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What should I do after the end of the season?
  Go back and do Season One of Welsh Who.
  Do a season from English Who.
  Do the current season of Eighth Doctor audios.
  Go outside and get some fresh air.
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PostPosted: Sun May 11, 2008 7:50 am


Tea's good for relaxation.
It helps my head clear up anyway.
"Oh wow, I think I just had an enlightenment. I think I know the question to the ultimate answer..."

"Really? What is it then?"

"... Oh wait, it was just the tea"

"Damn! I was hoping to shove this into my Boss's face in the morning."

"Dad, you will get your revenge for that one time where he had to CORRECT you with the Dolphin's quote one day."

"One could only be so wistful."

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And if you have no idea what I am talking about you clearly haven't read the bible.
(For Sci Fi nerds that is...)
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PostPosted: Sun May 11, 2008 1:40 pm


Look everyone! It's like an essay, except you don't need an attention span! Huzzah!



The Sontaran Sky/The Poison Stratagem.


User Image - Blocked by "Display Image" Settings. Click to show.Back in 70's Who then aliens often seemed to invade the Earth for no particular reason. This season though, what's striking is that they're all invading Earth for the exact same reason.
Miss Fost's using it to raise Adipose children.
The Pyrovile want to to breed a "New race of creatures."
The Sontarans want it as a spawning ground for thier clones.
Everyone out there agrees on what Planet Earth is for.
It's a cradle.

User Image - Blocked by "Display Image" Settings. Click to show."Tom Milligan...he's in paediatrics."
Well, of course he is. What else?

Humanity itself is a child race as far as the Sontarans are concered - "These are toy soldiers. The weapons of children" - and engagement with them is play rather than war.




User Image - Blocked by "Display Image" Settings. Click to show. All this breeding going on...it's a wonder nobody's started talking about the prospect of the Doctor producing children. Oh, hang on! Donna did in the first episode ("You just want to MATE?"). But it's here that we first seriously look at the question of who should be considered the Doctor's children. Watch that scene where Martha's all dressed up in 'daddy's clothes' and lets slip that she now sees the Doctor as a father figure. Should we think of the Doctor's companions as his 'children'? After all, he raises them, develops them, instills them with his values and then sends them out into the universe to do wonderful things. Sounds like a pretty good parent to me. But then, what exactly are this strange species we call 'companions'...?

User Image - Blocked by "Display Image" Settings. Click to show. Brave and clever freelance journalist who gets in over her head investigating a Sontaran plot. Who am I talking about? Sarah-Jane Smith? No, you big silly! Good ol' Jo Nakashima, of course!
With all the companions buzzing about (Rose, Martha and Donna all apear in this story!) the series seems to be looking at "What Makes a Companion?" and to be doing this mostly by contrast. Penny from Partners in Crime seemed to have 'companion-ness' but lacked competance. Treacherous PR Girl from Planet of the Ood seemed to have 'companion-ness' but lacked morality.
Poor Ms Nakashima is lacking nothing except a break. She gets precisely the same intro that Sarah-Jane got in The Time Warrior, but one goes on to become fandom's favourite companion and star of a great kids' show and the other ends up a bloated corpse at the bottom of the Thames. What do companions have that Jo Nakashima doesn't? Better luck.

Just to rub this in, when we cut away from Jo fatally loosing control of her vehicle, we cut straight to a grinning and delighted Donna gaining control of her vehicle - as she learns to pilot the TARDIS.

User Image - Blocked by "Display Image" Settings. Click to show. Also, look at Private Ross in this regard. We're shamelessly directed by the Doctor to like him with a nice light flourish of metafiction (When the Doctor tells Rattigan that "We like Private Ross" then the 'We' is so obviously the Doctor and the audience). He's all set up as the new Sergeant Benton for this new iteration of the 'UNIT family'.
Then he's killed.
It's genuinely suprising. Not only are the people the show likes not safe, but the people that the structure of the show seems to need aren't safe.


User Image - Blocked by "Display Image" Settings. Click to show. Also striking is that in three of the four stories we've had so far the baddie has effectively been a company selling a product. Whether the product's been diet pills, Ood or Atmos the set-up has been very much 'Doctor Who in an Exciting Adventure with Commodity-based Capitalism'.
So far, so Marxist... but Fires of Pompeii sticks out like a sore thumb here...in that story the Doctor allied himself firmly with the forces of commodity (the marble traders are textbook Bourgeoisie).
If one saw Fires of Pompeii after seeing the other three stories one might expect the Doctor to leave Caecillius and his family to burn and to invite his slaves aboard the TARDIS instead.


User Image - Blocked by "Display Image" Settings. Click to show. There's another big difference between Fires of Pompeii and Everything Else. Of the first four stories it's the only one not to mention climate change (Unless it does and I missed it. Can someone check?).
Donna's from a soceity fixiated on its Immanenet Doom (as she points out in Planet of the Ood), while the people of Pompeii were oblivious to thiers. Their prophets didn't even have a word for 'Volcano', while our prophets (though we call them 'scientists' now) have plenty of words for global warming.
What does it do to a society when the people in it know that it's volcano day?


User Image - Blocked by "Display Image" Settings. Click to show.User Image - Blocked by "Display Image" Settings. Click to show.User Image - Blocked by "Display Image" Settings. Click to show."Was that what you did to her? Turned her into a soldier?"
Well, let's look at the post-Doctor career options of Welsh Series companions so far. Rose - working for Torchwood. Jack - working for Torchwood. Martha - working for UNIT.
There's something very strange about the way that running around with an anti-establishment rebel seems to prepare people for a life working for establishment military organisations.


User Image - Blocked by "Display Image" Settings. Click to show.Martha puns 'Homeworld security' on 'Homeland security' just before Donna mentions Guantanamo Bay, bringing the whole security/freedom debate into things. It doesn't really go anywhere though, but it damn well should have done, given that the UNIT we see here are presumably the same guys who over in Torchwood told Tosh she had no human rights and intended to lock her up until her death with no legal process whatsoever had she not been saved by Jack coming along and smirking at her predicament. The 'geniuses' who've been taking orders from Rattigan are wearing orange jumpsuits though, so perhaps the point is that all too often we imprison ourselves.

User Image - Blocked by "Display Image" Settings. Click to show."I'll have a salute."
After being engaged with the social heirarchies of Pompeii and the fluid heirachies of the corporate world, we're now in the very clear cut world of military heirarchies -both with UNIT and the Sontarans. One of Staal's first lines in "Remember your status, boy" and it's well worth noting that everyone in this story has a clearly defined status. Everyone knows exactly who thier superior is and who thier inferior is. Well, except for the Doctor and the Noble family (though again, note the name).
Donna, as she's been doing since the Doctor tried to pull rank on her back in Pompeii, mercilessly takes the piss out of all this and never misses a chance to expose how ridiculous all these 'Person A is worth more than Person B' systems are. Not least when she makes a breakthrough using the skills of a temp - a notably low-status career.

User Image - Blocked by "Display Image" Settings. Click to show.User Image - Blocked by "Display Image" Settings. Click to show.User Image - Blocked by "Display Image" Settings. Click to show.Of course the Sontarans themselves expose how ridiculous these systems are, they're just too daft to notice. These guys are a clone race who are, to all intents and purposes, identical. And yet they operate under a strict heirarchy. So that they all know which clone is better than which. It's almost beyond mockery...but the Doctor has a go anyway, dismantaling the logic behind Staal the Undefeated's name.

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Mace scores an important point over the Doctor by pointing out that he can't stop him from saluting him without ordering him not to.
How possible is it to escape from power structures when the escape demands an assumption of power?




User Image - Blocked by "Display Image" Settings. Click to show.Nevertheless, the story's keen to punish those locked into thier status games. The UNIT soldiers who don't wait for back-up but foolishly investigate the clone tank alone do so because "We get first rights on this. That means promotion."
The first thing Staal does when he meets them is offer an evaluation, telling the promotion-seeking one that he "would rate him above average."
He then changes his mind and judges him unfit once the jokes about his height start, since...


User Image - Blocked by "Display Image" Settings. Click to show.User Image - Blocked by "Display Image" Settings. Click to show...."Words are the weapons of women." Compare with the gendering of language in the 'prophecy duel' scene from Fires of Pompeii and with the fact that in that scene Evelina accuses the Doctor and Donna of turning words into weapons.
It's also interesting that the Sontarans still have enough of a concept of women to bother holding them in contempt. Women don't seem to be created for the war effort, so why would a culture have prejudices against a group it doesn't contain? Perhaps they look down on females as 'obsolete technology' - something embarassing from thier past that they think they've grown beyond.


User Image - Blocked by "Display Image" Settings. Click to show.Language is also the main battleground between the Doctor and Rattigan, and in many ways thier little games of oneupmanship over tenses and tautologies are the whole story in miniature (I'll say why at the end).
Names are back as powerful things - it's knowing the name 'Sontaran' that keeps the Doctor alive when he first meets Staal - but it has to be the right name at the right time. When Ross says, "I order you to surrender in the name of the Unified Intelligence Taskforce" it works as well as you might expect.

User Image - Blocked by "Display Image" Settings. Click to show. Plenty of religious language and imagery here, most obviously from the newsreader -"It's been likened to a biblical plague. Some are calling this the End of Days."
Also much discussion of the expectations placed on the Doctor between the members of Donna's family. Martha spells it out at one point with "He wonderful. He's brilliant. But he's like fire. Stand too close and people get burned."
Donna misses the point though as when Wilf asks if she's safe she replies, "He's amazing. Dazzling." Yep, he is. That's why you're not safe.
Oh, and obviously the fire/burning imagery gets literalised at the end.

User Image - Blocked by "Display Image" Settings. Click to show.Rattigan's World was to be established in Castor, which is the name of one of a set of mythical twins. Now I don't want to push this too far and end up talking Pollux, but in a story filled with clones, duplicates, effigies and parallels, we have to think about who stands as Rattigan's 'double'.
Lets see...A genius who, despite being a social outcast, offers a technological solution to the ecological crisis his world is facing, but is secretly planning to remake that world in his own image. Yep, Rattigan is just like Davros. But rubbish.


User Image - Blocked by "Display Image" Settings. Click to show.User Image - Blocked by "Display Image" Settings. Click to show.User Image - Blocked by "Display Image" Settings. Click to show.Then again...within this specific story he stands as a double for the Doctor. The dialogue stresses that they share the Terrible Loneliness of Seeing Things and both of them get speeches expressing thier contempt for the little people (The Doctor's "I'm stuck on Earth. Like an ordinary person. Like a human. How rubbish is that?" is probably the ugliest). It's because Rattigan can substitute for the Doctor symbollically that he can substitute for him literally once we get to Christ-like self-sacrifice time.

User Image - Blocked by "Display Image" Settings. Click to show.User Image - Blocked by "Display Image" Settings. Click to show.It's about family. "How's the family?" is the first question that the Doctor asks Martha, and he catches out her clone on the fact that she hasn't called them during the crisis. Martha and Donna bond over discussions of thier families, and by the conclusion seem to have understood that they share roles in the family the Doctor has chosen for himself. Everyone gets this except...



User Image - Blocked by "Display Image" Settings. Click to show.User Image - Blocked by "Display Image" Settings. Click to show.User Image - Blocked by "Display Image" Settings. Click to show.Rattigan. Who genuinely doesn't understand why his cotterie aren't excited by his Brave New World. Why won't they play? He's even devised a lovely breeding program for them! Problem is, he's trying to build Earth 2.0 without yet having understood how Earth works.
""We spent all our lives excluded," he tells them, "They laughed at us and pulled us down, those ordinary people."
But the others aren't excluded. When the crisis starts they've people they want to be with - thier families.

User Image - Blocked by "Display Image" Settings. Click to show."Martha Jones is keeping you alive" the Doctor tells the clone as he removes Martha from the machine by which she's doing so. He's not just making a choice here that Martha will live and CloneMartha will die...he's talking CloneMartha through it so she understands that's what he's doing.

On the otherside of the spectrum, the reason the Doctor has to go to the Sontaran ship rather than explode it with a delay switch is because he says he's "got to give them the choice" as to whether they will live or die.

User Image - Blocked by "Display Image" Settings. Click to show.Despite deriding words as being the weapons of women, the Sontarans are entirely motivated by linguistics. Thier war with the Rutans is not for any material motive (See ya Marx! Thanks for helping out at the top of the post, but don't let the door slam on your way out!) but purely to attain the abstract concept of 'victory'. To be able to say "We won." Everything they do is "for the glory of Sontar." Doing X for the glory of Y is such a familiar phrase that its signifigance might just slip past us, so stop and think for a moment about what it is to bestow glory (or shame) upon a name. A name that acquires glory means something more prestigious after that aquistion, a name that acquires shame means something less prestigious after that aquistion. If everything the Sontarans do is to glorify Sontar then everything they do is simply to change the meaning of a word.

User Image - Blocked by "Display Image" Settings. Click to show.So if the whole situation is caused by names, how is it resolved?
Martha calls her clone by the name "Martha." This act of naming resolves the clone's identity crisis and alows her to act like Martha. In return she gives the Doctor the name of the gas flooding the Earth, and that name was all the Doctor needed to resolve the situation. Words might be the weapons of women after all, as the Sontaran plan is defeated by two women exchanging names and another talking on a mobile phone.
No wonder the Doctor kept telling UNIT to stop fighting. There was never any war here. There was only ever language.
Even the deaths are just translations; "He wasn't Greyhound 40. His name was Ross."

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PostPosted: Sun May 11, 2008 4:14 pm


Richard--Volcanoes can change the climate.
It is theorized that the Little Ice Age was at least partially caused by major volcanic eruptions.


NASA
Global cooling often has been linked with major volcanic eruptions. The year 1816 often has been referred to as "the year without a summer." It was a time of significant weather-related disruptions in New England and in Western Europe with killing summer frosts in the United States and Canada. These strange phenomena were attributed to a major eruption of the Tambora volcano in 1815 in Indonesia. The volcano threw sulfur dioxide gas into the stratosphere, and the aerosol layer that formed led to brilliant sunsets seen around the world for several years.
PostPosted: Mon May 12, 2008 1:02 am


Thanks!
I'll work that in and rephrase the point.

It's odd that Doctor Who's so fixed on this at the moment as just before Voyage of the Damned went out then Davies said in an interview...

Davies

You worry about kids in real life growing up hearing global warming is going to kill us. You could do a Doctor Who set in fifty years' time when we have run out of water, but I think children are surrounded by that all day long. Also, it would be false and hollow for the Doctor to solve global warming.


Yet here we are. confused

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Eirwyn

PostPosted: Mon May 12, 2008 7:05 pm


He doesn't have to solve it, just quietly draw attention to it in a way the older audience may see & understand.
PostPosted: Tue May 13, 2008 7:04 pm


Yay! More material to read over! heart
I'm glad I got here before you posted for the next episode.. I've missed this thread. ^^

It seems every episode they mention global warming/climate change or whatever the case may be.. like last season's Gridlock. I dare to say it's been over-done between that and all of this season.

Additionally.. Donna's mentioned the odd case of the bees disappearing at least two or three times. Any chance it's going to show up as main plotline any time soon? I remember an old S3 trailer with a massive-sized wasp thing chasing Donna..but I haven't seen that in a while..

Oooh. Sudden random connection.
Bees like flowers. Flower=Rose.
Hm.... I'm probably thinking too much into it, but I'll leave this here in case I get to look back and say I was right when it's all over with. biggrin

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PostPosted: Wed May 14, 2008 4:25 pm


This rambling reply is intended as a response to both Eirwyn and Ceribri's points. I've just started by quoting Eirwyn's as a means of trying to pull my thoughts together. We'll see if that works.

Eirwyn
He doesn't have to solve it, just quietly draw attention to it in a way the older audience may see & understand.


This is the thing though... Davies has spotted that children are "surrounded [...] all day long" by the Climate Change narative. Possibly things are different in America where, I'm lead to understand, political/social consensus about the matter is much further away from the scientific consensus than it is here in Europe...so you'll just have to trust me on this. A British child is going to know exactly what concerns are being dealt with in The Poison Sky.

Climate Change is (and this has nothing to do with how true or false it is) the dominant End of The World Myth of our culture right now. When people imagine how human civilisation's going to end, then that's what they're picturing. Just like Donna said in Planet of the Ood.

Interestingly...it wasn't the dominant End of the World Myth during the run of the English Series. Back then if you'd asked people how they thought human civilisation was going to end then they'd have been picturing nuclear war.

Needless to say, English Who did not shy away from incorporating that particular End of the World Myth. It stirred the whole theme of appocalyptic nuclear war into the mix from its second ever storyline (you know the one. The one that's the reason the show continued) and didn't STFU about it until...well, until Survival really.

English Who remained utterly fixated with the End of the World Myth of the culture which produced it (nuclear war) so what's different about the way that Welsh Who fixates on the End of the World Myth of the culture which produces it (climate change)?

I'll tell you in a minute, but first lets look at that second claim of Davies' - "It would be false and hollow for the Doctor to solve global warming"

Well, yes. Yes it would. But why?

Kathryn Hume in Fantasy and Mimesis - Responses to Reality in Western Literature (one of my favourite works of literary theory) talks about the 'Literature of Engagement' versus the 'Literature of Disengagement'. Basically this is all about whether or not a story makes you want to change the real world or helps you to ignore it.

We've all got the idea of 'escapist fiction' - stories from which we run to hide from the real world in. "Arghhh! I can't cope with how messy and complicated the twenth-first century is! I'm off to watch Star Trek where things are nice and I'm going to imagine the world is like that!"

These fictions are consolatory. They say, "Aw, there there" to the reader/viewer, give us a mug of soup and a blanket to hide under. It's the Literature of Disengagement because it allows us to disengage from the world.

That's why the "Doctor solves global warming" story would be hollow and false. Nothing would have changed in the real world, but the viewer would have been allowed to feel a bit better about that by being given a happier pretend world to hide in. And the viewer would be that much less likely to do anything about the situation in the real world.

So...was the English Series' treatment of the then-current Nuclear End of The World Myth a hollow and false escape from reality? No. It was the opposite. It was a Literature of Engagement.

The Cold War was an insane perpetuation of military logic... Mutually Assured Destruction had the most appropriate acronym ever produced. English Who taught generation after generation of kids to question, challenge and (most importantly) mock not just the assumptions underlying the situation but the whole logic on which they were based.

And that, my dears, is the beautiful story of how a BBC kids show saved the world from Nuclear War.

Well, no. Obviously it didn't. But it did lead and encourage its viewers into facing the real world and dealing with it, which is as much as you can hope for. The Doctor's Daughter (to jump ahead of ourselves) gets this exactly right - the Doctor doesn't reproduce genetically, he reproduces memetically...through the transmission of ideas rather than the transmission of DNA. Jenny isn't his daughter until the point where she takes on his ideals and methods. Just like Martha has and just like the colony that will come to be built on the myth of the 'man who never would'.

The exciting thing about this is that, while genes can't pass through the barrier between fiction and reality, there isn't even a barrier there at all as far as memes are concerned. Doctorishness reproduces itself in the real world all the time, and it does so in the form of engagement with the real world. Pass it on.

So then...back to The Poison Sky. At the end of this story, the human race has fallen out of love with cars. It is, as Silvia says, "lovely." The events of the story have caused our society to turn our backs on the horrible dangerous things. It's presented as part of the episode's big 'Feel Good Moment' and underscored as such with some Feel Good music. But why should the audience feel good? Nothing's happened in thier world.

What we've been given is a "hollow and false" world to hide in. A world in which the Doctor has partly saved us from Global warming. It's a literature of disengagement that allows us to feel safe and secure in fantasyworld, rather than a more potent fantasy of the sort which spurs people on to change thier own reality. It stinks.

But then there's the bees.

Here in the real world, it's almost certianly climate change that's causing the bee population to fall. But where are those Whoniverse bees going?

This theme's not over until we know and we can't come to any firm conclusions about what's being said until we do. I think the fake consolation and solace offered by the Poison Sky is truly contemptable, but hopefully when we've got the big picture then it'll be one that's a lot less comforting and a lot more challenging. In short, one that's a lot more Doctor Who.
PostPosted: Mon May 19, 2008 2:58 am


Hoping I get a chance to write up The Doctor's Daughter and The Unicorn and the Wasp tonight, as there's some juicy stuff there.

Does anyone else think the pivot around which everything it turning is the idea of 'Posterity'? The theme about generations and reproduction, the theme about people being turned into gods and legends, the stuff about names, the stuff about Christie being remember until the year 5-and-lots-of-noughts and the Doctor becoming the founding myth of the Hath/Juman colony.

The question tying this season together seems to be, "What do we leave the world after we've gone?"

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Eirwyn

PostPosted: Mon May 19, 2008 4:33 pm


Including "What kind of crappy mess of a world do we leave to our descendants"?
PostPosted: Mon May 19, 2008 5:11 pm


Absolutely! smile

(I'm Richard_Swift on his other DC Comics based account, BTW. I'm sure you'd all have guessed)

If I'm right that this is the major theme, it'll be a strangely appropriate note to end on as we head into the gap year!

Status report:
Halfway through writing up The Doctor's Daughter, but keep getting distracted because I'd rather be writing up The Unicorn and the Wasp!

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PostPosted: Mon May 19, 2008 8:12 pm


I can't wait to read what you've written for The Doctor's Daughter.

Thought the ending was a bit contrived though, but meh. Better than I hoped. Poor Doctor. =/
*wanders off to find discussion thread*
PostPosted: Wed May 21, 2008 12:06 pm


Richard_Swift

The question tying this season together seems to be, "What do we leave the world after we've gone?"


I'm so glad I posted this before it was announced Davies is leaving! wink

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PostPosted: Sat May 24, 2008 6:43 am


Running in the family...

The Doctor's Daughter

User Image - Blocked by "Display Image" Settings. Click to show.The ultra-prosaic title might be the most fannish in-joke the series has done so far (it's a play on The Doctor's Wife, a fake episode JN-T managed to convince fans he was making) but it's the title we're left with...so what does it mean?

Well according to the publicity it just means Jenny, and if you're boring then that's where you stopped thinking. In the episode itself then there's more than one "Doctor's Daughter" kicking around:



User Image - Blocked by "Display Image" Settings. Click to show.Daughter Number One: This World of Human and Hath.
"Make the foundation of this society a man who never would!"

Never mind saving the universe. This might be the hugest thing the Doctor's ever done. The Doctor's not just allowed this colony to be born, he's insisting that they take him and his values as that which thier whole way of seeing the world is to be based on.
He's just reproduced himself a million times over.

User Image - Blocked by "Display Image" Settings. Click to show.It's also interesting to compare this to the other times he's been 'deified' this season. Caecillius' family turn him into a god behind his back, then later he just politely accepts his place in Ood mythology. This time he's compelling people to build their culture around the teachings of thier saviour (him).

Throughout the episode the Doctor is typically dismissive of creation myths, jumping to the conclusion that Messaline's conceals a weapon. After Jenny's death, mythology becomes a weapon that he is prepared to use.

User Image - Blocked by "Display Image" Settings. Click to show. Daughter Number Two: Doctor Martha Jones.
We've all seen the 'Companion separated from the Doctor' scenario before (it was a great way of filling up time back when stories had four weeks to pad out) but what's apparent as soon as the tunnel collapses between our heroes is that we're not seeing that scenario here.

Martha, not technically a companion here and certainly not acting like one, gets straight into her own stuff, tending to the wounded Hath, a hero in her own right.
"I'm Doctor Martha Jones, who the Hell are you?"

User Image - Blocked by "Display Image" Settings. Click to show.This continues in the scene at the map where Martha and the Doctor are mirrored, taking each others roles as the episode cuts between them. Presenting them as interchangable. In the story that Martha is in, she's the Doctor. She's the one working out the dangerous "lets go over the surface" plan that nobody else can see.




User Image - Blocked by "Display Image" Settings. Click to show.She even takes a companion.
"You can stay down here and live your life in the shadows" she tells her hath friend, "or come with me and stand in the open air [...] It's up to you, but nothing's going to stop me."
It's the exact same chance to step out of the bromeliad that the Doctor offers to those he chooses.
But, like some of those, the Hath who steps out of the shadows dies.
In the previous story Martha said that the Doctor was, "wonderful. He's brilliant. But he's like fire. Stand too close and people get burned."
The future myths of the Hath may well say the same about Doctor Martha Jones.

User Image - Blocked by "Display Image" Settings. Click to show.Ah, yes. Doctor Martha Jones. Have a look at how they play that goodbye scene.
"Goodbye Doctor"
"Goodbye Doctor Jones."
It's like the Doctor is bestowing his name and his status on her. He's filled her full of his values and skills, given her his name and sent her off into the world. He's reproduced himself.
That's why she's so keen to get out of his television series and back into her own life - she's finished gestating now. Unlike Donna, a work in progress, who can't yet imagine a life away from the Doctor anymore than a foetus can imagine life outside the womb.

User Image - Blocked by "Display Image" Settings. Click to show.Daughter Number Three : Oh, alright then. Let's talk about Jenny.
Is Jenny the Doctor's Daughter? Big question. We'll have to break it up. First of all, does she think she is?
Her initial "Hello Dad" seems to be a 'cute' response to the Doctor calling her his daughter rather than any indication of what she considers him to be. Indeed, she acts as if she's making a witty comment by saying "Hello dad" and if the humans of Messaline do simply consider the people from whose tissue samples they're grown to be thier parents then there's no joke there for her to be cute about.

User Image - Blocked by "Display Image" Settings. Click to show.Do the Messaline humans really have a functional concept of the tissue donors as 'fathers'?
From what Jenny does next, it seems not. She defers at once to Cline rather than to her progenator, and intends to wait for a name to be 'assigned' to her by the military structure rather than by her parent.
Cobb talks repeatedly about the soliders as being 'Children of the Machine', suggesting thier culture sees the reproductive tech rather than the tissue donor as being the real parent. Everything implies that, until quite late, Jenny has no reason to think of the Doctor as her genuine 'dad' but simply as a skilled soldier from whom she can learn.

User Image - Blocked by "Display Image" Settings. Click to show.But is Jenny the Doctor's Daughter?
Well, what does the Doctor think?
The simple answer seems to be that at first he thinks no ("My daughter. Except she isn't") and later thinks yes ("You're my daughter, and we've only just got started"). But you have to decide why the Doctor's hesitating before saying "She's my daughter" in the pre-credit sequence. Is he struggling to find the closest word for what she is before settling reluctantly on the imprecise 'daughter', or does he know that 'daughter' is the right word but hesitates as he's reluctant to say it?
Is this a story about the Doctor overcoming 'being in denial' over fatherhood, or a story about him changing his mind?

User Image - Blocked by "Display Image" Settings. Click to show.And if he does change his mind, what causes him to?
After that inital, bewildered, reference to her as his daughter, the Doctor quickly switches into Science Mode to start qualifying it. To start explaining that she's his daughter in purely sci-fi technobabble terms.
"You can't extrapolate a relationship from a biological accident" he tells Donna.
"The Child Support Agency can" she replies.


User Image - Blocked by "Display Image" Settings. Click to show.The analogy here is with accidental fathering, and Donna's point is that in her culture a man who didn't intend to produce a child nevertheless has certain responsibilities to that child.
However, since Jenny wasn't produced by an 18th century condom splitting mid-dance with Reinette, but rather by being grown from a tissue sample taken at gunpoint then the comparison doesn't really work. Better analogies would be to either sperm-donation or to rape.
Of course, our own culture says that men who willingly produce children through sperm donation don't have any responsibilities towards them but that women who unwillingly produce children as a result of having been raped do. So all this really tells us is that our own culture is insane.

User Image - Blocked by "Display Image" Settings. Click to show.Gamely though, Donna perseveres with her biological argument, demonstrating Jenny's connection to the Doctor by means of her two hearts.
He seems quite interested, but look at what he says when asked what makes someone a Time Lord...
"A sum of knoweldge. A code. A shared history. A shared suffering."
You'll notice there's nothing about biology in there.
Perhaps we should expect this from a 'race' who can arguably regenerate into other species, but it's nevertheless striking that the Doctor entirely defines his people in terms of cultural material to the complete exclusion of the biological. Bodies don't matter.

User Image - Blocked by "Display Image" Settings. Click to show.So what does?
It looks like Jenny isn't born the Doctor's daughter, she doesn't see it that way and neither does the Doctor, but instead she becomes the Doctor's daughter. As she starts to ask what the Doctor's for (I love what he's for), learns the joy of running, throws away her gun and absorbs the Doctor's values and methods.
At the end she heads off into her world to do all the stuff the Doctor does, just as Martha heads off into her world to be a hero there.
The Doctor has reproduced.



User Image - Blocked by "Display Image" Settings. Click to show.User Image - Blocked by "Display Image" Settings. Click to show.So what do all these instances of 'fathering' have in common?

The Doctor fathers the Colony, Martha and Jenny and all of this he does by spreading ideas rather than by spreading his alien seed. The idea seems to be that the Doctor reproduces mimetically rather than genetically. By distributing concepts rather than DNA.



User Image - Blocked by "Display Image" Settings. Click to show.Cobb almost seems to see the spread of ideas and the spread of biological material being as the same thing. He talks about there having been "an outbreak of pacifism" as if the concept was a virus, and later says "Don't think you can infect us with your peacemaking." The Doctor even uses the same language to express the opposite view, warning Jenny that becoming a killer "infects you."
On one level this story could be read as a straightforward 'nature versus nurture' tale, or perhaps more broadly as 'bodies versus minds' (Cobb asks the Doctor how he will stop his army, the Doctor taps his noggin). But what it really seems to be saying is that bodies and minds work in more or less the same way.

User Image - Blocked by "Display Image" Settings. Click to show. When you hear the baddies shouting things like "You're a child of the machine...it's in your blood!" and the goodies solemnly intoning things like "We always have a choice" then it's easy to think this episode is telling us to rise above the base and savage demands of our bodies and step into the freedom offered by the world of the mind.
But the body is often shown to be one step ahead...
"I don't know where we're going but my old hand seems very excited"


User Image - Blocked by "Display Image" Settings. Click to show.Watch the Doctor's reaction closely as he's 'processed'.
The bit where it takes a tissue sample gets a couple of mild "Ow!"s.
The bit where it extrapolates that data gets a string of genuinely pained "OW!"s.
Which is odd, because you'd expect someone to be able to feel a sample being taken but not to be able to feel the data from that sample being analysed. Have a blood test done and you feel the blood being drawn, you don't feel anything when the pathologists analyse that blood an hour afterwards.
But with our Mystery Man it seems the other way around. The concrete physical part of the process doesn't hurt as much as the abstract part where someone learns something definate about him. Stripping away the Doctor's secrets causes him direct physical pain. (Now go and watch The Two Doctors with this in mind)


User Image - Blocked by "Display Image" Settings. Click to show.Athletic blonde hottie who's the latest in thousands of generations of soldiers fighting an unwinnable war, but who learns to transcend the direction of the old guys telling her what to do and thus to change the rules.

Yep, even though she only dies once, Jenny's got a few things in common with Miss Summers. The big irony though is that Davies happily admits he modelled the format for Doctor Who's revival on that of Buffy. So while in narative terms he know has 'Buffy' for a daughter, in media production terms he now has Buffy for a mother.


User Image - Blocked by "Display Image" Settings. Click to show."This is a theatre..." remember how in the Sontaran two-parter we saw that war was presented as being first and foremost a matter of language? Go back and have a read if you don't. It's quite important. That idea's extended here into war as a sustained linguistic performance. A staged conflict . A theatre of war.
The Doctor's too fixed on his own concerns to engage with this at first ("Maybe they're doing Miss Saigon," he says. A play which deals, of course, with children conceived in war) but eventally comes to end the war with an illocutionary act; "I'm the Doctor, and I declare this war is over"

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For more linguistic warfare, see the Doctor's insistence that he's in the dictonary as the very definition of what will stop Cobb.
Then watch the cell scene in which Jenny translates every thing the Doctor does into military terms.
Which disempowers him by leaving him "speechless."



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This adventure is a quest for the 'Source'...the creation myth. The thing that came first. Where do we come from? Nature or nurture? The meme or the gene? The idea or the body? What's the Source of us?
"Your whole history is chinese whispers," The Doctor tells the colonists, "Getting more distorted the more its passed on."
But is this a bad thing? Surely the bad thing is that the colony's culture has stopped. That it's got stuck at an artifically self-sustaining point. The Doctor knows this, as look at what his solution is - "A cocktail of stuff for accelerated evolution." Evolution works by things getting more distorted the more they're passed on. It doesn't matter if the information that comprises us comes from our bodies or our minds, what matters is that it keeps changing. That we don't get stuck as Sontarans, endless identical repetitions of the generation before us.
Mutating ideas. Mutating DNA. All passed on, all in flux.
What's the source of us? Chinese whispers.
PostPosted: Sat May 24, 2008 7:00 am


Wow. This was one of the more in-depth reviews, I think. It really changes things when you see Martha coming into her own, and I didn't even consider the fact that she'd even got a companion!

I tend to disagree with evolution, but that's just me. For Doctor Who, it's too complex to really summarize the source of everything, so it all works out in the end.

It's also interesting to see how the Doctor comes about as recognizing/acknowledging Jenny.

Thank you (yet again) for a very well-done and much needed review!!

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PostPosted: Sat May 24, 2008 7:17 am


Thanks Ceribri!
It really made my head hurt trying to unpick that episode, and I'm not convinced I've done that good a job of it. Things are starting to get complicated now! sweatdrop

As ever, your kind words spur me on.

Ceribri

I tend to disagree with evolution, but that's just me.

Fair doos. Bear in mind though that I'm using the word 'evolution' above just to talk about changes from generation to generation, rather than specificly talking about Darwinism, Lamarckism or any other specific sciencey theory. I'm not even particularly talking about biology, as much as where cultural transmission and biological transmission intersect.

At least I think that's what I'm talking about. My head still hurts.

Maybe I need a cup of tea.
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