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chibi_viki

PostPosted: Sat Oct 01, 2005 9:20 am


yup, same here. i started to hate the state a bit when i read Luca's background. strange how you look at both sides of a coin. In the end, neither side looks better than the other sweatdrop
PostPosted: Sat Oct 01, 2005 10:21 am


Does Suikoden V take place years after S3 or after S4?

If it is after S4, then Bartholomew might be in it. I just finished beating Suikoden IV for the third time and it said that he traveled off to Falena searching for a battle.

Maiden of Night


SpineRaker

PostPosted: Sat Oct 01, 2005 2:50 pm


hmm...I wouldn't know about that, actually. I didn't get like...10 or so of the characters (inlcuding Ted, for crying out loud damn it! I didn't even know he was in it!!! scream ). I got to the end boss and realised it was the end boss--can't beat the damned thing...(stupid Turtle razz )...kept on killing everyone with that Mego-Tree-Cannon deelie; gave up for the first time in the entire series and havn't gone back since. Might beat it one day, but #4 was just plain horrible imho. If you liked it, good for you...in a way I wish I did sad .
PostPosted: Sat Oct 01, 2005 4:30 pm


You should have bought the official strategy guide for S4. It has all 108 Stars and secrets and every item. 3nodding That guide got me through the whole game. And the guide also has full colored maps for every dungeon and city!

Maiden of Night


Gottendamerung

PostPosted: Sat Oct 01, 2005 6:11 pm


It happen someting like 10-20 years before suiko II. To see people comming back from Suiko IV, you most play Suikoden : Rhapsodia
PostPosted: Sat Oct 01, 2005 6:51 pm


10-20 years, prior to Suikoden II? Wow...So this most denfinetely must have been where Georg was before Suikoden II. So I guess that means Bartholomew won't be in it. Maybe his great grand kid will be in it. XD

Maiden of Night


SpineRaker

PostPosted: Sat Oct 01, 2005 7:53 pm


Maiden of Night
You should have bought the official strategy guide for S4. It has all 108 Stars and secrets and every item. 3nodding That guide got me through the whole game. And the guide also has full colored maps for every dungeon and city!


scream People that grab a strategy guide their first time playing piss me off! What is the point of playing a game if you know all the secrets your first time through!? I got the strat guide for #2 and didn't even CRACK it until I beat the fraking thing! Since I have yet to find interest in beating #4, Strat guides/cheating (as the two are the EXACT same thing--I don't care what you say) is out of the question. I rarely even look for online help for a hard puzzle; I beat something on my OWN and feel all the better when I find I beat/got something that those that used the guide COULDN'T. Stupid strategy guide addict razz .
PostPosted: Sat Oct 01, 2005 8:34 pm


*Jumps up and down* Suikoden Tactics is set before 4 and you get more info about 4, there are some charecters from 4 in it too. I have all four of them and the thing with Ted confused me.... *tilts head*

Yay! Suikoden 5!! blaugh

Tsukiyo no


chibi_viki

PostPosted: Sat Oct 01, 2005 10:59 pm


Xchaos
It happen someting like 10-20 years before suiko II. To see people comming back from Suikoden : Rhapsodia


i really think it's more than 20 years before gs2 because according to Georg's background, after what happened in Falena he goes to grasslands an become the leader of the Ebony Moon Knights, then Emperor Barbossa recruits him as a general during the Succession war, then he reappears to aid you in jowston. Plus, according to richmond, georg is already 60 -- that's in gs2 timeline -- but look at his new character design in gs5... he looks young for a supposedly 40-50 year old man, don't you think?

btw... the timeline for gs4 is 150 years before gs1, right??

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Maiden of Night Wrote:
You should have bought the official strategy guide for S4. It has all 108 Stars and secrets and every item. That guide got me through the whole game. And the guide also has full colored maps for every dungeon and city!

SpineRaker Wrote:
People that grab a strategy guide their first time playing piss me off! What is the point of playing a game if you know all the secrets your first time through!? I got the strat guide for #2 and didn't even CRACK it until I beat the fraking thing! Since I have yet to find interest in beating #4, Strat guides/cheating (as the two are the EXACT same thing--I don't care what you say) is out of the question. I rarely even look for online help for a hard puzzle; I beat something on my OWN and feel all the better when I find I beat/got something that those that used the guide COULDN'T. Stupid strategy guide addict .


i must agree with SpineRaker here... i only refer to guides when i'm stuck in a game. You have to explore the game on your own to thoroughly enjoy it. it feels more rewarding to beat a boss or find something rare on your own than when using a strategy guide. 3nodding
PostPosted: Sun Oct 02, 2005 6:17 am


A lot of people dont know it but the information that Richmond gave for Georg was FALSE. They made a translation error and write his life backware. That mean that in reality...:

"First he has served as one of the Six Great Generals in the Scarlet Moon Empire, then he was a Black Moon Warrior in Grassland, and then a Queen's Knight in Falena..."

That mean that the Falena even was the last things(That we know) he does before suikoII

And yes, SuikoIV was 150 years in the past

Gottendamerung


Gottendamerung

PostPosted: Sun Oct 02, 2005 6:23 am


Evengelic Kagerou
*Jumps up and down* Suikoden Tactics is set before 4 and you get more info about 4, there are some charecters from 4 in it too. I have all four of them and the thing with Ted confused me.... *tilts head*

Yay! Suikoden 5!! blaugh


Isnt it AFTER Suiko4?
PostPosted: Mon Oct 03, 2005 6:53 am


Xchaos
Evengelic Kagerou
*Jumps up and down* Suikoden Tactics is set before 4 and you get more info about 4, there are some charecters from 4 in it too. I have all four of them and the thing with Ted confused me.... *tilts head*

Yay! Suikoden 5!! blaugh


Isnt it AFTER Suiko4?


from what i heard, it IS before gs4... it'll explain the background of the characters filling up the plot that the 4th left vogue. at least, that's what suikosource said when they announced it.

anyway, the only reason i may play suikoden tactics may be just to find out more about sigurd -- but right now, i'm more excited about 5 than tactics sweatdrop

chibi_viki


Maiden of Night

PostPosted: Thu Oct 06, 2005 2:46 pm


How many years is it before Suikoden IV?
PostPosted: Fri Oct 07, 2005 7:50 am


Eh. Guess there are a few matters to clear up:

First of all, Suikoden Rhapsodia (aka Suikoden Tactics) is set AFTER Suikoden IV. If it was set before Suikoden IV, the convenience of the Rune Cannons would no longer be at your fingertips, as the entire objective of Suikoden Rhapodia is to rid the world of the Rune Cannons, so that there wouldn't be a gigantic plothole left gaping with its white belly for Suikoden I and II, considering the fact that we couldn't use the Rune Cannons then.

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That mean that the Falena even was the last things(That we know) he does before suikoII


Thank you for that quote from Suikox, XChaos, you saved me from having to dig it out from the bottom of the pile somewhere in the massive info site. biggrin

Referring to the XChaos' above quote from Suikox, it is pretty clear that Suikoden V can not be set after Suikoden II as it's plain dumb logic that no one -and I mean no one- is stupid enough to go back to the country in which they surreptiously had a role in murdering the monarch. Going back to Falena would be a no-no to Georg after Suikoden II, so it only makes sense that if it's set before Suikoden II. IMO, if the Queen of Falena IS the final boss, it wouldn't be strange if killing her off would be literally considered as 'assassination'. Guess Hero V didn't correct that part of history.

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yeah, that's me... why?


Just curious. biggrin

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Especially after I read why he hated his father and sister so much.


Correction. Luca never hated Jillia- in fact, he loved Jillia like his own sister (well, literally, she wasn't his sister, just his step-sister....or something along those lines) as she apparently reminded him of his mother. The person whom Luca bore a grudge against were the assassins from Muse and of course- Agares Blight.

Think about it. If Luca truly hated Jillia (who was mentioned to be the 'spitting image of his mother), wouldn't he have killed her from the start? We all know that Luca's hatred caused him to commit many heinous crimes, but it is also a fact that his last shred of sanity lay with his sister.

Of course, that point's debatable as well. There still exists an argument in which one argues whether Luca regarded Jillia as someone to be protected - or merely as a reminder of what has happened to his mother. He brings her along on all his conquests - Riou and Jowy meet her during their reconnaissance mission at the Highland Camp. Strange for a person to want a person so close to him to near to the battlefield, no?

We can look at this action in two ways- he could, for one, have brought Jillia along with him so that a similar fate that caused him to lose his mother might not befall Jillia if the City-State of Jowston ever try pulling such a dirty trick again. He regards Jillia as his only remaining kin, and his urge to protect her is understandable.

On the other hand, if Jillia was really the spitting image of Agares' wife, Luca could have as well been keeping Jillia close so that he would be forever reminded of what the Muse ruffians did to his mother, and the fact that his father remained the useless coward that he was when he ran. Jillia could be the reason why he can keep the rage inside him for so long- perhaps, when he looks at her, he is reminded for the need to exact revenge on the country that killed his mother.

Either way, there's no arguing that Luca was indeed, a very man with a very disturbed psyche. His reasons are of course, debatable, but his motives are not.

Dynast Metallium


SpineRaker

PostPosted: Fri Oct 07, 2005 1:59 pm


Hmm...never thought of it that way. Then again, I was kind of thinking that Jillia had a Phero Rune on; how else could she stand to have Luca even next to her...let alone concider Jowey as a Husband....then again I just have to say that because I've never seen the Phero Rune in action biggrin . (Since I've only heard of it in #1 and was never able to obtain one razz )
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