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 Posted: Sun Aug 15, 2010 6:45 pm
You guys are sort of on the right track, but you're using weird wording.
The correct way to phrase the question is "Where does life begin?"
It's not that something is slightly more alive than something else, but whether something is alive (has life).
Some people believe life starts at conception, some believe it starts when the heart beats, some believe when it's when the fetus can first think.
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Posted: Sun Aug 15, 2010 6:45 pm
Valheita Sub-Par Man Valheita Sub-Par Man Valheita Sub-Par Man I posted that as another reason why they're mre alive like humans are, while they're still in the womb, not as "YOU'RE ONLY ALIVE IF YOUR HEART BEATS" No. That would make you just as much of a murderer as someone said earlier that eating vegetables does. More alive, meaning there are different degrees of alive. So how alive is alive before it's murder? Can you empirically define it? Eating vegetables doesn't make me a murderer? o.O More alive than, say, an egg, which eating would be murdering a potential chicken, for example. I meant "more alive" as in, some people are saying that if they are alive, they're alive like plants, not like humans. Thus, more alive than plants or unhatched/fertilized bird eggs. But I thought alive was an absolute. You're either alive, or your not alive. It varies. Some people may think you're either alive or you're dead, whereas others may think unfertilized eggs - human or otherwise - are alive in a way. But it varies from person to person? Yes. Everyone has different - varying - beliefs, which is also why some people believe that babies still in the womb aren't alive, and some believe that they are.
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Posted: Sun Aug 15, 2010 6:50 pm
Sub-Par Man Yes. Everyone has different - varying - beliefs, which is also why some people believe that babies still in the womb aren't alive, and some believe that they are. So it would be safe to say that banning it on the grounds that it is murder would be a gross miscarriage of justice, yes? The forcing of subjective morality on a universal whole.
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Posted: Sun Aug 15, 2010 6:50 pm
Sub-Par Man More alive than, say, an egg, which eating would be murdering a potential chicken, for example. I meant "more alive" as in, some people are saying that if they are alive, they're alive like plants, not like humans. Thus, more alive than plants or unhatched/fertilized bird eggs. Most people don't eat fertilized eggs. More than likely you're eating the chicken's period.
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Posted: Sun Aug 15, 2010 6:55 pm
Valheita Sub-Par Man Yes. Everyone has different - varying - beliefs, which is also why some people believe that babies still in the womb aren't alive, and some believe that they are. So it would be safe to say that banning it on the grounds that it is murder would be a gross miscarriage of justice, yes? The forcing of subjective morality on a universal whole. It would be a bad idea on a whole to ban it, since that would probably lead to more "back-alley abortions" which are highly dangerous. Basically, there's no way there will ever be a peaceful answer to this question, as there are so many different viewpoints and there is no way to make everyone happy on something like this. Thus, this discussion is moot. @Shiori: I mean unhatched and unfertilized, not unhatched-but-fertilized eggs. The people who farm - or whatever you want to call it - eggs, collect the eggs before they could potentially be fertilized.
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Posted: Sun Aug 15, 2010 6:57 pm
Sub-Par Man Valheita Sub-Par Man Yes. Everyone has different - varying - beliefs, which is also why some people believe that babies still in the womb aren't alive, and some believe that they are. So it would be safe to say that banning it on the grounds that it is murder would be a gross miscarriage of justice, yes? The forcing of subjective morality on a universal whole. It would be a bad idea on a whole to ban it, since that would probably lead to more "back-alley abortions" which are highly dangerous. Basically, there's no way there will ever be a peaceful answer to this question, as there are so many different viewpoints and there is no way to make everyone happy on something like this. Thus, this discussion is moot. Oh no, just because something doesn't change, doesn't mean the discussion about it is pointless.
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Posted: Sun Aug 15, 2010 6:59 pm
Valheita Sub-Par Man Valheita Sub-Par Man Yes. Everyone has different - varying - beliefs, which is also why some people believe that babies still in the womb aren't alive, and some believe that they are. So it would be safe to say that banning it on the grounds that it is murder would be a gross miscarriage of justice, yes? The forcing of subjective morality on a universal whole. It would be a bad idea on a whole to ban it, since that would probably lead to more "back-alley abortions" which are highly dangerous. Basically, there's no way there will ever be a peaceful answer to this question, as there are so many different viewpoints and there is no way to make everyone happy on something like this. Thus, this discussion is moot. Oh no, just because something doesn't change, doesn't mean the discussion about it is pointless. Actually, it is. We aren't learning anything about abortion, we aren't changing each other's viewpoints, we aren't doing anything other than getting worked up for no reason. sweatdrop
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Posted: Sun Aug 15, 2010 7:01 pm
Sub-Par Man Valheita Sub-Par Man Yes. Everyone has different - varying - beliefs, which is also why some people believe that babies still in the womb aren't alive, and some believe that they are. So it would be safe to say that banning it on the grounds that it is murder would be a gross miscarriage of justice, yes? The forcing of subjective morality on a universal whole. It would be a bad idea on a whole to ban it, since that would probably lead to more "back-alley abortions" which are highly dangerous. Basically, there's no way there will ever be a peaceful answer to this question, as there are so many different viewpoints and there is no way to make everyone happy on something like this. Thus, this discussion is moot. @Shiori: I mean unhatched and unfertilized, not unhatched-but-fertilized eggs. The people who farm - or whatever you want to call it - eggs, collect the eggs before they could potentially be fertilized. xD Hold up. Chickens are not fish. In order to fertilize an egg, a rooster has to have sex with a chicken. And THEN the chicken lays they egg. The way they prevent this is to separate the roosters from the hens at all times. xD
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Posted: Sun Aug 15, 2010 7:04 pm
Sub-Par Man Valheita Sub-Par Man Valheita Sub-Par Man Yes. Everyone has different - varying - beliefs, which is also why some people believe that babies still in the womb aren't alive, and some believe that they are. So it would be safe to say that banning it on the grounds that it is murder would be a gross miscarriage of justice, yes? The forcing of subjective morality on a universal whole. It would be a bad idea on a whole to ban it, since that would probably lead to more "back-alley abortions" which are highly dangerous. Basically, there's no way there will ever be a peaceful answer to this question, as there are so many different viewpoints and there is no way to make everyone happy on something like this. Thus, this discussion is moot. Oh no, just because something doesn't change, doesn't mean the discussion about it is pointless. Actually, it is. We aren't learning anything about abortion, we aren't changing each other's viewpoints, we aren't doing anything other than getting worked up for no reason. sweatdrop Isn't that what this forum is for? xp
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Posted: Sun Aug 15, 2010 7:04 pm
Sub-Par Man Actually, it is. We aren't learning anything about abortion, we aren't changing each other's viewpoints, we aren't doing anything other than getting worked up for no reason. sweatdrop I'm learning about your viewpoint, and you're challenging mine. Or at least in a normal discussion it would be. I rather suspect we've much the same view of it. >.<;; And who's getting worked up?
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Posted: Sun Aug 15, 2010 7:06 pm
Valheita Sub-Par Man Actually, it is. We aren't learning anything about abortion, we aren't changing each other's viewpoints, we aren't doing anything other than getting worked up for no reason. sweatdrop I'm learning about your viewpoint, and you're challenging mine. Or at least in a normal discussion it would be. I rather suspect we've much the same view of it. >.<;; And who's getting worked up? True, true. Ehh, no one. I'm presuming people get worked up because my dad obsessively debates politics with his friends, and he gets quite worked-up. Like, turns red, starts gesticulating and stammering xp @Chozo: Wasting time? Yup. Why do you always randomly jump in in the middle of debates with witty comments, anyway?
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Posted: Sun Aug 15, 2010 7:07 pm
Because I watch about all the debates that go on in the whole guild and I thought it'd be a good time to say something funny o3o
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Posted: Sun Aug 15, 2010 7:11 pm
Sub-Par Man Valheita Sub-Par Man Actually, it is. We aren't learning anything about abortion, we aren't changing each other's viewpoints, we aren't doing anything other than getting worked up for no reason. sweatdrop I'm learning about your viewpoint, and you're challenging mine. Or at least in a normal discussion it would be. I rather suspect we've much the same view of it. >.<;; And who's getting worked up? True, true. Ehh, no one. I'm presuming people get worked up because my dad obsessively debates politics with his friends, and he gets quite worked-up. Like, turns red, starts gesticulating and stammering xp I do that in IRL discussions, it's fun.
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Posted: Sun Aug 15, 2010 8:45 pm
Sub-Par Man @Shiori: I mean unhatched and unfertilized, not unhatched-but-fertilized eggs. The people who farm - or whatever you want to call it - eggs, collect the eggs before they could potentially be fertilized. I still don't see what a chicken having it's period have to do with this. O.o?
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Posted: Sun Aug 15, 2010 8:54 pm
Shiori Miko Sub-Par Man @Shiori: I mean unhatched and unfertilized, not unhatched-but-fertilized eggs. The people who farm - or whatever you want to call it - eggs, collect the eggs before they could potentially be fertilized. I still don't see what a chicken having it's period have to do with this. O.o? Chickens have periods? Whaaaaaa? gonk
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