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 Posted: Fri Oct 02, 2009 6:52 pm
Lumanny the Space Jew CH1YO Lumanny the Space Jew CH1YO Lumanny the Space Jew Proof? Source?
I did enjoy that way too much.
Can anyone prove anything about love, anyway? Havelock Ellis Or Sigmund Freud, your choice. If you really want to do the extra leg work then by all means look up Oswald Schwarz and of course Alfred Alder is always worth a look in.
Though he was wrong about a whole lot..I can't blame you- he is a gem. Of course- but right about an awful lot too, such is a vast body of work.
I love Freud and his work, but I'm still hung up on just how badly he messed up in diagnosis regarding Obsessive-Compulsive Disorder, my personal curse. He attributed OCD to problems with potty training, when it is actually a Chemical Imbalance in the brain creating a chronic, hereditary disorder.He's wrong on details but generally oh so right. Of course OCD isn't a chemical issue- please never try to reduce people to mere molecules, we're so much better than that.
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Posted: Fri Oct 02, 2009 6:56 pm
Lumanny the Space Jew No, you're wrong.
By the law of the time it was fine, and Jacob/Israel loved both of his wives. They were both valid, that's why we have all the tribes. And you are NOT about to go dissing the Tribes. As a proud Yehudah tribe Jew, I will not allow it. Never. Law is worth nothing. Monogamy is the natural state, one cannot love two fully- save by divine inspiration. I'm not going out of my way to irritate my beloved Yids (save by claims of "Jews did it") but that is hardly the issue.
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Posted: Sat Oct 03, 2009 1:10 am
Lumanny the Space Jew Raticiel Lumanny the Space Jew CH1YO Lumanny the Space Jew Freud, please.
Though he was wrong about a whole lot.. I can't blame you- he is a gem. Of course- but right about an awful lot too, such is a vast body of work.
I love Freud and his work, but I'm still hung up on just how badly he messed up in diagnosis regarding Obsessive-Compulsive Disorder, my personal curse. He attributed OCD to problems with potty training, when it is actually a Chemical Imbalance in the brain creating a chronic, hereditary disorder. I guess you're questioning whole his work that way. He was trying to show that it's all about culture, not biology.
I mean, for the resources they had at the time, it was a miracle he could come up with any explanation at all for OCD, but still...
I love Freud, but that part was just f*cked up. I'm pretty sure this is a vital part of his theory and cutting it off like this means you'd rather believe in biology and chemical substances as the source of our disorders. I think psychology (can't help laughing just seeing this word) is a very balasted term, and psychiatry is a part of medicine. But psychoanalysis is supposed to be the method. It's trying to explain something and to me it stayed coherent even in the state Freud left it. And the fact it's not coherent with facts of science? Well, maybe there's something with science... wink she can't explain everything. Even before Freud there were some adorably naive theories like the one about humors. I guess he was quite aware of physical stuff involved, but it did not matter in his project. Of course it's a completely different topic, but it should be decided consequently is it biology or culture? Or maybe biology is mother of culture? Another endless debate coming?
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Posted: Sat Oct 03, 2009 1:21 am
I love this. CH1YO Monogamy is the natural state, one cannot love two fully- save by divine inspiration. I wish it could always work that way. In ideal world perhaps... Many people like to run away from their nature, and I can already see how stupid it sounds, as what else they have instead of their nature? My reason's pretty damn weak and got lost already ninja
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Posted: Sat Oct 03, 2009 1:43 am
CH1YO Raticiel No, no, please don't reject poor old Karl Raimund! I don't know/care much about his political views but what he added to methodology of science is valuable to me... in some sense. Actually about being "out-dated", ever heard how Zizek (I wonder if he's famous in other places like he is in my country) described Hegel? As a neo-marxist. I love that one. And about sources... The only good source to me is my own experience (yes, hit me for that, I'm waiting). Someone wrote those books, the printed word is just a sign of a real person's views. I do not wish to but he's not a name I recognise, sadly. Hegel as a neo-marxst? I actually LOL'd. Good Lord how sensible! Hats of to you! I think he's best known from the movie "The perverted history of kinematography" (That's my own translation of the title). You can only imagine how we all lol'd hearing this in the classroom.
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Posted: Sat Oct 03, 2009 8:39 am
CH1YO Lumanny the Space Jew CH1YO Lumanny the Space Jew CH1YO Lumanny the Space Jew Proof? Source?
I did enjoy that way too much.
Can anyone prove anything about love, anyway? Havelock Ellis Or Sigmund Freud, your choice. If you really want to do the extra leg work then by all means look up Oswald Schwarz and of course Alfred Alder is always worth a look in.
Though he was wrong about a whole lot..I can't blame you- he is a gem. Of course- but right about an awful lot too, such is a vast body of work.
I love Freud and his work, but I'm still hung up on just how badly he messed up in diagnosis regarding Obsessive-Compulsive Disorder, my personal curse. He attributed OCD to problems with potty training, when it is actually a Chemical Imbalance in the brain creating a chronic, hereditary disorder.He's wrong on details but generally oh so right. Of course OCD isn't a chemical issue- please never try to reduce people to mere molecules, we're so much better than that.
Yes it is; It has been scientifically proven that OCD is caused by chemical imbalances, including a lack of Serotonin. Read a book from this century once in a while.
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Posted: Sat Oct 03, 2009 5:14 pm
Raticiel I love this. CH1YO Monogamy is the natural state, one cannot love two fully- save by divine inspiration. I wish it could always work that way. In ideal world perhaps... Many people like to run away from their nature, and I can already see how stupid it sounds, as what else they have instead of their nature? My reason's pretty damn weak and got lost already ninja Thank you- it needs to be said. They try but no amount of running away lets you do more than you were able before.
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Posted: Sat Oct 03, 2009 5:16 pm
Raticiel CH1YO Raticiel No, no, please don't reject poor old Karl Raimund! I don't know/care much about his political views but what he added to methodology of science is valuable to me... in some sense. Actually about being "out-dated", ever heard how Zizek (I wonder if he's famous in other places like he is in my country) described Hegel? As a neo-marxist. I love that one. And about sources... The only good source to me is my own experience (yes, hit me for that, I'm waiting). Someone wrote those books, the printed word is just a sign of a real person's views. I do not wish to but he's not a name I recognise, sadly. Hegel as a neo-marxst? I actually LOL'd. Good Lord how sensible! Hats of to you! I think he's best known from the movie "The perverted history of kinematography" (That's my own translation of the title). You can only imagine how we all lol'd hearing this in the classroom. I'm going to upset myself by asking this but he supposes to be a serious figure doesn't he?
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Posted: Sat Oct 03, 2009 5:20 pm
Lumanny the Space Jew CH1YO Lumanny the Space Jew CH1YO Lumanny the Space Jew Freud, please.
Though he was wrong about a whole lot.. I can't blame you- he is a gem. Of course- but right about an awful lot too, such is a vast body of work.
I love Freud and his work, but I'm still hung up on just how badly he messed up in diagnosis regarding Obsessive-Compulsive Disorder, my personal curse. He attributed OCD to problems with potty training, when it is actually a Chemical Imbalance in the brain creating a chronic, hereditary disorder.He's wrong on details but generally oh so right. Of course OCD isn't a chemical issue- please never try to reduce people to mere molecules, we're so much better than that. No, as with most psychopharmacology various potential factors have been identified and correlation found. Sadly correlation is not equal to causation. The fact that pharmaceuticals are a terrible long term solution is further proof against the issue being simply chemical. Explain chemically how the children of once syphilitics are so very prone to psychoneuroses such as these? I did just that recently- "Boys who Abuse" I believe was the title.
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Posted: Sat Oct 03, 2009 5:37 pm
CH1YO Lumanny the Space Jew CH1YO Lumanny the Space Jew CH1YO Lumanny the Space Jew Freud, please.
Though he was wrong about a whole lot.. I can't blame you- he is a gem. Of course- but right about an awful lot too, such is a vast body of work.
I love Freud and his work, but I'm still hung up on just how badly he messed up in diagnosis regarding Obsessive-Compulsive Disorder, my personal curse. He attributed OCD to problems with potty training, when it is actually a Chemical Imbalance in the brain creating a chronic, hereditary disorder.He's wrong on details but generally oh so right. Of course OCD isn't a chemical issue- please never try to reduce people to mere molecules, we're so much better than that. No, as with most psychopharmacology various potential factors have been identified and correlation found. Sadly correlation is not equal to causation. The fact that pharmaceuticals are a terrible long term solution is further proof against the issue being simply chemical. Explain chemically how the children of once syphilitics are so very prone to psychoneuroses such as these? I did just that recently- "Boys who Abuse" I believe was the title.
Puh-lease.
I've had OCD all my life. I've read the books. I take the medicine. I take the therapy. It is chemical.
What you're so hung up on, is that OCD can be helped with therapy. It can be treated with therapy and with medicine, I take both.
However, it is still caused by chemical imbalance. It is chemical, even though it can be treated without chemicals.
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Posted: Sat Oct 03, 2009 5:43 pm
Lumanny the Space Jew Puh-lease.
I've had OCD all my life.
I've read the books. I take the medicine. I take the therapy. It is chemical.
What you're so hung up on, is that OCD can be helped with therapy. It can be treated with therapy and with medicine, I take both.
However, it is still caused by chemical imbalance. It is chemical, even though it can be treated without chemicals. You're welcome. Hyperbole. If it were chemical the therapy wouldn't be at all necessary. Reductionism is horrible. It can be fixed, most certainly, by psychoanalysis or individual psychological therapy- without the need for poison. A chemical imbalance that cannot be explained chemically and can be tuned without chemicals?
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Posted: Sat Oct 03, 2009 6:04 pm
CH1YO Lumanny the Space Jew Puh-lease.
I've had OCD all my life.
I've read the books. I take the medicine. I take the therapy. It is chemical.
What you're so hung up on, is that OCD can be helped with therapy. It can be treated with therapy and with medicine, I take both.
However, it is still caused by chemical imbalance. It is chemical, even though it can be treated without chemicals. You're welcome. Hyperbole. If it were chemical the therapy wouldn't be at all necessary. Reductionism is horrible. It can be fixed, most certainly, by psychoanalysis or individual psychological therapy- without the need for poison. A chemical imbalance that cannot be explained chemically and can be tuned without chemicals?
You're Welcome.
Logical Fallacy.
Just because something is chemical doesn't mean it needs Chemicals to be treated. Chemicals can treat it. Therapy can treat it, too. And note that I say treat, not fix. Because OCD is chronic, it can never be cured, at least not with modern science, even when it's in remission.
I expect you to start checking your facts before you post from now on, child.
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Posted: Sat Oct 03, 2009 6:12 pm
Lumanny the Space Jew CH1YO Lumanny the Space Jew Puh-lease.
I've had OCD all my life.
I've read the books. I take the medicine. I take the therapy. It is chemical.
What you're so hung up on, is that OCD can be helped with therapy. It can be treated with therapy and with medicine, I take both.
However, it is still caused by chemical imbalance. It is chemical, even though it can be treated without chemicals. You're welcome. Hyperbole. If it were chemical the therapy wouldn't be at all necessary. Reductionism is horrible. It can be fixed, most certainly, by psychoanalysis or individual psychological therapy- without the need for poison. A chemical imbalance that cannot be explained chemically and can be tuned without chemicals?
Logical Fallacy.
Just because something is chemical doesn't mean it needs Chemicals to be treated. Chemicals can treat it. Therapy can treat it, too. And note that I say treat, not fix. Because OCD is chronic, it can never be cured, at least not with modern science, even when it's in remission.
I expect you to start checking your facts before you post from now on, child.Not fallacy- diagnosis. It's simple enough to fix- it's a psychoneurosis- medication of course never fixes a problem. Condescension works not where discussing with an expert.
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Posted: Sat Oct 03, 2009 6:18 pm
CH1YO Lumanny the Space Jew CH1YO Lumanny the Space Jew Puh-lease.
I've had OCD all my life.
I've read the books. I take the medicine. I take the therapy. It is chemical.
What you're so hung up on, is that OCD can be helped with therapy. It can be treated with therapy and with medicine, I take both.
However, it is still caused by chemical imbalance. It is chemical, even though it can be treated without chemicals. You're welcome. Hyperbole. If it were chemical the therapy wouldn't be at all necessary. Reductionism is horrible. It can be fixed, most certainly, by psychoanalysis or individual psychological therapy- without the need for poison. A chemical imbalance that cannot be explained chemically and can be tuned without chemicals?
Logical Fallacy.
Just because something is chemical doesn't mean it needs Chemicals to be treated. Chemicals can treat it. Therapy can treat it, too. And note that I say treat, not fix. Because OCD is chronic, it can never be cured, at least not with modern science, even when it's in remission.
I expect you to start checking your facts before you post from now on, child.Not fallacy- diagnosis. It's simple enough to fix- it's a psychoneurosis- medication of course never fixes a problem. Condescension works not where discussing with an expert.
You ARE the expert in making up facts, I must admit.
Medication treats, but does not cure. Unless that experimental new brain surgery can actually do it, thre is no cure.
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Posted: Sat Oct 03, 2009 6:23 pm
Lumanny the Space Jew CH1YO Lumanny the Space Jew CH1YO Lumanny the Space Jew Puh-lease.
I've had OCD all my life.
I've read the books. I take the medicine. I take the therapy. It is chemical.
What you're so hung up on, is that OCD can be helped with therapy. It can be treated with therapy and with medicine, I take both.
However, it is still caused by chemical imbalance. It is chemical, even though it can be treated without chemicals. You're welcome. Hyperbole. If it were chemical the therapy wouldn't be at all necessary. Reductionism is horrible. It can be fixed, most certainly, by psychoanalysis or individual psychological therapy- without the need for poison. A chemical imbalance that cannot be explained chemically and can be tuned without chemicals?
Logical Fallacy.
Just because something is chemical doesn't mean it needs Chemicals to be treated. Chemicals can treat it. Therapy can treat it, too. And note that I say treat, not fix. Because OCD is chronic, it can never be cured, at least not with modern science, even when it's in remission.
I expect you to start checking your facts before you post from now on, child.Not fallacy- diagnosis. It's simple enough to fix- it's a psychoneurosis- medication of course never fixes a problem. Condescension works not where discussing with an expert.
Medication treats, but does not cure. Unless that experimental new brain surgery can actually do it, thre is no cure.Not at all, I wouldn't do something so very common. Psychotherapy is more than fit to correct any psychoneurosis.
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