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"gag me with a spoon"?


i think the only reason i would ever jion a coven is so that i could celebrate the holidays with SOMEONE. i don't mind being by myself, and i realize that i don't need a coven to complete me, but it gets lonely sometimes. at the very least, i'd like a partner. i'd settle for a partner. mrgreen

Dammit, and I had all but forgotten that stupid saying. >_<

um gag me with a spoon was like it's so horrible why don't you just gag me with a spoon. if I could remember. I turned 16 in 1999 so I don't quite remember too much valley speak. just hit the tail end of the 80's in when I was bitty.

I am reading Buckland's Saxon Witchcraft and came across a quote from him in 2004.

"I have heard it said that Seax-Wica is not a 'valid' or 'authentic' Witchcraft tradition. What makes a Wicca tradition authentic? Gardenerian-possibly the most respected of all modern versions of the Old Religion-is only twenty years older than Seax-Wica. Any form of religion that adequately meets your needs, must be acknowledged as valid."

it's not supporting that Seax-Wica is true Wicca or anything, it's just simply making a nice statement that I liked.

very nice. i feel like he knows what hes talking about.

The thing about Buckland is that he's an oathbreaker. In other words he broke the oaths he made to the Lord ad Lady and spewed everything about Wicca. To be an oathbreaker according to Trad Wiccans and the law of Adranes, is a bad thing to be. According to the Adranes, law of Wiccans, if you are an oathbreaker you are cursed by the Goddess and will be sent to the Christian Hell. For many the Christian Hell can be considered as the separation of the Goddess. Not actually going to hell. For many being separated by the Lady of the Isles would be hell.

Initiation is important because you can trace it all the way to Gardner. Not only that but initiation is used to tell who is a Proper Person and who isn't. Initiation for Trad Wiccans is big because it takes years to find a coven and to be declared a proper person. They have worked long and hard for their title. So to them someone claiming solitary Wiccan would be taking the title of Wicca away from them. Or would sully the meaning.

I have read that Solitary Wicca is valid however it isn't Wiccan. Because to be Wicca you have to have the core principles. The core principles being the rituals as Wicca is an orthopraxy not an orthodoxy.

That's actually not true. Buckland had a deep respect for Garder and his Wicca and never broke his oath. Instead he created his own form of witchcraft to distance himself from Gardner's Wicca since he was disappointed on how it turned out. I hold deep respect for Buckland, since I am a budding Seax.

Vixen: You can't at all accurately compare Wicca and Christianity. They function so completely differently, it's not a matter of "oh, I just don't like you / believe what you do". Wicca is Gardner's religion. He set the rules down to say that you have to do this, or else you're not practicing his religion. It's like if I take my beliefs and establish my path with my own rules and call it "Potatoes of Doom" and make one of the rules to be a Potato that you have to always keep a potato in your left pocket. It's my religion, I can make it as silly as I want! You don't want to stuff a potato into your pocket every day? Then don't, but you can't be a Potato. Why? 'cause it's mine, I said so. With Wicca, Gardner established it, said that you have to follow the core.. You change that, do anything that's different from the rules he set down, you're not practicing Wicca.
Like with my potato reference, it's a matter of what you do, not what you believe. It's great, you can believe in the lord and lady all you like, you can pray to them and everything (though it very well may not be the lord and lady of the isles, like Wiccans follow), but you won't be practicing Gardner's religion. Establish you own religion, instead of calling it the Potatoes of Doom, call it the Lettuces of Doom.

Christianity, from how I see it, is more of what you believe. You believe in Christ, you're good. Then you just gotta figure out the specifics of beliefs, since not everyone seems to be believe in the same parts of the bible.. I don't really understand it. I don't think I've ever understood it. But I guess that's part of why I'm not Christian, I've no real interest in trying to understand it.

But with Wicca, I guess your comparisons between Methodist and whatever would be like Wicca's Gardnerian and Alexandrian traditions. They stick to the core, the same practices, just different... something that I don't really know what. Neo-Wiccans fail to follow the core, are not initiated into Gardner's Wicca (one of his requirements he set down), and therefore are not Wiccan.

Tsukiyo: How did he break his oaths?