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Ever worked 40 hours a week in a job you just "put up with?" Maybe I'm an exception to the rule, but I can't stand it. The free time isn't enough, especially if it's not a good enough job that I get a lot of vacation time.
Yeah, I have, and I disagree. The free time is just fine. But see, that's my point; You're not going to College just to do something different. You're going to College because of the advantages you receive; Vacation time is part of the pay.

Mm, I'm not explaining myself as well as I'd like. sweatdrop Is there a minimum wage job that you would enjoy? I'm pretty sure everyone has a job that they wouldn't mind doing, if it weren't for the fact that it's minimum wage or whatever. I like working at the coffeeshop I work at now. Other people might like working for the Red Cross. But jobs like this that you can enjoy, and don't need a college degree. Why would you get a college degree for a job, when there are enjoyable jobs at the ground level, and you won't get paid any better or worse with a college degree?

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...Not sure if you're familiar with the relationship between socialism and communism...they're essentially the same thing, with different means to the end.
xd What I think is funny is that that's exactly what everyone who isn't a communist or socialist says. But there is, in fact, a big difference; Socialism is a step towards Communism in that, yes, they want the same thing, but in one case they think that everyone should be receiving exactly the same thing, and in the other case they think that money should be redistributed some from those who have more than enough to those who have too little. The difference is, really, working within Capitalism and trying to completely get rid of money entirely. I can respect the second, even though I disagree. I can't respect the first.

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They already do that. Millions of people get money from the government, and thousands of organizations do too. Which is why some people refuse to pay taxes--not that they get away with it...
That's my point though. The government shouldn't be; Or at least, ideally, that's what I feel. People should just do it on their own. However, I do agree to an extent that there are some things that have to be done, and wouldn't receive enough money if done privately. Like a limited welfare. But only to an extent; When the Government does it, gets corrupted, because it's not being done by people who truly care and want to help, it's being done by people who are doing it as a job and so it's more easily corruptible. So I would say that the Government should be making sure that no one is starving because they are incapable of work, and they should be making sure that you can live off of minimum wage, but that's it.
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As I said, I think the government needs to step in because of the few greedy assholes who don't care about the poor. (Not you...) We don't let society off with "okay, so some people will rape and murder, but we don't want to force people to not do it, so we'll just keep it legal."

Not sure about the plant, btw, I'd have to do some research. IIRC, productivity did indeed go up; people usually work "harder" when they enjoy their jobs, as they're not so inclined to slack off.
xd I disagree. When they enjoy their jobs, sure. But I doubt that those people enjoyed putting cars together. They enjoyed each other's company. When you enjoy the company of your workers but not your job, you spend more time slacking off. I know; That's how it is at the coffeeshop. It's not like I like taking care of customers, or cleaning. I like my coworkers. And whenever our manager or owner aren't around, we slack off whenever possible. wink

Anyways though, the thing is, while I agree that those who have should be helping those who have not, it's a big step to say that the Government should be regulating it. It's like if you see someone drowning in a lake, and you could save them. Sure, it'd be disgraceful and disgusting not to. But should the government force you to? Or compulsory organ donating. Ooh, even better, compulsory blood donations. While donating blood is a great thing to do, and really saves lives, should the government force those who are greedily holding onto their blood to donate anyways? Assuming, of course, that we are barring people who's blood is not actually usable, even maybe barring people who just have an extreme phobia of needles or something. Like I do. sweatdrop I'm always embarrassed that I don't donate blood. sad

And wow, that's a huge step to say that this is like keeping rape or murder legal. xd


Eventually the fun jobs will be filled up. Even then, those menial tasks are just that- menial. People likely would not want to stay there. Considering that 1- there will be people like Zin and I who wish to work someplace we truly enjoy and 2- all of the fun menial jobs will fill up (There simply couldn't be 500 million coffee shop workers) people would need to either take LESS fun menial jobs or get educated to do something else.
Why are you more likely to enjoy your job if it's something that requires college education? I know plenty of college-educated people who make a bit of money, and none of them are working where they are because they absolutely love going to work everyday, gee skippy! For less work, they could have gotten a job they enjoy just as much or possibly even more. I really wouldn't mind being a garbage collector, a plumber, a janitor. Collecting animal dung, picking dead animals off the side of the road, pulling bodies out of the river...a job is a job is a job. Who defines what a "fun" menial job is?


You do! If you wouldn't mind pulling bodies from a river or melting plastic into pencaps, by all means go ahead! But, there are two things, again, to keep this from happening worldwide.

1- Eventually, even those jobs would be filled up if everyone went for them.

2- Not everyone has such low standards. Some people WANT to be physicists or chemists, because it interests them.