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Posted: Sun Nov 07, 2010 8:49 am
Reik8 First it's really impossible to prove the existence of G-d because you aren't able to do it. And even if someone tries to give a proof either he or she would be called mad or you just would shake your head. It's impossible. It's not impossible to provide evidence, though.
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Posted: Mon Nov 08, 2010 5:57 pm
Captain_Shinzo divineseraph Captain_Shinzo I agree with what Apple says, BUT I'm throwing in a twist.
You see, there is no proof that God does or doesn't exist... However, reasoning tells me that God would have to defy many laws of physics to exist and have some killer cheat codes and I don't believe that. If you're a person who think faith is all that is needed here than I wont disagree. However, don't look me in the eye and give me some mumbo-jumbo BS theory.
P.S. Christianity isn't the MOST messed up religion. Christianism maybe, but not Christianity. And which laws are those? Your idea of God is not God. God can defy everything if he is omnipotent/omniscient. If this is the case, he can defy the laws that bind us.Yeah, he can. He created the laws that bind us. Or perhaps invented them. Whichever the case, he created a world and gave us free will. At least according to scripture. I really don't find it all that hard to believe; all matter behaves the same way. But, should be some material we have yet to discover, as humans, (Dark matter, what gravity is made out of, "Orange" matter, the 11th dimension etc.) it could very easily behave differently than matter as we know it. If you know anything about quantum mechanics, you'll notice that, at the atomic level, things behave differently becuase at that level they technically aren't matter. We don't even know what gravity is made out of- reason can only tell you that we have a large number of thing in this universe that we don't understand yet. And therefore, it is illogical to assume that God can't exist based on some principle of man that applies to all matter. Perhaps we're wrong. Or perhaps, there is another type of matter to be discovered. Or perhaps god isn't even matter at all; everything in our Universe is three dimensional, imagine trying to interact with a two dimensional, or perhaps even a 5th dimensional being O_o
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Posted: Mon Nov 08, 2010 6:08 pm
Christianity has been around for thousands and thousands of years. Personally, Christianity is the religion that makes the most sense. There are many denominations that, perhaps, don't make sense. Just by proving the existence of God, doesn't solve everything. There are many proofs; it all depends on the faith, however.
Hebrews 11:1 says 'Faith is believing in something we can't see.' If there were facts/proof about Christianity, it wouldn't be a religion; it would be science.
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Posted: Mon Nov 08, 2010 8:30 pm
GINNFACE Christianity has been around for thousands and thousands of years. Personally, Christianity is the religion that makes the most sense. With that kind of logic, Judaism would make more sense than Christianity as Judaism was around longer than Christianity. Christianity used Judaism as a starting point and then sprung off on its own tangent.
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Posted: Tue Nov 09, 2010 2:24 am
GINNFACE Hebrews 11:1 says 'Faith is believing in something we can't see.' If there were facts/proof about Christianity, it wouldn't be a religion; it would be science.
It's not about science vs religion - it's about what you should accept as true. If there's no evidence, then you shouldn't accept it as true. But somehow, when it comes to religion, accepting things as true without evidence is a virtue. Just because a book, that's trying to convince you it's true, says that it's a good thing to accept its claims without evidence, that doesn't mean it's actually a good thing.
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Posted: Tue Nov 09, 2010 6:34 am
Sure it could mean that it isn't a good thing. But I don't really know if the world still was that interesting when you would know everything. And there's this tiny problem that you will never be able to know everything.
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Posted: Tue Nov 09, 2010 7:46 am
Of course. But that is no reason to accept things as true at face value. OK, some things yes, but important things, such as the existence of god, which would actually profoundly influence the way you live your life, those things require evidence and should not be accepted at face value.
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Posted: Tue Nov 09, 2010 8:04 am
It isn't like that that you believe every single thing that's written in the Tora, the Bible etc. You should look more what a moral the whole thing has. Also some people need evidence for such important things, other people don't. I totally understand your point. But the belief in G-d helps some people to relax, to feel better when they're in a bad situation. That's why I don't think that it's a bad thing to believe in Him without any evidence. But that's just my opinion ^^
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Posted: Wed Nov 10, 2010 8:39 pm
Artto Of course. But that is no reason to accept things as true at face value. OK, some things yes, but important things, such as the existence of god, which would actually profoundly influence the way you live your life, those things require evidence and should not be accepted at face value. And why not?
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Posted: Wed Nov 10, 2010 9:45 pm
I myself have seen some things that defy explanation... things that I have tried to explain, only to make people think I am crazy. I have been with people who see the same things I did at the same time as I did. Things that aren't physical. So... to me that is evidence, and although it isn't proof, it is enough to substantiate my faith.
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Posted: Thu Nov 11, 2010 4:18 pm
Eltanin Sadachbia I myself have seen some things that defy explanation... things that I have tried to explain, only to make people think I am crazy. I have been with people who see the same things I did at the same time as I did. Things that aren't physical. So... to me that is evidence, and although it isn't proof, it is enough to substantiate my faith. I find that perfectly acceptable. Unfortunately, I can't base my beliefs on your experiences, if your can't objectively demonstrate those experiences to me. I also cannot judge if your experiences are valid evidence for the existence of the supernatural, because I haven't experienced them and only have your testimony to go by. I also think that unexplained things are just that - unexplained. You cannot draw conclusions from them. P.S.: If you'd like to share those experiences, I'd love to hear about them smile
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Posted: Sat Nov 13, 2010 8:45 am
LeapFroggish No offence, but I believe it is one of the most screwed up religions. If you disagree, give me PROOF[THAT GOD IS REAL] And no, Im not saying your religion is wrong, its just that Im athiest and I think some religions are better off never made. It would be better without the wars over religion well. so much to say. 1. there are many saints (Catholic) that are noncorruptable ( never have decayed even a little and they're from hundreds of years ago) they look as if they've fallen asleep. 2. I have seen a rose petal with my own eyes that had an imprint of the Virgin Mary on it. it was a documented miracle 10,000 people there to witness millions of these incredible petals fall out of the sky. 3. saint that have lived within our generations have had the wounds of Christ appear on their hands. documented, proven pictures. 4.in a small church, they were celebrating the Eucharist with the whole parish and 1 person tapeing it. suddenly while the priest was blessing the blessed bread it turned into a live beating heart in his hands. these are only miracle caught on tape. DO YOUR RESEARCH BEFORE QUESTIONING. God Bless.
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Posted: Sat Nov 13, 2010 9:48 am
icy_innocense 1. there are many saints (Catholic) that are noncorruptable ( never have decayed even a little and they're from hundreds of years ago) they look as if they've fallen asleep. 2. I have seen a rose petal with my own eyes that had an imprint of the Virgin Mary on it. it was a documented miracle 10,000 people there to witness millions of these incredible petals fall out of the sky. 3. saint that have lived within our generations have had the wounds of Christ appear on their hands. documented, proven pictures. 4.in a small church, they were celebrating the Eucharist with the whole parish and 1 person tapeing it. suddenly while the priest was blessing the blessed bread it turned into a live beating heart in his hands. these are only miracle caught on tape. DO YOUR RESEARCH BEFORE QUESTIONING. God Bless. No offence, but this is all highly questionable. The incorruptibles are nothing remarkable, since spontaneous mummification and saponification are well-known phenomena. And the claim that they didn't decay even a little is not true. Some are in really bad shape, their faces covered by wax or silicone masks. The second one is the first time I've heard of it, but I immediately thought paraidolia. People see Jesus and Mary in all kinds of objects. The third one, called stigmata, has never been really proven to be of supernatural origin. Even the Catholic church doesn't recognize any case as authentic, except for the first one - St. Francis of Assisi. And that one was so long ago, that it's really hard to investigate its authenticity. The most famous modern case of Pio of Pietrelcina, is highly questionable. Those fingerless gloves he wore all the time seem a bit suspicious, as is the fact that there were no scars or wounds present upon his death. First time I heard of the fourth one. Any links to the video? Of course, I'd be hard for me to accept this one as true at face value. And I have the feeling it would be a bit more famous if it was that convincing. P.S.: "Doing research" is more than just finding a bunch of stories, which you then immediately accept as true without questioning.
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Posted: Sat Nov 13, 2010 12:53 pm
I must admit that I don't really believe in such wonders. They are very doubtful and so they never can be used as a proof for any religion. In this case I agree with Artto.
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Posted: Fri Nov 26, 2010 5:41 pm
i would agree with Christianity being the most messed up. The inquisition killed and tortured thousands of people into admitting into crimes that were hardly crimes at all, things the probably didn't even commit, to be burned alive at a stake. Christians tell most other religions that they are going to hell every day of their life. they accuse many good people of being Satan, when in satanism, they think of Satan as this loving god. Now now, i know I'm just saying all the worst, but you must take into account these terrible things, and Christianity's tendency to force it's self upon others. I created my own religion, and am told by "good" Catholics and orthodox Christians that I'm the incarnate of Satan, and I'm going to hell, and I'm the Antichrist, every week, just because i oppose their views. That is why I think personally, Christianity is the worst of all religions.
Pope Leo the 10th said "This myth of Christ has served us well." Which proves, in my eyes, the age old theory that Catholicism was made to take over the world, and it worked at the time.
Sorry if I'm ranting and raging like a troll, but it felt good to get all that out.
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