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 Posted: Wed Sep 02, 2009 8:29 pm
xxEternallyBluexx I'm still not exactly sure. I'm not saying we have to follow the laws of the OT to be saved (of course not. Jesus did that), but I still think some of the OT laws are a good guide and it helps give a greater understanding of God, and I really don't think the OT is just a historical/cultural reference. If you're saved by Him, then in any case I believe the Holy Spirit is guiding you, but reading the Word is a part of that. You can't just disregard half of it. I really wasn't trying to focus on obeying the OT laws, just the importance of the OT. sweatdrop I agree more or less. Jesus was a Jew, if the OT contained the dictates of God and a set code for morality plus a great deal of wisdom then it's not something that I as a Christian am going to ignore and pretend that it's irrelevant to my faith when it is not.
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Posted: Wed Sep 02, 2009 9:50 pm
rmcdra Sanguina Cruenta I think I've confused myself. Is YHWH the Creator or God? In Judaism and traditional Christianity YHVH is both. In the Gnostic view point YHVH is just the Creator. Culturally I understand God in terms of YHVH and I can call him YHVH because "I am who I am" is a pretty nice short hand way of describing the ineffable but the YHVH described in Judaism is not the God that I know. The God that I know is the one I came to know through Christ. As to IS's comments about wondering how one can call YHVH insane, tell me this why would a loving God "test" the faithfulness of one of his followers by telling him to kill his first born Son? Why would a God who is all forgiving, destroy his creation with a great flood? Why would a God that is loving, tell his people to leave no survivors including the women and children? Also why would Christ rebuke his disciples for suggesting that he do as Elijah did and destroy the city that rejected them? I can find the verses to all of these if you would like. I think tests are given to tell others as well as ourselves of our progress. If we pass then we know we can move on; if we don't then we know we have work to do. Testing is preperation for the next step. Was that the story about Abraham and Isaac. I think the test was for Abraham to know that his love and trust for GOD was stronger than anything else. On the second and third question. Would you consider removing one bad apple or a few from the bunch to prevent the distruction of a whole crop? Would you have a cancerius tumor removed from your body so the rest would not be infected? confused
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Posted: Thu Sep 03, 2009 3:24 am
quietstorm 2 I think tests are given to tell others as well as ourselves of our progress. If we pass then we know we can move on; if we don't then we know we have work to do. Testing is preperation for the next step. Was that the story about Abraham and Isaac. I think the test was for Abraham to know that his love and trust for GOD was stronger than anything else. I never said that test are not good. But then why did Satan test Christ when he was in the wilderness, why not God the Father? It is the world and ourselves that test our faith to God. God knows what lies in our hearts. God has no need to test us. Quote: On the second and third question. Would you consider removing one bad apple or a few from the bunch to prevent the distruction of a whole crop? Would you have a cancerius tumor removed from your body so the rest would not be infected? confused I think someone needs to re-read Matt 5:43-47. What the Creator demands here is not consistent with what Christ has to say. Why is this if God doesn't change?
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Posted: Thu Sep 03, 2009 4:36 am
Semiremis In Medias Res IV Semiremis -Tsukiyo-Moon Maiden Voldemort point two rmcdra I looks like someone is leading up to disprove genesis. Honestly learn something about symbolism in Judaism and re-read it interpreting the symbols. It makes much more sense that way than to see it as a historical telling of who we are. It's an allegory about who we are. If you don't like that story check out the gnostic text, On the Origin of the World. It puts a radical twist on Genesis. He's asking Christians. Gnostic text =/= Christian text. Gnostics texts are the texts that were removed/banned from the Bible. They are Christian in nature. neutral They were never in the bible to begin with. Neither were the Dead Sea Scrolls, does this make them any less valid? Ever heard of the Council of Nicea? Yeah, not everything made it into the NT, there are many books that should be in consideration. Which one and what about it? Tsukiyo said that the gnostic texts were removed from the bible, they were not. So I responded that they weren't in there to begin with since they weren't. It was a matter of clarification. The Gnostic texts are the banned books of the Bible. The Gospel of Mary, Book of Enoch, and the book of Judas to name a few. How do you know that they never made it the Bible?
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Posted: Thu Sep 03, 2009 6:19 am
-Tsukiyo-Moon Maiden Semiremis In Medias Res IV Semiremis -Tsukiyo-Moon Maiden Gnostics texts are the texts that were removed/banned from the Bible. They are Christian in nature. neutral They were never in the bible to begin with. Neither were the Dead Sea Scrolls, does this make them any less valid? Ever heard of the Council of Nicea? Yeah, not everything made it into the NT, there are many books that should be in consideration. Which one and what about it? Tsukiyo said that the gnostic texts were removed from the bible, they were not. So I responded that they weren't in there to begin with since they weren't. It was a matter of clarification. The Gnostic texts are the banned books of the Bible. The Gospel of Mary, Book of Enoch, and the book of Judas to name a few. How do you know that they never made it the Bible? Because the bible wasn't compiled as it is today until 385(?) CE. Each church until that time basically used their own version of the Bible.
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Posted: Thu Sep 03, 2009 8:05 am
The modern day Assyrians are descendants of Christians labeled as heritics. Even they used the same four gospels.
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Posted: Thu Sep 03, 2009 8:54 am
rmcdra -Tsukiyo-Moon Maiden Semiremis In Medias Res IV Semiremis -Tsukiyo-Moon Maiden Gnostics texts are the texts that were removed/banned from the Bible. They are Christian in nature. neutral They were never in the bible to begin with. Neither were the Dead Sea Scrolls, does this make them any less valid? Ever heard of the Council of Nicea? Yeah, not everything made it into the NT, there are many books that should be in consideration. Which one and what about it? Tsukiyo said that the gnostic texts were removed from the bible, they were not. So I responded that they weren't in there to begin with since they weren't. It was a matter of clarification. The Gnostic texts are the banned books of the Bible. The Gospel of Mary, Book of Enoch, and the book of Judas to name a few. How do you know that they never made it the Bible? Because the bible wasn't compiled as it is today until 385(?) CE. Each church until that time basically used their own version of the Bible. *nods* and it wasn't even their own version of the bible since the bible hadn't even been compiled and since oral tradition took precedence over the written word.
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Posted: Thu Sep 03, 2009 9:17 am
If Adam and Eve were naked and all was okay until they ate the fruit..
Why is it such a bad thing to be naked now? I understand the concept of "shame" (which I've heard we got due to the fruit), but is it really right to be ashamed of something God gave us?
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Posted: Thu Sep 03, 2009 10:07 am
rmcdra -Tsukiyo-Moon Maiden Semiremis In Medias Res IV Semiremis -Tsukiyo-Moon Maiden Gnostics texts are the texts that were removed/banned from the Bible. They are Christian in nature. neutral They were never in the bible to begin with. Neither were the Dead Sea Scrolls, does this make them any less valid? Ever heard of the Council of Nicea? Yeah, not everything made it into the NT, there are many books that should be in consideration. Which one and what about it? Tsukiyo said that the gnostic texts were removed from the bible, they were not. So I responded that they weren't in there to begin with since they weren't. It was a matter of clarification. The Gnostic texts are the banned books of the Bible. The Gospel of Mary, Book of Enoch, and the book of Judas to name a few. How do you know that they never made it the Bible? Because the bible wasn't compiled as it is today until 385(?) CE. Each church until that time basically used their own version of the Bible. But Churches today use their own version also. So what's to say that the Banned Books aren't apart of the Bible. They could shed light on some questions that have been left unanswered and what not.
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Posted: Thu Sep 03, 2009 10:47 am
-Tsukiyo-Moon Maiden rmcdra -Tsukiyo-Moon Maiden Semiremis In Medias Res IV Neither were the Dead Sea Scrolls, does this make them any less valid? Ever heard of the Council of Nicea? Yeah, not everything made it into the NT, there are many books that should be in consideration. Which one and what about it? Tsukiyo said that the gnostic texts were removed from the bible, they were not. So I responded that they weren't in there to begin with since they weren't. It was a matter of clarification. The Gnostic texts are the banned books of the Bible. The Gospel of Mary, Book of Enoch, and the book of Judas to name a few. How do you know that they never made it the Bible? Because the bible wasn't compiled as it is today until 385(?) CE. Each church until that time basically used their own version of the Bible. But Churches today use their own version also. So what's to say that the Banned Books aren't apart of the Bible. They could shed light on some questions that have been left unanswered and what not. That's my stance. Personally the Gnostic texts made more sense to me. Now the Canonical texts of the NT make sense to me.
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Posted: Wed Sep 30, 2009 2:57 pm
-Tsukiyo-Moon Maiden rmcdra -Tsukiyo-Moon Maiden Semiremis In Medias Res IV Neither were the Dead Sea Scrolls, does this make them any less valid? Ever heard of the Council of Nicea? Yeah, not everything made it into the NT, there are many books that should be in consideration. Which one and what about it? Tsukiyo said that the gnostic texts were removed from the bible, they were not. So I responded that they weren't in there to begin with since they weren't. It was a matter of clarification. The Gnostic texts are the banned books of the Bible. The Gospel of Mary, Book of Enoch, and the book of Judas to name a few. How do you know that they never made it the Bible? Because the bible wasn't compiled as it is today until 385(?) CE. Each church until that time basically used their own version of the Bible. But Churches today use their own version also. So what's to say that the Banned Books aren't apart of the Bible. They could shed light on some questions that have been left unanswered and what not. The Council of Nicaea actually used some pretty strict standards. Some of the included a.) Is it in common usage? B.) does it conform to other, more widely used texts? C.) Does it contain teachings obviously at odds with received tradition? Some of the Gnostic texts, such as the Gospel of Mary, are notoriously incomplete. And some simply weren't in widespread use - perhaps only a handful of churches used them. At least, this is what my own studies have turned up.
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