the chances were truly against them, but they stayed together as a nation after they founded in 1948. Since then, what the bible says has been coming true, wars have increased, natural disasters have increased, famines have grown worse, pestilences are becoming stronger, many people have claimed to be Jesus, look it up if you want to, they've caused tons of trouble, and then we have gospel stations like TBN, you can't deny all of those things together, the bible isn't saying the obvious that we will have wars, and all of those other signs, it says they will increase until Jesus will come back. That is basically one of the only things that hasn't happened yet. That and Israel being attacked, you can see that there are countries that wish to do so, and soon. A religion is a system of beliefs and practices that attempts to order life in terms of culturally perceived ultimate priorities. Is the Bible not a book of orders and laws? Is mass, confession, or baptism not a Christian practice? Hmmmm...Kinda sounds like a religion. Atheism does not have a system of beliefs or practices, therefore not a religion. In Christianity, if you were not to follow the Bible, would you still be able to go to your heaven? Well, according to you, yes, because if just talked to God alot, then you'll get in for sure! It's all about having a good relationship. Yeah, I was a Christian, but looking into it, it sounded like mythology. Pure fiction. Evolution sounds more logical than a big man in the sky creating the universe...Again, sounds like mythology to me. Speciation can happen suddenly. It don't have to go gradually. And talking about the ark. How the crap can the world be flooded? Where did all the water come from? Where did it go? How come there is organisms in different stratas instead of one gigantic strata? It doesn't add up. I see no credibility in the Bible. Again, I didn't want to sort through your throw up, so the rest I didn't read (Probably some useless junk that doesn't pertain to the discussion). You should condense that crap. Didn't know religion was in the context of Christianity. For one: In NO other belief system can you find man with a loving caring God who has no desire to punish us every time we make a mistake. Number two: God is not willing that any should perish, and but all should come to repentance, this isn't here for you to debate with me. I don't have to show you proof, because you can't give me proof. What proof do you have about the vast universe that you can 100% disprove any God? The Bible isn't about laws, it is often perceived as something we have to work towards. Let me explain something to. Remember the rich man who asked God what he needed to do to earn his way into Heaven? Jesus said that he must sell all his stuff, then the man left sadly, he was rich. You see, this is what he WOULD HAVE TO DO. It never said HE COULD do this. The Ten Commandments are unkeepable. The bible says we are born in sin, therefore we all should go to hell. We can't possible not lie, steal, lust after others, use God's name in vain, be jealous of others, covet people's things, and serve him only in our own earthly nature. That is why Jesus was sent, Heaven isn't earned, you have to ask Jesus to forgive you, and to save you, you do that and he will save you. God loves us, and sent his son to die for us, this is why we are saved as Christians, and no disrespect but if you have never felt God's peace, I don't think you were a Christian. A Christian isn't one who practices principles, the only way to be a Christian is to have faith in God, he has to give you that though. You misunderstand what being a Christian means, therefore with this knowledge of Biblical Christianity, you can't claim that it is a Religion. We can't work our way to God, you thought that I meant talking to God a lot, I am not saying we can pray our way to God, if you ask him for mercy, he instantly forgive you if you mean it. We don't work and practice. God is the only one who can help us. However is Atheism having no laws, stating that there is no God, how is there a right or wrong then? Where does bad come from? Prove that bad is bad, all people can do is enforce people to obey laws. Now I am not going to debate with you any further, if you read this, but don't believe Jesus, I am not going to try to make you do what you have put in your heart to do. Believe in him and be saved, if you don't, that is up to you.
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Posted: Mon Feb 27, 2012 1:56 pm
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Posted: Mon Feb 27, 2012 2:06 pm
I don't remember this talk being about trying to convert others. More as a discussion.
I want to point out that there may be a possible deity out there, even though I don't believe in it. If there is, I don't think it would eternally damn someone because they didn't have any belief in the being. How self centered is that? Really...
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Posted: Mon Feb 27, 2012 2:07 pm
Captain_Shinzo Silent Harry Mason Dramatica Angeliqua What does this crap have to do with the Illuminati? It's religious debate, and religious debates are worthless pieces of s**t because nobody ever listens to anyone else. When people talk about religion, do you know what comes out of it? Insults! Insults! Though, I will give you a s**ty website that says debate is stupid! See why HERE. Nobody gives a damn about unicorns' existence or fairies, but people apparently have a problem with God's existence, whether he exists or not. So sit down, shut up, and listen. Besides, people are already getting into condescending dialogue, so the whole thing is ruined and not worth it anymore. Who ******* cares what people believe. I certainly don't care if I'm friends with a Muslim. If they're Muslim, then so be it! Big Daddy?I am not arguing, I am merely talking about current events. Have you heard of what the Illuminati plan to do? Create one world government, and bring about one world leader, that leader will be the anti-christ. Last time I checked people talked about religion in the forum this was posted in.
*Also, to add a little to the illuminati thing, you will need a bit of support to your claim on that or it sounds silly, especially since lately there has been discussion of how the illuminati isn't exactly sounding that real anymore. Well, if they are, not as powerful.Um why have God, Spirituality, 2012, and so-fourth in the forum if such things are not to be discussed? I don't need more proof than what the bible has already stated about what the Anti-Christ, One World Order, the Illuminati, What Aliens actually are, what they intend to do, and what is happening in our future. So do not say my thread is off topic. People have their own beliefs, do you suggest that I try to argue with them and change them? I can't, people are going to accept what they want to. What you think you believe about the Government evil, doesn't make it true right? The same goes your way, for one, the whole world is close to a New World Order. Between Israel, and Iran, you can clearly see that a huge war is about to break out in our world, which is also recorded in Bible Prophecy. In fact, if you don't choose to believe that all of these growing problems are not the exact signs that are stated in Bible Prophecy concerning Jesus's return, that is up to you. There will be wars, and rumors of wars, happening all throughout this age. There will be famines in strange places. There will be pestilences, we are having many of those. Natural disasters, check. False Christs, we've had some scary occurrences with people leading others to death. Scoffers, people say all the time, "Where is he? It has been over 2000 years." The bible is spread often through various Christian ministries, and people, that is a major sign. Seeing as all of these signs are increasing in speed, there are no signs left to be fulfilled, which is why that is soon, how soon? I can't specify.
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Posted: Mon Feb 27, 2012 2:13 pm
Captain_Shinzo I don't remember this talk being about trying to convert others. More as a discussion.
I want to point out that there may be a possible deity out there, even though I don't believe in it. If there is, I don't think it would eternally damn someone because they didn't have any belief in the being. How self centered is that? Really... Uh, you are missing the point, and I'm not trying to convert anybody so don't criticize, I am stating what God's word says about it, and why you should believe it, if you don't want to believe it, feel free, leave, I am not forcing you to believe it. I wasn't the one who revived this thread either. And according to the bible, Jesus said that he is the way, the truth, and the life, nobody comes to the father but through him. Therefore that is how it is damning, if you are trying to obtain Heaven, when in Jesus's words, he is saying that we can't do it but through him, then that is how. You are rejecting a God who has stated that he loved us, and wants us to be forgiven for the wrongs we have done so that we can be with him one day. You can believe that there are many Gods, but do you see People being healed in the name of Buddha, Mohammad, or any other name? If you look on the internet, and many other places, there have been so many testimonies and claims of healing, can you possibly deny all of them? EDIT: Please don't think that I am trying to push against you or anything, just look about what I am saying in the eyes of God, what if he does exist, and that is reality, imagine what he thinks about that if that is the truth, doesn't it make more sense?
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Posted: Mon Feb 27, 2012 2:17 pm
Silent Harry Mason Captain_Shinzo Silent Harry Mason Dramatica Angeliqua What does this crap have to do with the Illuminati? It's religious debate, and religious debates are worthless pieces of s**t because nobody ever listens to anyone else. When people talk about religion, do you know what comes out of it? Insults! Insults! Though, I will give you a s**ty website that says debate is stupid! See why HERE. Nobody gives a damn about unicorns' existence or fairies, but people apparently have a problem with God's existence, whether he exists or not. So sit down, shut up, and listen. Besides, people are already getting into condescending dialogue, so the whole thing is ruined and not worth it anymore. Who ******* cares what people believe. I certainly don't care if I'm friends with a Muslim. If they're Muslim, then so be it! Big Daddy?I am not arguing, I am merely talking about current events. Have you heard of what the Illuminati plan to do? Create one world government, and bring about one world leader, that leader will be the anti-christ. Last time I checked people talked about religion in the forum this was posted in.
*Also, to add a little to the illuminati thing, you will need a bit of support to your claim on that or it sounds silly, especially since lately there has been discussion of how the illuminati isn't exactly sounding that real anymore. Well, if they are, not as powerful.Um why have God, Spirituality, 2012, and so-fourth in the forum if such things are not to be discussed? I don't need more proof than what the bible has already stated about what the Anti-Christ, One World Order, the Illuminati, What Aliens actually are, what they intend to do, and what is happening in our future. So do not say my thread is off topic. People have their own beliefs, do you suggest that I try to argue with them and change them? I can't, people are going to accept what they want to. What you think you believe about the Government evil, doesn't make it true right? The same goes your way, for one, the whole world is close to a New World Order. Between Israel, and Iran, you can clearly see that a huge war is about to break out in our world, which is also recorded in Bible Prophecy. In fact, if you don't choose to believe that all of these growing problems are not the exact signs that are stated in Bible Prophecy concerning Jesus's return, that is up to you. There will be wars, and rumors of wars, happening all throughout this age. There will be famines in strange places. There will be pestilences, we are having many of those. Natural disasters, check. False Christs, we've had some scary occurrences with people leading others to death. Scoffers, people say all the time, "Where is he? It has been over 2000 years." The bible is spread often through various Christian ministries, and people, that is a major sign. Seeing as all of these signs are increasing in speed, there are no signs left to be fulfilled, which is why that is soon, how soon? I can't specify.
It is great to question many things, which is what this guild is about.
However, it's also good to play The Devil's Advocate and sometimes even go against your own beliefs or choosing to debate on a side you aren't sure about.
Take for example the famous story "12 Angry Men". We could ALL spout here talking about how God or some kind of god is real and he's pretty great, have faith in him, etc etc... However, what if one person stood out and raised question, pointed out some interesting facts, and made some good points to change people's minds on their own without making them or asking them?
After all, there are plenty of unsure things in this world. The government is stupid and ignorant trying to use some devilish ideas behind our backs which is actually going to destroy them, we have the Roman Catholic Church we can't even believe in because not only have they been recently telling BS about the pope being possessed by the devil trying to explain the reasons as to why he raped some kids, that Jesus wasn't real, spreading lies about the illuminati when in fact they were actually a good group within 1776 which I hope I put the correct date, and many other things in this world seem falsified to our own beliefs.
Honestly, the only thing true in this world is our own mind and I rather not pollute it without something to back it up, agreed?
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Posted: Mon Feb 27, 2012 2:19 pm
Silent Harry Mason Captain_Shinzo I don't remember this talk being about trying to convert others. More as a discussion.
I want to point out that there may be a possible deity out there, even though I don't believe in it. If there is, I don't think it would eternally damn someone because they didn't have any belief in the being. How self centered is that? Really... Uh, you are missing the point, and I'm not trying to convert anybody so don't criticize, I am stating what God's word says about it, and why you should believe it, if you don't want to believe it, feel free, leave, I am not forcing you to believe it. I wasn't the one who revived this thread either. And according to the bible, Jesus said that he is the way, the truth, and the life, nobody comes to the father but through him. Therefore that is how it is damning, if you are trying to obtain Heaven, when in Jesus's words, he is saying that we can't do it but through him, then that is how. You are rejecting a God who has stated that he loved us, and wants us to be forgiven for the wrongs we have done so that we can be with him one day. You can believe that there are many Gods, but do you see People being healed in the name of Buddha, Mohammad, or any other name? If you look on the internet, and many other places, there have been so many testimonies and claims of healing, can you possibly deny all of them? EDIT: Please don't think that I am trying to push against you or anything, just look about what I am saying in the eyes of God, what if he does exist, and that is reality, imagine what he thinks about that if that is the truth, doesn't it make more sense?
I'll give you that point, though.
There are plenty of other beliefs out there, though. A lot of them say they are true, too, and that doesn't mean they are less of a belief than Christianity, especially since Christianity isn't spread everywhere. After all, a person can't be Christian without learning about it so therefore they are a bit screwed if they are in a place that has no Christian influence what-so-ever.
A lot of people have many different belief and stories on religions. There are plenty of Arabic stories as well if you ever heard of the story on the diamond rains. That's just an example, though.
My point I'm trying to make is, let's say God is like a neighbor.
A good neighbor likes to hang out with you and comes by to visit from time to time and you guys give out Christmas cards and admire ones Halloween decorations or whatever. A bad neighbor doesn't really acknowledge you.
Now with that in mind, take in to perspective of a god being like a neighbor to me. This person has not tried making contact with me and doesn't hang around me nor has given me reason to believe in him, like him, or hang out with him. Hell, I even was Christian once but stopped. Meaning I did try first to get along and didn't exactly like it or enjoy it.
So, I find it more that this person should the bigger man and give me a reason to want to believe in him/her/whatever. If not...well damn...
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Posted: Mon Feb 27, 2012 3:20 pm
Captain_Shinzo Silent Harry Mason Captain_Shinzo I don't remember this talk being about trying to convert others. More as a discussion.
I want to point out that there may be a possible deity out there, even though I don't believe in it. If there is, I don't think it would eternally damn someone because they didn't have any belief in the being. How self centered is that? Really... Uh, you are missing the point, and I'm not trying to convert anybody so don't criticize, I am stating what God's word says about it, and why you should believe it, if you don't want to believe it, feel free, leave, I am not forcing you to believe it. I wasn't the one who revived this thread either. And according to the bible, Jesus said that he is the way, the truth, and the life, nobody comes to the father but through him. Therefore that is how it is damning, if you are trying to obtain Heaven, when in Jesus's words, he is saying that we can't do it but through him, then that is how. You are rejecting a God who has stated that he loved us, and wants us to be forgiven for the wrongs we have done so that we can be with him one day. You can believe that there are many Gods, but do you see People being healed in the name of Buddha, Mohammad, or any other name? If you look on the internet, and many other places, there have been so many testimonies and claims of healing, can you possibly deny all of them? EDIT: Please don't think that I am trying to push against you or anything, just look about what I am saying in the eyes of God, what if he does exist, and that is reality, imagine what he thinks about that if that is the truth, doesn't it make more sense?
I'll give you that point, though.
There are plenty of other beliefs out there, though. A lot of them say they are true, too, and that doesn't mean they are less of a belief than Christianity, especially since Christianity isn't spread everywhere. After all, a person can't be Christian without learning about it so therefore they are a bit screwed if they are in a place that has no Christian influence what-so-ever.
A lot of people have many different belief and stories on religions. There are plenty of Arabic stories as well if you ever heard of the story on the diamond rains. That's just an example, though.
My point I'm trying to make is, let's say God is like a neighbor.
A good neighbor likes to hang out with you and comes by to visit from time to time and you guys give out Christmas cards and admire ones Halloween decorations or whatever. A bad neighbor doesn't really acknowledge you.
Now with that in mind, take in to perspective of a god being like a neighbor to me. This person has not tried making contact with me and doesn't hang around me nor has given me reason to believe in him, like him, or hang out with him. Hell, I even was Christian once but stopped. Meaning I did try first to get along and didn't exactly like it or enjoy it.
So, I find it more that this person should the bigger man and give me a reason to want to believe in him/her/whatever. If not...well damn...In God's eyes, he has tried to contact you, what? Did you say a few prayers, get an answer you didn't like? Then leave? Maybe you see it that way that he doesn't want you if he exists, but the fact that you're here is another time he is trying to talk to you. But God doesn't try to force you to believe in him, he allows you to freely accept him, or reject him, though this is where that line becomes more narrow. If you ask him to forgive you, he comes inside of you, he is a God that can be felt, I'm not sure if you have ever felt that experience, but he changed me. I used to be religious, I used to think that God might exist, but things got so hard, and so much fear entered my life that I wasn't sure anymore. But I asked him to help me, he didn't physically say anything to me, but he pointed me to some bible pamphlet I found in my Halloween candy one night, I read it, then asked God to forgive me. He did, and will never leave. Now you see, God doesn't answer every prayer in the way that we want, sometimes sadly when we pray that God saves one of our family, or friend, and it doesn't happen, we sometimes think to hate him, and we try to move away. I used to be a Catholic, now I don't think of myself under any denomination, not Baptist, not Protestant, not Lutheran, or any type. The answer that is important is are you Christian. You see God never promised that life would be easy, it only gets much much harder, it tests us at times, and makes us fear and wonder if God will ever see us out of it. Now you see have you ever thought that Buddha could have possibly invented what he believed because suffering was so bad, and he wanted to take people's minds off of it? Or what about Hinduism? There is no good or bad, it simply is? How does that work? So going by that, are people saying that if they murder, rape, steal, and do evil that they can? Now don't get me wrong Buddhism and Hinduism believe both in Reincarnation correct? Well the thing that these two things have in common is that they both stress good works. Islam doesn't truly speak of a loving God, and also stresses good works. Not one Religion stresses mercy by God's grace alone, not one. Explain this. The other "Gods" according to the one true God are not Gods at all, but he calls them idols that do not see, or hear, or speak. If anything supernatural does occur in these, it is demonic, you understand that the Devil can also do things and manifest himself right? But when he does it, he doesn't usually do so in a way that looks bad, he tries to be a wolf in sheep's clothing, he tries to draw us in with these lies. He tries to say 'sweet words that sound good' and use buttery things that people like to hear, because once he has you, he can take it off, then pick you up with his jaws, then devour you. That is how the devil always works. I was so confused before I accepted Jesus that I was at the point of absolute unsureness, I only knew that not all of these things could possibly be right, they conflict with one another. Some believe in the next life we live on as disembodied spirits, the bible calls these familiar spirits, demons, the 'ghosts people channel up' are these. They only take the form of people to trick them, and it always is for one's own destruction. Some people believe we just die, now that can't be the same as the others right? So we either live on in Heaven, or Hell, get reincarnated, don't live on. But of course, I'm not trying to disrespect other people so please don't misunderstand me. Anyways but yeah, if you even say I don't know if there is a God or not, but if so, help me. He will help you, he will make himself known to you, he will show you why things are as they are.
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Posted: Mon Feb 27, 2012 3:31 pm
Silent Harry Mason Captain_Shinzo Silent Harry Mason Captain_Shinzo I don't remember this talk being about trying to convert others. More as a discussion.
I want to point out that there may be a possible deity out there, even though I don't believe in it. If there is, I don't think it would eternally damn someone because they didn't have any belief in the being. How self centered is that? Really... Uh, you are missing the point, and I'm not trying to convert anybody so don't criticize, I am stating what God's word says about it, and why you should believe it, if you don't want to believe it, feel free, leave, I am not forcing you to believe it. I wasn't the one who revived this thread either. And according to the bible, Jesus said that he is the way, the truth, and the life, nobody comes to the father but through him. Therefore that is how it is damning, if you are trying to obtain Heaven, when in Jesus's words, he is saying that we can't do it but through him, then that is how. You are rejecting a God who has stated that he loved us, and wants us to be forgiven for the wrongs we have done so that we can be with him one day. You can believe that there are many Gods, but do you see People being healed in the name of Buddha, Mohammad, or any other name? If you look on the internet, and many other places, there have been so many testimonies and claims of healing, can you possibly deny all of them? EDIT: Please don't think that I am trying to push against you or anything, just look about what I am saying in the eyes of God, what if he does exist, and that is reality, imagine what he thinks about that if that is the truth, doesn't it make more sense?
I'll give you that point, though.
There are plenty of other beliefs out there, though. A lot of them say they are true, too, and that doesn't mean they are less of a belief than Christianity, especially since Christianity isn't spread everywhere. After all, a person can't be Christian without learning about it so therefore they are a bit screwed if they are in a place that has no Christian influence what-so-ever.
A lot of people have many different belief and stories on religions. There are plenty of Arabic stories as well if you ever heard of the story on the diamond rains. That's just an example, though.
My point I'm trying to make is, let's say God is like a neighbor.
A good neighbor likes to hang out with you and comes by to visit from time to time and you guys give out Christmas cards and admire ones Halloween decorations or whatever. A bad neighbor doesn't really acknowledge you.
Now with that in mind, take in to perspective of a god being like a neighbor to me. This person has not tried making contact with me and doesn't hang around me nor has given me reason to believe in him, like him, or hang out with him. Hell, I even was Christian once but stopped. Meaning I did try first to get along and didn't exactly like it or enjoy it.
So, I find it more that this person should the bigger man and give me a reason to want to believe in him/her/whatever. If not...well damn...In God's eyes, he has tried to contact you, what? Did you say a few prayers, get an answer you didn't like? Then leave? Maybe you see it that way that he doesn't want you if he exists, but the fact that you're here is another time he is trying to talk to you. But God doesn't try to force you to believe in him, he allows you to freely accept him, or reject him, though this is where that line becomes more narrow. If you ask him to forgive you, he comes inside of you, he is a God that can be felt, I'm not sure if you have ever felt that experience, but he changed me. I used to be religious, I used to think that God might exist, but things got so hard, and so much fear entered my life that I wasn't sure anymore. But I asked him to help me, he didn't physically say anything to me, but he pointed me to some bible pamphlet I found in my Halloween candy one night, I read it, then asked God to forgive me. He did, and will never leave. Now you see, God doesn't answer every prayer in the way that we want, sometimes sadly when we pray that God saves one of our family, or friend, and it doesn't happen, we sometimes think to hate him, and we try to move away. I used to be a Catholic, now I don't think of myself under any denomination, not Baptist, not Protestant, not Lutheran, or any type. The answer that is important is are you Christian. You see God never promised that life would be easy, it only gets much much harder, it tests us at times, and makes us fear and wonder if God will ever see us out of it. Now you see have you ever thought that Buddha could have possibly invented what he believed because suffering was so bad, and he wanted to take people's minds off of it? Or what about Hinduism? There is no good or bad, it simply is? How does that work? So going by that, are people saying that if they murder, rape, steal, and do evil that they can? Now don't get me wrong Buddhism and Hinduism believe both in Reincarnation correct? Well the thing that these two things have in common is that they both stress good works. Islam doesn't truly speak of a loving God, and also stresses good works. Not one Religion stresses mercy by God's grace alone, not one. Explain this. The other "Gods" according to the one true God are not Gods at all, but he calls them idols that do not see, or hear, or speak. If anything supernatural does occur in these, it is demonic, you understand that the Devil can also do things and manifest himself right? But when he does it, he doesn't usually do so in a way that looks bad, he tries to be a wolf in sheep's clothing, he tries to draw us in with these lies. He tries to say 'sweet words that sound good' and use buttery things that people like to hear, because once he has you, he can take it off, then pick you up with his jaws, then devour you. That is how the devil always works. I was so confused before I accepted Jesus that I was at the point of absolute unsureness, I only knew that not all of these things could possibly be right, they conflict with one another. Some believe in the next life we live on as disembodied spirits, the bible calls these familiar spirits, demons, the 'ghosts people channel up' are these. They only take the form of people to trick them, and it always is for one's own destruction. Some people believe we just die, now that can't be the same as the others right? So we either live on in Heaven, or Hell, get reincarnated, don't live on. But of course, I'm not trying to disrespect other people so please don't misunderstand me. Anyways but yeah, if you even say I don't know if there is a God or not, but if so, help me. He will help you, he will make himself known to you, he will show you why things are as they are.
Although, I trust that a higher being out there would accept the good I've done on this planet more than my faith. Mostly because kindness should be awarded, not stray belief. Kindness is like...a universal kind of belief.
So yes, maybe there will be a day I believe. I quite doubt it, but I hope that doesn't worry you or anyone of contrary for belief because I am happy. =o
Everything within history has been sin, even history itself. That's not so bad since it's a way of learning to better oneself. Repetition is the mother of learning, and history will repeat some times before we get it. People will learn to accept and love one another without trying to rule for power. That's how all dangers have been created. There should be no true rule, only living.
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Posted: Mon Feb 27, 2012 4:19 pm
Captain_Shinzo Silent Harry Mason Captain_Shinzo Silent Harry Mason Captain_Shinzo I don't remember this talk being about trying to convert others. More as a discussion.
I want to point out that there may be a possible deity out there, even though I don't believe in it. If there is, I don't think it would eternally damn someone because they didn't have any belief in the being. How self centered is that? Really... Uh, you are missing the point, and I'm not trying to convert anybody so don't criticize, I am stating what God's word says about it, and why you should believe it, if you don't want to believe it, feel free, leave, I am not forcing you to believe it. I wasn't the one who revived this thread either. And according to the bible, Jesus said that he is the way, the truth, and the life, nobody comes to the father but through him. Therefore that is how it is damning, if you are trying to obtain Heaven, when in Jesus's words, he is saying that we can't do it but through him, then that is how. You are rejecting a God who has stated that he loved us, and wants us to be forgiven for the wrongs we have done so that we can be with him one day. You can believe that there are many Gods, but do you see People being healed in the name of Buddha, Mohammad, or any other name? If you look on the internet, and many other places, there have been so many testimonies and claims of healing, can you possibly deny all of them? EDIT: Please don't think that I am trying to push against you or anything, just look about what I am saying in the eyes of God, what if he does exist, and that is reality, imagine what he thinks about that if that is the truth, doesn't it make more sense?
I'll give you that point, though.
There are plenty of other beliefs out there, though. A lot of them say they are true, too, and that doesn't mean they are less of a belief than Christianity, especially since Christianity isn't spread everywhere. After all, a person can't be Christian without learning about it so therefore they are a bit screwed if they are in a place that has no Christian influence what-so-ever.
A lot of people have many different belief and stories on religions. There are plenty of Arabic stories as well if you ever heard of the story on the diamond rains. That's just an example, though.
My point I'm trying to make is, let's say God is like a neighbor.
A good neighbor likes to hang out with you and comes by to visit from time to time and you guys give out Christmas cards and admire ones Halloween decorations or whatever. A bad neighbor doesn't really acknowledge you.
Now with that in mind, take in to perspective of a god being like a neighbor to me. This person has not tried making contact with me and doesn't hang around me nor has given me reason to believe in him, like him, or hang out with him. Hell, I even was Christian once but stopped. Meaning I did try first to get along and didn't exactly like it or enjoy it.
So, I find it more that this person should the bigger man and give me a reason to want to believe in him/her/whatever. If not...well damn...In God's eyes, he has tried to contact you, what? Did you say a few prayers, get an answer you didn't like? Then leave? Maybe you see it that way that he doesn't want you if he exists, but the fact that you're here is another time he is trying to talk to you. But God doesn't try to force you to believe in him, he allows you to freely accept him, or reject him, though this is where that line becomes more narrow. If you ask him to forgive you, he comes inside of you, he is a God that can be felt, I'm not sure if you have ever felt that experience, but he changed me. I used to be religious, I used to think that God might exist, but things got so hard, and so much fear entered my life that I wasn't sure anymore. But I asked him to help me, he didn't physically say anything to me, but he pointed me to some bible pamphlet I found in my Halloween candy one night, I read it, then asked God to forgive me. He did, and will never leave. Now you see, God doesn't answer every prayer in the way that we want, sometimes sadly when we pray that God saves one of our family, or friend, and it doesn't happen, we sometimes think to hate him, and we try to move away. I used to be a Catholic, now I don't think of myself under any denomination, not Baptist, not Protestant, not Lutheran, or any type. The answer that is important is are you Christian. You see God never promised that life would be easy, it only gets much much harder, it tests us at times, and makes us fear and wonder if God will ever see us out of it. Now you see have you ever thought that Buddha could have possibly invented what he believed because suffering was so bad, and he wanted to take people's minds off of it? Or what about Hinduism? There is no good or bad, it simply is? How does that work? So going by that, are people saying that if they murder, rape, steal, and do evil that they can? Now don't get me wrong Buddhism and Hinduism believe both in Reincarnation correct? Well the thing that these two things have in common is that they both stress good works. Islam doesn't truly speak of a loving God, and also stresses good works. Not one Religion stresses mercy by God's grace alone, not one. Explain this. The other "Gods" according to the one true God are not Gods at all, but he calls them idols that do not see, or hear, or speak. If anything supernatural does occur in these, it is demonic, you understand that the Devil can also do things and manifest himself right? But when he does it, he doesn't usually do so in a way that looks bad, he tries to be a wolf in sheep's clothing, he tries to draw us in with these lies. He tries to say 'sweet words that sound good' and use buttery things that people like to hear, because once he has you, he can take it off, then pick you up with his jaws, then devour you. That is how the devil always works. I was so confused before I accepted Jesus that I was at the point of absolute unsureness, I only knew that not all of these things could possibly be right, they conflict with one another. Some believe in the next life we live on as disembodied spirits, the bible calls these familiar spirits, demons, the 'ghosts people channel up' are these. They only take the form of people to trick them, and it always is for one's own destruction. Some people believe we just die, now that can't be the same as the others right? So we either live on in Heaven, or Hell, get reincarnated, don't live on. But of course, I'm not trying to disrespect other people so please don't misunderstand me. Anyways but yeah, if you even say I don't know if there is a God or not, but if so, help me. He will help you, he will make himself known to you, he will show you why things are as they are.
Although, I trust that a higher being out there would accept the good I've done on this planet more than my faith. Mostly because kindness should be awarded, not stray belief. Kindness is like...a universal kind of belief.
So yes, maybe there will be a day I believe. I quite doubt it, but I hope that doesn't worry you or anyone of contrary for belief because I am happy. =o
Everything within history has been sin, even history itself. That's not so bad since it's a way of learning to better oneself. Repetition is the mother of learning, and history will repeat some times before we get it. People will learn to accept and love one another without trying to rule for power. That's how all dangers have been created. There should be no true rule, only living.But you seem to misunderstand the point that I keep bringing to you, think of us people being in a court room, God is the judge, you might not think that you have murdered, but according to Jesus if you even hate anybody, you have committed such a sin. If you have ever looked upon a women, or men with lust after her/him, then that alone is adultery. God killed a couple in the bible for lying, you got to understand that all sin is sin to God, no matter how good or bad you have been. You got to understand in the grand swing of things that if you put Adolf Hitler next to Mother Theresa, and ask which one has been good enough to enter, and both fall short. Now that doesn't mean Mother Theresa is a bad person, she has done many great things. But that doesn't save here. Under God's law through the sin of Adam and Eve, we were born in sin, and sin is what separates us from God, he can't look upon our wrong, and he needs us to be forgiven and healed from that evil before we can enter Heaven, that is only by asking Jesus for forgiveness. So if you have violated any commandment, you have violated them all, and if you acknowledge any sin you have made, then by your own admission, you are a lying, thieving, blasphemer, no offense, that is just how we are without God, I am no better by my deeds. Even if you don't believe in God, you better think hard man, because not every choice can be right, and you only have one life for sure. You can't prove that you don't get reincarnated, but you can't prove you stay dead, and you can't prove that Heaven or Hell exists. So if you make a mistake, and Heaven and Hell does exist, and you haven't accepted Jesus, that is a long time to be absolutely wrong. Because once you are in the absolute terror of hell, it is endless, there is no sense of time, and you continue to burn and burn, and there is no end to the torture, what if you made that mistake? If life turns off like a tv, then you wouldn't need to worry either way, it is just something to think about. Don't think I'm judging you, please, I'm telling you these things, but you got to make the decision, now I don't intend to try to make you believe either, but if you do aim for God's love, you will have perfect hope.
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Posted: Mon Feb 27, 2012 4:36 pm
Silent Harry Mason Captain_Shinzo Silent Harry Mason Captain_Shinzo Silent Harry Mason Captain_Shinzo I don't remember this talk being about trying to convert others. More as a discussion.
I want to point out that there may be a possible deity out there, even though I don't believe in it. If there is, I don't think it would eternally damn someone because they didn't have any belief in the being. How self centered is that? Really... Uh, you are missing the point, and I'm not trying to convert anybody so don't criticize, I am stating what God's word says about it, and why you should believe it, if you don't want to believe it, feel free, leave, I am not forcing you to believe it. I wasn't the one who revived this thread either. And according to the bible, Jesus said that he is the way, the truth, and the life, nobody comes to the father but through him. Therefore that is how it is damning, if you are trying to obtain Heaven, when in Jesus's words, he is saying that we can't do it but through him, then that is how. You are rejecting a God who has stated that he loved us, and wants us to be forgiven for the wrongs we have done so that we can be with him one day. You can believe that there are many Gods, but do you see People being healed in the name of Buddha, Mohammad, or any other name? If you look on the internet, and many other places, there have been so many testimonies and claims of healing, can you possibly deny all of them? EDIT: Please don't think that I am trying to push against you or anything, just look about what I am saying in the eyes of God, what if he does exist, and that is reality, imagine what he thinks about that if that is the truth, doesn't it make more sense?
I'll give you that point, though.
There are plenty of other beliefs out there, though. A lot of them say they are true, too, and that doesn't mean they are less of a belief than Christianity, especially since Christianity isn't spread everywhere. After all, a person can't be Christian without learning about it so therefore they are a bit screwed if they are in a place that has no Christian influence what-so-ever.
A lot of people have many different belief and stories on religions. There are plenty of Arabic stories as well if you ever heard of the story on the diamond rains. That's just an example, though.
My point I'm trying to make is, let's say God is like a neighbor.
A good neighbor likes to hang out with you and comes by to visit from time to time and you guys give out Christmas cards and admire ones Halloween decorations or whatever. A bad neighbor doesn't really acknowledge you.
Now with that in mind, take in to perspective of a god being like a neighbor to me. This person has not tried making contact with me and doesn't hang around me nor has given me reason to believe in him, like him, or hang out with him. Hell, I even was Christian once but stopped. Meaning I did try first to get along and didn't exactly like it or enjoy it.
So, I find it more that this person should the bigger man and give me a reason to want to believe in him/her/whatever. If not...well damn...In God's eyes, he has tried to contact you, what? Did you say a few prayers, get an answer you didn't like? Then leave? Maybe you see it that way that he doesn't want you if he exists, but the fact that you're here is another time he is trying to talk to you. But God doesn't try to force you to believe in him, he allows you to freely accept him, or reject him, though this is where that line becomes more narrow. If you ask him to forgive you, he comes inside of you, he is a God that can be felt, I'm not sure if you have ever felt that experience, but he changed me. I used to be religious, I used to think that God might exist, but things got so hard, and so much fear entered my life that I wasn't sure anymore. But I asked him to help me, he didn't physically say anything to me, but he pointed me to some bible pamphlet I found in my Halloween candy one night, I read it, then asked God to forgive me. He did, and will never leave. Now you see, God doesn't answer every prayer in the way that we want, sometimes sadly when we pray that God saves one of our family, or friend, and it doesn't happen, we sometimes think to hate him, and we try to move away. I used to be a Catholic, now I don't think of myself under any denomination, not Baptist, not Protestant, not Lutheran, or any type. The answer that is important is are you Christian. You see God never promised that life would be easy, it only gets much much harder, it tests us at times, and makes us fear and wonder if God will ever see us out of it. Now you see have you ever thought that Buddha could have possibly invented what he believed because suffering was so bad, and he wanted to take people's minds off of it? Or what about Hinduism? There is no good or bad, it simply is? How does that work? So going by that, are people saying that if they murder, rape, steal, and do evil that they can? Now don't get me wrong Buddhism and Hinduism believe both in Reincarnation correct? Well the thing that these two things have in common is that they both stress good works. Islam doesn't truly speak of a loving God, and also stresses good works. Not one Religion stresses mercy by God's grace alone, not one. Explain this. The other "Gods" according to the one true God are not Gods at all, but he calls them idols that do not see, or hear, or speak. If anything supernatural does occur in these, it is demonic, you understand that the Devil can also do things and manifest himself right? But when he does it, he doesn't usually do so in a way that looks bad, he tries to be a wolf in sheep's clothing, he tries to draw us in with these lies. He tries to say 'sweet words that sound good' and use buttery things that people like to hear, because once he has you, he can take it off, then pick you up with his jaws, then devour you. That is how the devil always works. I was so confused before I accepted Jesus that I was at the point of absolute unsureness, I only knew that not all of these things could possibly be right, they conflict with one another. Some believe in the next life we live on as disembodied spirits, the bible calls these familiar spirits, demons, the 'ghosts people channel up' are these. They only take the form of people to trick them, and it always is for one's own destruction. Some people believe we just die, now that can't be the same as the others right? So we either live on in Heaven, or Hell, get reincarnated, don't live on. But of course, I'm not trying to disrespect other people so please don't misunderstand me. Anyways but yeah, if you even say I don't know if there is a God or not, but if so, help me. He will help you, he will make himself known to you, he will show you why things are as they are.
Although, I trust that a higher being out there would accept the good I've done on this planet more than my faith. Mostly because kindness should be awarded, not stray belief. Kindness is like...a universal kind of belief.
So yes, maybe there will be a day I believe. I quite doubt it, but I hope that doesn't worry you or anyone of contrary for belief because I am happy. =o
Everything within history has been sin, even history itself. That's not so bad since it's a way of learning to better oneself. Repetition is the mother of learning, and history will repeat some times before we get it. People will learn to accept and love one another without trying to rule for power. That's how all dangers have been created. There should be no true rule, only living.But you seem to misunderstand the point that I keep bringing to you, think of us people being in a court room, God is the judge, you might not think that you have murdered, but according to Jesus if you even hate anybody, you have committed such a sin. If you have ever looked upon a women, or men with lust after her/him, then that alone is adultery. God killed a couple in the bible for lying, you got to understand that all sin is sin to God, no matter how good or bad you have been. You got to understand in the grand swing of things that if you put Adolf Hitler next to Mother Theresa, and ask which one has been good enough to enter, and both fall short. Now that doesn't mean Mother Theresa is a bad person, she has done many great things. But that doesn't save here. Under God's law through the sin of Adam and Eve, we were born in sin, and sin is what separates us from God, he can't look upon our wrong, and he needs us to be forgiven and healed from that evil before we can enter Heaven, that is only by asking Jesus for forgiveness. So if you have violated any commandment, you have violated them all, and if you acknowledge any sin you have made, then by your own admission, you are a lying, thieving, blasphemer, no offense, that is just how we are without God, I am no better by my deeds. Even if you don't believe in God, you better think hard man, because not every choice can be right, and you only have one life for sure. You can't prove that you don't get reincarnated, but you can't prove you stay dead, and you can't prove that Heaven or Hell exists. So if you make a mistake, and Heaven and Hell does exist, and you haven't accepted Jesus, that is a long time to be absolutely wrong. Because once you are in the absolute terror of hell, it is endless, there is no sense of time, and you continue to burn and burn, and there is no end to the torture, what if you made that mistake? If life turns off like a tv, then you wouldn't need to worry either way, it is just something to think about. Don't think I'm judging you, please, I'm telling you these things, but you got to make the decision, now I don't intend to try to make you believe either, but if you do aim for God's love, you will have perfect hope.
The way your view is that God is the true lord. I respect that.
But to me, there are hundreds of other possible religions with MANY other possible gods. It'd be wrong to choose. Instead, I thing I rather judge on my own what I think is right and hopefully live a calm life that way. If I succeed, it will be fine either if nothing exists further or does.
If I fail, I would atleast desire a questionable reason after death.
My heart tells me that life shall be forgiven and purified only by redemption and forgiveness of one's own self- continuing to move on. I can't dwell in other words.
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Posted: Mon Feb 27, 2012 8:36 pm
Captain_Shinzo Christianity isn't spread everywhere. After all, a person can't be Christian without learning about it so therefore they are a bit screwed if they are in a place that has no Christian influence what-so-ever. Christianity is spread everywhere. It is the #1 religion in the whole world, and there are Christians in every nation (another fullfilled biblical prophesy for the End Times) wherever you go. And this gospel of the kingdom will be preached in the whole world as a testimony to all nations, and then the end will come. (Matthew 24:14) Yes, when someone is not introduced to Jesus, they are pretty much ignorant and screwed. That is why God has given us a purpose on earth to spread the good news and save as many souls as we can from a horrible hell. We love you this much. For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten Son, that whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have everlasting life. (John 3:16 KJV) Quote: My point I'm trying to make is, let's say God is like a neighbor. A good neighbor likes to hang out with you and comes by to visit from time to time and you guys give out Christmas cards and admire ones Halloween decorations or whatever. A bad neighbor doesn't really acknowledge you. Now with that in mind, take in to perspective of a god being like a neighbor to me. This person has not tried making contact with me and doesn't hang around me nor has given me reason to believe in him, like him, or hang out with him. Hell, I even was Christian once but stopped. Meaning I did try first to get along and didn't exactly like it or enjoy it. God seems to be ignoring you because you have become His enemy. You are the one shutting the door in His face and conforming to the world. It's not His fault for not answering but your own. You refuse to sincerely look for Him, and that is not how you find Him. Sin is what separates you from God. Read here to find out why God doesn't answer the unsaved and unbelievers.You will seek me and find me when you seek me with all your heart. (Jeremiah 29:13) Quote: "Why won't God answer me?" can be one of the most agonizing questions a believer in God can face. In fact I've met a number of people who cite divine "silence" as a reason for their walking away from Christianity. In the Bible there is a collection of poems and prayers called the psalms and many of them express anguish over the distance or non-responsiveness of God. However, I am convinced that when the psalmist yearns for God to answer, he is hoping for something quite different to what modern believers typically have in mind. (Psalm 66:18.) You adulterous people, don't you know that friendship with the world is hatred toward God? Anyone who chooses to be a friend of the world becomes an enemy of God. (James 4:4) Once you were alienated from God and were enemies in your minds because of your evil behavior. (Colossians 1:21) Quote: Marilyn Adamson- I was an atheist at one time. And like many atheists, the issue of people believing in God bothered me greatly. What is it about atheists that we would spend so much time, attention, and energy refuting something that we don't believe even exists?! What causes us to do that? When I was an atheist, I attributed my intentions as caring for those poor, delusional people...to help them realize their hope was completely ill-founded. To be honest, I also had another motive. As I challenged those who believed in God, I was deeply curious to see if they could convince me otherwise. Part of my quest was to become free from the question of God. If I could conclusively prove to believers that they were wrong, then the issue is off the table, and I would be free to go about my life. I didn't realize that the reason the topic of God weighed so heavily on my mind, was because God was pressing the issue. I have come to find out that God wants to be known. He created us with the intention that we would know him. He has surrounded us with evidence of himself and he keeps the question of his existence squarely before us. It was as if I couldn't escape thinking about the possibility of God. In fact, the day I chose to acknowledge God's existence, my prayer began with, "Ok, you win..." It might be that the underlying reason atheists are bothered by people believing in God is because God is actively pursuing them. I am not the only one who has experienced this. Malcolm Muggeridge, socialist and philosophical author, wrote, "I had a notion that somehow, besides questing, I was being pursued." C.S. Lewis said he remembered, "...night after night, feeling whenever my mind lifted even for a second from my work, the steady, unrelenting approach of Him whom I so earnestly desired not to meet. I gave in, and admitted that God was God, and knelt and prayed: perhaps, that night, the most dejected and reluctant convert in all of England." Lewis went on to write a book titled, "Surprised by Joy" as a result of knowing God. I too had no expectations other than rightfully admitting God's existence. Yet over the following several months, I became amazed by his love for me.
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