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 Posted: Thu Sep 10, 2009 7:54 pm
Trinity Neo Boom Nines19 Trinity Neo Boom Witchcraft has the three fold rule No. And why would you say it doesnt??? Because I'm a witch and I don't acknowledge the truth of anything that can be deemed a "three fold rule".
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Posted: Thu Sep 10, 2009 7:57 pm
xXrainbowrazorsXx Does evil exsist?? i personally don't think so, most actions are made with good reson the that person in turn being good to them. eg: hitler killing off Jews in the name of god, you and i think it is wrong but he didn't that is not "evil" (i was being generalised with the holocost sorry) Just because a person does not see their acts as evil, doesn't mean others also do not see their acts as evil. Evil exists. Even if only as a concept of, "Hey, I really don't ******** like it when someone does that."
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Posted: Fri Sep 11, 2009 12:14 am
Chieftain Twilight Sanguina Cruenta Chieftain Twilight Sanguina Cruenta Chieftain Twilight the threefold law is Wiccan. Well, the point really is that it's a ritual contrivance that has no actual relevance or application to non-initiates. *shrugs.* consideing though how similar it is to Buddhist and Hindu belief of Karma, or to the Abrahamic religion's belief of that whoever blesses others will be blessed and whoever curses somone will be cursed, or even the Law of Attraction, i have to say it matters to everyone. i believe in the fat that you get what you give. whatever you are putting out is what will come back around to you. It's not at all similar to karma. As I said, it's a ritual contrivance. What it means I cannot know as I haven't participated in the relevant ritual. I've never met a Wiccan yet that believes what they send out comes back threefold, though, so if it does mean that sort of thing, it's not something they apply to their lives outside of that ritual. I have heard mention that some Wiccans think about it in a different sort of way, but again I think you need the ritual to actually understand that on a practical level. It's certainly not relevant to anyone other than Wiccans. how is it not like karma? just because the difference between the amount worth that comes back, or whether it happens in your life or reincarnation? the idea behind it is the same. that you effect the energy around you. No, because karma is a concept that cannot be separated from the concept of dharma. It has to do with your role in life and living according to particular rules... or something. (A Hindu or someone otherwise informed can help me out here.) You accumulate karma and particular actions can decrease it. I'm willing to concede that the threefold law is similar to karma if you can explain its relevance to dharma.
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Posted: Fri Sep 11, 2009 3:54 am
Sanguina Cruenta Chieftain Twilight Sanguina Cruenta Chieftain Twilight Sanguina Cruenta Chieftain Twilight the threefold law is Wiccan. Well, the point really is that it's a ritual contrivance that has no actual relevance or application to non-initiates. *shrugs.* consideing though how similar it is to Buddhist and Hindu belief of Karma, or to the Abrahamic religion's belief of that whoever blesses others will be blessed and whoever curses somone will be cursed, or even the Law of Attraction, i have to say it matters to everyone. i believe in the fat that you get what you give. whatever you are putting out is what will come back around to you. It's not at all similar to karma. As I said, it's a ritual contrivance. What it means I cannot know as I haven't participated in the relevant ritual. I've never met a Wiccan yet that believes what they send out comes back threefold, though, so if it does mean that sort of thing, it's not something they apply to their lives outside of that ritual. I have heard mention that some Wiccans think about it in a different sort of way, but again I think you need the ritual to actually understand that on a practical level. It's certainly not relevant to anyone other than Wiccans. how is it not like karma? just because the difference between the amount worth that comes back, or whether it happens in your life or reincarnation? the idea behind it is the same. that you effect the energy around you. No, because karma is a concept that cannot be separated from the concept of dharma. It has to do with your role in life and living according to particular rules... or something. (A Hindu or someone otherwise informed can help me out here.) You accumulate karma and particular actions can decrease it. I'm willing to concede that the threefold law is similar to karma if you can explain its relevance to dharma. i realy can't, because i don't believe that ANYTHING of a religious doctrinal nature has ANY relevence to the Spirituality of the matter. my only point realy is that both talk about the same kind of force, but they each define it differently, and teach it in a different way that suits the needs of the religion (which is a human-made establishment. the Spirituality of it can exist without it).
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Posted: Fri Sep 11, 2009 4:13 am
Chieftain Twilight i realy can't, because i don't believe that ANYTHING of a religious doctrinal nature has ANY relevence to the Spirituality of the matter. my only point realy is that both talk about the same kind of force, but they each define it differently, and teach it in a different way that suits the needs of the religion (which is a human-made establishment. the Spirituality of it can exist without it). You don't understand what karma is and how it works, so you're drawing incorrect conclusions based on your misunderstanding. What you speak about when you talk about some form of law of return, or whatever, is not karma in any shape or form. You cannot take karma from dharma, at all. It loses all meaning. Instead all you're doing is using the word to refer to something else entirely, which is disrespectful and misleading. You don't understand the spirituality of karma, is what I'm saying. We need background study to understand some spiritual concepts.
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Posted: Fri Sep 11, 2009 4:23 am
alright, i will concede that. to be honest, as much as i read on Buddhism, alot of it is completely lost on me. ._. it's so.... odd... i can't comprehend most of it, and what i can takes a LONG time of focusing on one bit or lesson at a time... sweatdrop
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Posted: Fri Sep 11, 2009 6:36 am
Nines19 xXrainbowrazorsXx Does evil exsist?? i personally don't think so, most actions are made with good reson the that person in turn being good to them. eg: hitler killing off Jews in the name of god, you and i think it is wrong but he didn't that is not "evil" (i was being generalised with the holocost sorry) Just because a person does not see their acts as evil, doesn't mean others also do not see their acts as evil. Evil exists. Even if only as a concept of, "Hey, I really don't ******** like it when someone does that." does that make evil?? evil by definition is real but that makes almost every action evil. and if every thing is evil then what is truly bad?? if you get my point
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Posted: Fri Sep 11, 2009 6:02 pm
xXrainbowrazorsXx Nines19 xXrainbowrazorsXx Does evil exsist?? i personally don't think so, most actions are made with good reson the that person in turn being good to them. eg: hitler killing off Jews in the name of god, you and i think it is wrong but he didn't that is not "evil" (i was being generalised with the holocost sorry) Just because a person does not see their acts as evil, doesn't mean others also do not see their acts as evil. Evil exists. Even if only as a concept of, "Hey, I really don't ******** like it when someone does that." does that make evil?? evil by definition is real but that makes almost every action evil. and if every thing is evil then what is truly bad?? if you get my point ...? No? That was a very very simplified version of the mildest definition possible. I figured the "even if only" bit would get that across.
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Posted: Sat Sep 26, 2009 10:40 pm
Anything that could be called a "Threefold law" was a recent interpretation upon Wicca. Wicca is a religion, witchcraft is practiced by those who follow many different religions.
Good and Evil exist not in the spell itself, but in the intent of the caster. And considering how often people cast spells without wanting to look at themselves for their *real* motives....
If we really want to get into it, we can discuss the effects. By example: Caster want's a job. Caster puts out applications, and gets a job that s/he would otherwise not have had. Oh boy, that money has to come from somewhere - either Caster took a job that someone else had, or a new job was created for our Caster, which pulls money from elsewhere, possibly depriving others....
Magic is not something where all the variables can be seen, much less tracked and placed as we see fit. Otherwise, it'd be a pretty simple, finite little universe we're looking at, now wouldn't it?
That's life. We all have to eat.
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Posted: Sun Sep 27, 2009 12:45 am
Yeah, I had a musing along those lines a few months ago. I was thinking how wonderful it is to find a fifty dollar bill, and how people often thank their deity or lucky stars for such things. But that money isn't created by a deity from firmament. In order for you to find that money, someone has to lose it, and it is a lot to lose. That deity must not think favourably of the one who loses it... and is it right to ask for, or wish for, such a thing? when someone else will lose out so?
But for us to succeed someone else has to lose. One must make the best of it that one can for oneself.
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Posted: Sun Sep 27, 2009 2:25 am
okay i haven't back-read but my thoughts on the whole "black/white magic" thing.
i call myself a white witch because that is what i mainly am, i am positive in my thinking & workings, but i consider black & white in the context of negative (black) & positive (white) magic.
i believe that you have to use both to achieve a balance.
i don't believe it is evil because evil (imho) is a christian concept & i do not follow that faith or it's teachings. i also don't believe in the 3-fold law, because i am not a wiccan.
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Posted: Sun Sep 27, 2009 2:35 am
purply bunz i call myself a white witch because that is what i mainly am, i am positive in my thinking & workings, but i consider black & white in the context of negative (black) & positive (white) magic. Note - the following is not an attempt to criticise. You are entitled to define yourself as a white witch if you choose to do so and it is accurate in its way. So you link "positive" and "white" in your personal symbolism? fair enough. What are your thoughts regarding those who link "darkness" or "black" with "positive"? What do you mean when you describe your workings (and thinking) as "positive"?
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Posted: Sun Sep 27, 2009 3:07 am
purply bunz i don't believe it is evil because evil (imho) is a christian concept Wow so this concept did not exists until Christianity came around? Could you define what you believe evil to be? Depending on your definition, I may or may not agree with you.
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Posted: Sun Sep 27, 2009 4:14 am
sanguina ~ if someone wishes to link black of darkness with positive then that is up to them, but i personally don't.
what i mean by my workings & thinking as positive in that when i do rituals, spells the way i interact with others in my daily life i have a positive way of thinking & i believe that by having positive thoughts in (the majority of) my life, it can only enrich my life.
rmcdra ~ what i believe evil to be?? i don't believe anyone or anything is evil. i believe everyone was born as a blank slate (so to speak) & with a rough plan developed (i believe in re-incarantion & each incarnation is a lesson for the soul). but i do believe that we all have choices that we can make & depending on those choices the course of our life is more & more pernamently determined. some people have more negativity in them which if that is enchanced it comes out in crime.
hope that made sense, sometimes i find it difficult to explain things properly
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Posted: Sun Sep 27, 2009 4:24 am
purply bunz sanguina ~ if someone wishes to link black of darkness with positive then that is up to them, but i personally don't. So would you personally describe these people as "white witches" or as "black witches"? Quote: what i mean by my workings & thinking as positive in that when i do rituals, spells the way i interact with others in my daily life i have a positive way of thinking & i believe that by having positive thoughts in (the majority of) my life, it can only enrich my life. That's not what I meant, really. I meant, what do you mean by "positive"?
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