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Hinote Tosatsu
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PostPosted: Thu Nov 11, 2010 3:06 pm


Golden Spider of Kumo
I know that, But if I were to hit a Fault, where the Crystal naturally splits { Crystal has smooth sides, so on faults, the Crystal has some attachment, but for the most part it is a smooth side. This is fairly easy to spot, but I'm not sure if the jutsu would have any really. }

@ Greg
I'm not saying that, Merely that Crystal has natural places where it is easier to break, Ice is fairly well all around. { As long as it is pure ice, without air bubbles in it. }


Ice is exactly the same, if not more so. A jeweler needs a special magnifying glass to find the faults in a crystal in order to cut it properly. With ice, any random dude with a pointy stick can jab it into a fault and split the whole thing open. I have done so, many, many, MANY times. My entire driveway freezes about four inches deep in ice every winter, and we have to bust it out. Ice is riddled with faults all over the place, allowing anything from a little two inch square, to a massive glacier to be busted loose with relative ease. Why do you think frozen places have so many hidden underground ice caves? Those are all the result of faults splitting the crust, and shifting the ice. Ice would never shift if there were no faults in it.

If you're going to talk about faults in something, there are far more in ice than there are in crystal.
PostPosted: Thu Nov 11, 2010 3:07 pm


Golden Spider of Kumo
@ Hinote
If I were to make a C Ranked jutsu that did something like that, Could it be approved?

This can be answered by any crew member, I'm just asking hinote because he has been the one doing the custom Jutsu.


Considering I've already stated that it would require the entire chakra capacity of a kage... No. No it could not.

Hinote Tosatsu
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Golden Spider of Kumo

PostPosted: Thu Nov 11, 2010 3:19 pm


Hinote Tosatsu
Golden Spider of Kumo
I know that, But if I were to hit a Fault, where the Crystal naturally splits { Crystal has smooth sides, so on faults, the Crystal has some attachment, but for the most part it is a smooth side. This is fairly easy to spot, but I'm not sure if the jutsu would have any really. }

@ Greg
I'm not saying that, Merely that Crystal has natural places where it is easier to break, Ice is fairly well all around. { As long as it is pure ice, without air bubbles in it. }


Ice is exactly the same, if not more so. A jeweler needs a special magnifying glass to find the faults in a crystal in order to cut it properly. With ice, any random dude with a pointy stick can jab it into a fault and split the whole thing open. I have done so, many, many, MANY times. My entire driveway freezes about four inches deep in ice every winter, and we have to bust it out. Ice is riddled with faults all over the place, allowing anything from a little two inch square, to a massive glacier to be busted loose with relative ease. Why do you think frozen places have so many hidden underground ice caves? Those are all the result of faults splitting the crust, and shifting the ice. Ice would never shift if there were no faults in it.

If you're going to talk about faults in something, there are far more in ice than there are in crystal.

Ahhh, But doesn't that ice have air pockets? Pure 100% ice, without air pockets is actually quite resilient. Take ice sculptures for example. You can chip a bit off, but it doesn't split. When they make things such as an ice swan that ice is so hard they have to use special tools, A Saw blade, that constantly shoots out a stream of water to cool itself, making it able to not over heat due to friction, and quite few other utensils. If you want extremely good details, You have to use an etching tool hich does the same thing, and then you have to use a heated peice of metal to rub on the etchings to make them rounded.

In short Pure ice without air pockets { Which I assume that is what Hyouton is } Is actually quite hard. And depending on it's temp it is exactly the same amount of hardness that deters modern oil rigs from reaching the oil under Siberia.

Also, On Crystals, Even though you need the magnifying glass to find the faults, once found they are easily used. Even diamonds have roughly a 100 newton breaking point along fault lines. { Or pascals, I forgot if Pascals is the SI unit for pressure. Newtons is force. }

And Pure ice actually functions as a magnifying glass. Mostly not to the extent that one would need to find faults on small gems, but still.
PostPosted: Thu Nov 11, 2010 3:24 pm


A wise guy ( Pretty sure it was Hinote ) once said in the Q/a forum that mixing Naruto with Science is a bad idea...

iAkura-kun

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Golden Spider of Kumo

PostPosted: Thu Nov 11, 2010 3:41 pm


Hinote Tosatsu
Golden Spider of Kumo
@ Hinote
If I were to make a C Ranked jutsu that did something like that, Could it be approved?

This can be answered by any crew member, I'm just asking hinote because he has been the one doing the custom Jutsu.


Considering I've already stated that it would require the entire chakra capacity of a kage... No. No it could not.

Not even for a fifty foot area? Taking the dimensions into thought, If a D ranked jutsu makes a 10x10x10, then that is 100 cubic feet. I would say a C, or even B ranked amount of chakra would work.
PostPosted: Thu Nov 11, 2010 3:45 pm


Golden Spider of Kumo
Hinote Tosatsu
Golden Spider of Kumo
I know that, But if I were to hit a Fault, where the Crystal naturally splits { Crystal has smooth sides, so on faults, the Crystal has some attachment, but for the most part it is a smooth side. This is fairly easy to spot, but I'm not sure if the jutsu would have any really. }

@ Greg
I'm not saying that, Merely that Crystal has natural places where it is easier to break, Ice is fairly well all around. { As long as it is pure ice, without air bubbles in it. }


Ice is exactly the same, if not more so. A jeweler needs a special magnifying glass to find the faults in a crystal in order to cut it properly. With ice, any random dude with a pointy stick can jab it into a fault and split the whole thing open. I have done so, many, many, MANY times. My entire driveway freezes about four inches deep in ice every winter, and we have to bust it out. Ice is riddled with faults all over the place, allowing anything from a little two inch square, to a massive glacier to be busted loose with relative ease. Why do you think frozen places have so many hidden underground ice caves? Those are all the result of faults splitting the crust, and shifting the ice. Ice would never shift if there were no faults in it.

If you're going to talk about faults in something, there are far more in ice than there are in crystal.

Ahhh, But doesn't that ice have air pockets? Pure 100% ice, without air pockets is actually quite resilient. Take ice sculptures for example. You can chip a bit off, but it doesn't split. When they make things such as an ice swan that ice is so hard they have to use special tools, A Saw blade, that constantly shoots out a stream of water to cool itself, making it able to not over heat due to friction, and quite few other utensils. If you want extremely good details, You have to use an etching tool hich does the same thing, and then you have to use a heated peice of metal to rub on the etchings to make them rounded.

In short Pure ice without air pockets { Which I assume that is what Hyouton is } Is actually quite hard. And depending on it's temp it is exactly the same amount of hardness that deters modern oil rigs from reaching the oil under Siberia.

Also, On Crystals, Even though you need the magnifying glass to find the faults, once found they are easily used. Even diamonds have roughly a 100 newton breaking point along fault lines. { Or pascals, I forgot if Pascals is the SI unit for pressure. Newtons is force. }

And Pure ice actually functions as a magnifying glass. Mostly not to the extent that one would need to find faults on small gems, but still.


Ice sculpting is honestly the worst example you could possibly use. First of all, there is no such thing as ice without faults. Just as there is no such thing as a crystal without faults. They use not only special tools in ice sculpting, but also special techniques. A single mistake in an ice sculpture can leave you with a shattered remain.

But that is neither here nor there. You can argue it all you want, but in this guild, you're never going to find those faults. Why? Because we don't have a system for it, and nobody in the RP is going to accept you just randomly shattering their jutsu claiming you found the faults in it.

Hinote Tosatsu
Vice Captain

Eloquent Lunatic


Golden Spider of Kumo

PostPosted: Thu Nov 11, 2010 3:57 pm


I know, But that last statement also leaves your side null and void, so why would I ever want to argue it? blaugh

I used ice sculpting because without the proper utensils, you can mess up and that happens. But that is the thing, You don't know where ice splits, or if you are even hitting the right spot. ^.^ Ice is unpredictable.

ANYWAYS!

I'm bored now T^T And Kenji needs to get Re-approved so I can learn some jutsu and get my mission points for the next Genin exams!
PostPosted: Thu Nov 11, 2010 4:01 pm


Ice is pretty easy to judge if you know how actually. All it takes is a tiny crack in the right place, and you can bust a glacier in half.

Hinote Tosatsu
Vice Captain

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Golden Spider of Kumo

PostPosted: Thu Nov 11, 2010 4:05 pm


True, But you'd have to be an expert at it, and even Ice sculpters mess up from time to time. and if they sneeze, then it all goes to hell.

But the same can be said about almost anything. If you are sculpting marble and you hit it wrong you can split it. Even wood splits when hit just right.

Crystal you can just tell where to hit easily.

... Darn it! We need a subject change!

If I were to beat up a sound shinobi and steal a arm amp { Like Dosu's } Could I spend a Month IRL time learning how to fin tune my chakra to achieve an effect like Dosu?
PostPosted: Thu Nov 11, 2010 4:09 pm


Crystal is one of the hardest things to judge where to split it, with the slight exception of crystals with massive flaws. Just looking at a hunk of wood, any child would be able to see exactly where to split it. The same goes for marble, which has obvious lines all through it. Ice is one of the easiest simply because the faults are usually a slightly different shade than the rest.

~

Probably not, and that would require finding one who actually had one. And surviving when the rest of the village captures and kills you.

-Edit- Also, you'd have to be able to identify a sound shinobi. Considering they're all supposed to be hidden away as civilians, you'd not have an easy time.

Hinote Tosatsu
Vice Captain

Eloquent Lunatic


Golden Spider of Kumo

PostPosted: Thu Nov 11, 2010 4:15 pm


Ignoring the top part of your post... blaugh

Well... If I fought one outside the village, and he used it on me, I'd be able to identify it. Although I don't think Kenji would think to take it with him... { atleast not until his Jonin rank change }

Also, About how long do you think until people like me will get a chance for a second Rpc? { Imma get my Kenji's Older than him Never going past genin Attendant one way or another. evil }
PostPosted: Thu Nov 11, 2010 4:20 pm


... You will never be allowed a second RPC in the same village, or with the same bloodline as your original. You'll also not be allowed a second RPC if you use it to benefit your original in any way.

How would you identify something that has never been seen though? That's a bit of an odd thing to claim.

Hinote Tosatsu
Vice Captain

Eloquent Lunatic


Golden Spider of Kumo

PostPosted: Thu Nov 11, 2010 4:25 pm


But... But...But... T^T I love that duo! At Jonin rank { Depending on if I play him a certain way } She gives him Pills he thinks are gormet candy that he takes only once a day, and they slack off his bloodlust. T^T And plus, I love her character, because she is like the character that seems to know almost everything, because she is 15, and became genin and a member of Kenji's squad 3 years ago. T^T She is so cool! { But without kenji to take care of, She is somewhat boring. }

If it is used against him, He could figure out it hurts really bad.

and I'm fairly sure that somewhere outside of Otogakure someone has written about it, and given extremely vauge descriptions of how to use it. although half of the month will be trial and error on the ones that aren't true, and based solely on conjecture.
PostPosted: Thu Nov 11, 2010 5:52 pm


Just posted this in custom jutsu, but it's fairly relevant to the crystals vs ice debate.

~

So I just decided to check the bloodline, because I really couldn't believe it would be possible to create unbreakable ice. Turns out, it's not! How about that? Who would have guessed? The rules of the bloodline very clearly state that it is in fact easily broken. In fact, even the second stage ice says nothing about being strong against breakage. Just that fire can't easily melt it.

Which really, probably should have been obvious, considering Haku fought his hardest to keep them from hitting his mirrors with anything but fire jutsu, and when naruto finally smacked it, it shattered like glass. Sure, he was Kyuubi enhanced, but still.

Quote:
Stage 1- Is the Ablity to create and Control Snow/Ice! There are many ways in which one can use these techinques. Yet it is easily broken, and can be melted only by a jutsu of a higher rank.


~

Now that that's been cleared up, I think I can fairly say that Crystal kicks Ice's a** ten times over. Sorry, but that idea that the ice was somehow unbreakable was the only thing going for your argument.

Hinote Tosatsu
Vice Captain

Eloquent Lunatic


Golden Spider of Kumo

PostPosted: Thu Nov 11, 2010 5:57 pm


Well, The more you say that, The More I feel Like getting rid of Kenji.

Because honestly I can't do s**t with him. Because there are almost NO non village specific Weapon styles, And guess what... I'm a Weapon Master, so even though I get the Extra weap styles, I CAN'T HAVE THEM.

My ice is able to be broken with someone flicking it, so if I were to even use it, Someone would break it just by letting it hit them.

Most I'd EVER be able to do with this shitty a** bloodline is merely at Kage rank freeze someone in FOUR POSTS. in Four posts someone would cut my arm off, because I can't let go, otherwise my jutsu is useless.
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