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 Posted: Sun Aug 07, 2005 8:21 pm
Might I add a valuable piece of information first?
One major problem I have with this book, is that it has actual witchcraft in it, and actual curses.
In the first book, there is a phrase, a curse, in latin (come on, no little kid is gunna know latin, a dead language. Ha, dead. Who's god of the dead?) which says in english "Whoever reads this book shall keep reading"
Basically putting a curse on those who "just can't quite seem to put the book down"
My friend was in the occult before he came to Christ, so he's told me alot of this stuff.
My opinion is, that I am against it because it does have actual witchcraft.
Now, I already hate movies like "Hocuspokus" or "Holloween Town" or whatever. But not enough to ban it because, as far as I know, it doesn't have actual witcraft in it. THOUGH, those spirits easily still linger around, it doesn't curse people.
I like Lord of the Rings, but it's just like World of Warcraft, wizards, dwarfs, etc. etc. and the like. But I don't like World of Warcraft. I like the Chronicals of Narnia much better. But that still has witchraft? Yes, it sure does have magic in it. But it's ot a realistic magic.
I hope you can see what I'm saying.
Harry Potter is portraying real magic to kids in a fictional book. That's just sick. That's up there with feeding ground-up-diseased-cow to healthy cow (mad cow disease) and feeding puss-filled-deformed-chicken to healthy chicken (Yes that's going on.), and pouring out your poop out into the street (i.e. black plauge) THEN blaming it on everything else. That's sick of that writer to do that to little kids.
So, as I restate:
It's got real magic and real curses in it, the embodiment of the devils' forces in a book.
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Posted: Mon Aug 08, 2005 2:14 pm
Harry Potter points the people who listen to it in the wrong direction. I was forced to read the book in third grade, watch the first movie in fourth, and watch the second in fifth. It was sad to see that people actually watch it. Magic is not of God, and, even though it's "just another movie", look at other movies. The Devil's Rejects, some people say, "is just another movie," but a friend who saw it says it was blasphemising God, which, in other words, is against God. Harry Potter is showing kids at young ages when their minds are young and they are gullable, they will actually believe such things, and they will go to witch-craft. I returned from a retreat on Sunday, and on this retreat, a friend said that when people who study wizardry pray, they do it while have orgies and three-way sex ( sorry for the vocabulary ). I will create a thread latter on about what I learned on the retreat. Anyway, witch-craft and wizardry is wrong. All you have to do to prove it is to look around, do some research, and ask people who know these things. Point proven.
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Posted: Tue Aug 09, 2005 1:46 pm
There are far worse things out there than Harry Potter. We've got churches losing sight of actually bringing people to Christ, the anti-Christian vibes that hang around these days, kids that don't get to stay kids past 3rd grade...and you guys have to complain about a book?
lol An actual curse to keep people reading? Just because it's in latin doesn't make it a curse razz . It's just another language. One that OUR language and many many others borrow from. The "curse" itself, I think, was just a drop of humor added in by Rowling. Think about it. She had to put something there.
You guys worry about whatever seems worse to you though. A book about wizards or a world where God isn't welcome.
No, not just God. The idea of God.
Because it seems like that's nearly here.
And umm...Angel_Kokoro?
To say that Satan is the god of the dead is seriously unworthy of repeating. That would mean that God has nothing to do with the dead. God has everything to do with the dead. Just the same as He has everything to do with the living. Satan doesn't have power of any kind. He can only manipulate and decieve.
Remember in Job? God had to GRANT Satan power to do these things to Job. Even then it had limitations. "But save his life.".
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Posted: Tue Aug 09, 2005 7:00 pm
[Krystal.Dawn] There are far worse things out there than Harry Potter. We've got churches losing sight of actually bringing people to Christ, the anti-Christian vibes that hang around these days, kids that don't get to stay kids past 3rd grade...and you guys have to complain about a book? lol An actual curse to keep people reading? Just because it's in latin doesn't make it a curse razz . It's just another language. One that OUR language and many many others borrow from. The "curse" itself, I think, was just a drop of humor added in by Rowling. Think about it. She had to put something there. You guys worry about whatever seems worse to you though. A book about wizards or a world where God isn't welcome. No, not just God. The idea of God. Because it seems like that's nearly here. And umm...Angel_Kokoro? To say that Satan is the god of the dead is seriously unworthy of repeating. That would mean that God has nothing to do with the dead. God has everything to do with the dead. Just the same as He has everything to do with the living. Satan doesn't have power of any kind. He can only manipulate and decieve. Remember in Job? God had to GRANT Satan power to do these things to Job. Even then it had limitations. "But save his life.". And you are also incorrect. Satan does have power. God had to have someone agaist Him and His followers to show that He truly loves us and would always protect us. Satan has the power to control people, manipulate, and other things I will get into tomorrow. Good night and God bless.
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Posted: Tue Aug 09, 2005 7:31 pm
[.teh.shmexeh.] [Krystal.Dawn] There are far worse things out there than Harry Potter. We've got churches losing sight of actually bringing people to Christ, the anti-Christian vibes that hang around these days, kids that don't get to stay kids past 3rd grade...and you guys have to complain about a book? lol An actual curse to keep people reading? Just because it's in latin doesn't make it a curse razz . It's just another language. One that OUR language and many many others borrow from. The "curse" itself, I think, was just a drop of humor added in by Rowling. Think about it. She had to put something there. You guys worry about whatever seems worse to you though. A book about wizards or a world where God isn't welcome. No, not just God. The idea of God. Because it seems like that's nearly here. And umm...Angel_Kokoro? To say that Satan is the god of the dead is seriously unworthy of repeating. That would mean that God has nothing to do with the dead. God has everything to do with the dead. Just the same as He has everything to do with the living. Satan doesn't have power of any kind. He can only manipulate and decieve. Remember in Job? God had to GRANT Satan power to do these things to Job. Even then it had limitations. "But save his life.". And you are also incorrect. Satan does have power. God had to have someone agaist Him and His followers to show that He truly loves us and would always protect us. Satan has the power to control people, manipulate, and other things I will get into tomorrow. Good night and God bless. I did say that he manipulates and decieves. That's not real power.
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Posted: Wed Aug 10, 2005 1:59 pm
[Krystal.Dawn] [.teh.shmexeh.] [Krystal.Dawn] There are far worse things out there than Harry Potter. We've got churches losing sight of actually bringing people to Christ, the anti-Christian vibes that hang around these days, kids that don't get to stay kids past 3rd grade...and you guys have to complain about a book? lol An actual curse to keep people reading? Just because it's in latin doesn't make it a curse razz . It's just another language. One that OUR language and many many others borrow from. The "curse" itself, I think, was just a drop of humor added in by Rowling. Think about it. She had to put something there. You guys worry about whatever seems worse to you though. A book about wizards or a world where God isn't welcome. No, not just God. The idea of God. Because it seems like that's nearly here. And umm...Angel_Kokoro? To say that Satan is the god of the dead is seriously unworthy of repeating. That would mean that God has nothing to do with the dead. God has everything to do with the dead. Just the same as He has everything to do with the living. Satan doesn't have power of any kind. He can only manipulate and decieve. Remember in Job? God had to GRANT Satan power to do these things to Job. Even then it had limitations. "But save his life.". And you are also incorrect. Satan does have power. God had to have someone agaist Him and His followers to show that He truly loves us and would always protect us. Satan has the power to control people, manipulate, and other things I will get into tomorrow. Good night and God bless. I did say that he manipulates and decieves. That's not real power. Satan has power. Job 2:7 Satan left the LORD'S presence and struck Job with painful boils from the soles of his feet to the top of his head. This particular one is about possesion ( sp? ). Satan has the power to possess people. Mat 16:23 But Jesus turned and said to Peter, "Get out of my way, Satan! You are tempting me to sin. You aren't thinking the way God thinks but the way humans think." Joh 13:27 Then, after Judas took the piece of bread, Satan entered him. So Jesus told him, "Hurry! Do what you have to do."
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Posted: Mon Aug 22, 2005 3:19 pm
I think this entire thing about Harry Potter is really a question of how you think personally.
If you read these books and then want to go out and practice witchcraft or whatever because of them, then sure, the books are evil: to you.
If you can read these books and you have no desire whatsoever to practice witchcraft and you aren't swayed in your faith in God, then I believe that they're okay.
I think the same goes for anything else, whether it be video games, movies, tv shows, Dungeons & Dragons or whatever. If you are able to realize that it is all just fantasy, and you keep it there, then I don't think there's any harm in it.
As far as there being witchcraft in them, even the Bible has witchcraft in it. In Acts, two of the apostles met a sorcerer named Simon. I don't remember the exact chapter and verse, but I remember that it's in there.
If witchcraft being in the book would make a book evil, then the Bible would be evil in that case.
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Posted: Fri Aug 26, 2005 11:21 am
Rowena Marion Here's the thing: I like Harry Potter. I've like it since I was eight, and I knew, even then, that it wasn't real. I don't believe in magic, hence, I don't believe that magic could be used for good. As long as Children reading the books know that magic isn't real, the issue of whether they think magic can be used for good or not is irrelivent. For the record: I was not a Chirstian when I read the first three books. But now, after being born again, I still read the books, I'm still the geek that stands in line at the book store or the theater. (I do the same thing with Star Wars, and no one has challenged me on that, even though it could be viewed as just as bad as Harry Potter. I'd also like to point out that Lord of the Rings contains magic, as does the Narnia series, but they don't get a bad rep because the authors of these books were Christians.) Heck, I want to be a pastor, and I read Harry Potter. I've talked about it with people from my Youth Group, I actually took the book with me on a retreat, and no one minded, because it can be seen in a Christian light.Yes, you heard me. It can. One link: Sunday School Lessons from Harry Potter^I admit that this one is a little thin, but it's very short, and does make some excellent points, though, to understand it, you will have had to read the books. I also encourage you to find a copy of the book Faith Journey Through Fantasy Lands: A Christian Dialogne with Harry Potter, Star Wars, and Lord of the Rings by Russell W. Dalton. It is almost 200 pages, but it explains many views on the topic, and supplies evidence both for and against these myths. ^^ A qoute from the above (my comments are in blue): Special Section: Dangers along the Path, pg 159 THe Harry Potter stories in particular have been the focus of a great deal of attention, as the children in the stories are learning to be witches and wizards... Do the Harry Potter stories encourage witchcraft? There are several reasons why it is difficult to claim they do. First of all, the author, J.K. Rowling, addamantly denies that this is her goal, and there is a good readson to believe her. Rowling has been the victim of slanderous and completely unfounded rumors (often passed on by Christians) that accuse her of being a pracitising witch sho is using hte books to recruit children into the occult and Wicca. Rowling does not talk much about her religious life, bus she does make it cleadr tha she is not a Wiccan but a Christian, that attends a Christian church, and that she believes in God and not magic. She las also ssaid that she has not met one child who became interested in becoming a witch because of her novels. Second, the magic performed in the Harry Potter stories does not serve as a beginner's guide to modern-day witchcraft, becuase the magic performed in them does not resmble the maigc performed by occlut groups. ....The magic at HOgwarts is not presented as religious practise that taps into the power of spirits. ...... Third, the books treat the magic that is performed in them as par of a world of make believe. They draw on myths, legends, and popular fictional conventions of witchcraft and wizardry, and treat them as a part of a fanciful world......When C.S. Lewis's Chronicles of Narnia was first released, they wer criticized because the featured creature from pagan mythology, heores casting spells, witches doing magic, good charcters reading the stars, and people using crystals. Now these books are almost universally hailed in Christian circles. It is a hard stretch, therefore, to cliam that these books are encouraging children to join Wicca, satanic, or other occult groups. the thing with lord of the rings is that it has magic but the whole story isn't just about magic unlike in harry potter where they're goin to a freakin SCHOOL for magic. that much different from just having magic in the story. this argument remindsme of a very similar in fact the same argument about the movies. in the harry potter movies, everywhere you look is magic. in the lord of the rings movies there is magic but its not all over in the movies . there is fighting and questing and magic is'nt used all the time. another thing when magic is used, it's made to seem fake unlike in harry potter where they brew stuff together and say magic words. that could make peopl aka kids beleive in it hence they try witchcraft. though in your veiw you are right if they have a strong might and know what is good and what's not then they are ok to read. but most of the time you don't know if the child or ault has a strong mind.
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Posted: Fri Aug 26, 2005 6:30 pm
I admit that I read Harry Potter. I like it and don't find it offensive to the least. I feel sorry for people that can't serperate fantasy from reality, but then again one like that can take anything and warp their life because of it. It isn't really that 'witchy' when you read it, it is fantasy. Just like Aladdin *Disney cartoon*, it's fun. Not like the craft were people were cursing others. There is always a battle against good and evil and Harry is on the good side...........
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Posted: Sat Aug 27, 2005 11:01 pm
What if Harry Potter were a book about science, and young Harry entered a school of math and logic and had to defeat the evil rouge biologist Voldemort who was killing people through bio-terrorism! We all know that science is real, and that it can have the power to persuade people of weaker faith that God is just a fallacy of logic or a mathematical conundrum. So I propose to keep kids away from Harry Potter and away from the evil corruptive powers of science. Sure there are some good scientists, but the human genome isn't mentioned once in the Bible, thus it's a tool of Satan and must be shunt! "But Harry's a scientist!", kiddies cry. "He get's to take rigorous bi-weekly examinations and he gets to wear a cool lab coat, and after 12 years of medical school he'll be a full fledged MD with a special emphasis on pediatrics, but only after he destroys dumb ol' Voldemort, who gave his parents a pretty nasty case of West Nile Virus!" Oh! The children will be flocking to the medical schools! We'll have lost them before we ever realized what was really happening! crying Why can't they understand that science is not the answer!!?? It breaks my heart. cry
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Posted: Sun Aug 28, 2005 8:50 pm
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Posted: Sun Sep 18, 2005 12:18 pm
Follow My Lied What if Harry Potter were a book about science, and young Harry entered a school of math and logic and had to defeat the evil rouge biologist Voldemort who was killing people through bio-terrorism! We all know that science is real, and that it can have the power to persuade people of weaker faith that God is just a fallacy of logic or a mathematical conundrum. So I propose to keep kids away from Harry Potter and away from the evil corruptive powers of science. Sure there are some good scientists, but the human genome isn't mentioned once in the Bible, thus it's a tool of Satan and must be shunt! "But Harry's a scientist!", kiddies cry. "He get's to take rigorous bi-weekly examinations and he gets to wear a cool lab coat, and after 12 years of medical school he'll be a full fledged MD with a special emphasis on pediatrics, but only after he destroys dumb ol' Voldemort, who gave his parents a pretty nasty case of West Nile Virus!" Oh! The children will be flocking to the medical schools! We'll have lost them before we ever realized what was really happening! crying Why can't they understand that science is not the answer!!?? It breaks my heart. cry I don't have faith in science either but I think you went off the deep end there.... On the Harry Potter topic again I finished the sixth book finally. And it is wrong for kids to want to go into things like witchcraft... I honestly believe that if one reads them, they will not feel as if it is so offensive- after all this is only a fantasy book, fantasy is a good excape from the mind as long as you are able to tell what is actually real in life after you indulge in something that innocent. I believe that for a child to warp and put blame on something that the devil already has to have a hold of them in a sense or another and the devil has no power that is not allowed or given to him. We can only let him get to us, if we stand by God we have nothing to fear.
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Posted: Sun Sep 18, 2005 1:20 pm
I read the books and I agree with Rashena.there is no real evil I could discern.now I can't find this curse you mentioned(I know latin btw)
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Posted: Tue Sep 27, 2005 5:50 am
Rashena Follow My Lied What if Harry Potter were a book about science, and young Harry entered a school of math and logic and had to defeat the evil rouge biologist Voldemort who was killing people through bio-terrorism! We all know that science is real, and that it can have the power to persuade people of weaker faith that God is just a fallacy of logic or a mathematical conundrum. So I propose to keep kids away from Harry Potter and away from the evil corruptive powers of science. Sure there are some good scientists, but the human genome isn't mentioned once in the Bible, thus it's a tool of Satan and must be shunt! "But Harry's a scientist!", kiddies cry. "He get's to take rigorous bi-weekly examinations and he gets to wear a cool lab coat, and after 12 years of medical school he'll be a full fledged MD with a special emphasis on pediatrics, but only after he destroys dumb ol' Voldemort, who gave his parents a pretty nasty case of West Nile Virus!" Oh! The children will be flocking to the medical schools! We'll have lost them before we ever realized what was really happening! crying Why can't they understand that science is not the answer!!?? It breaks my heart. cry I don't have faith in science either but I think you went off the deep end there.... On the Harry Potter topic again I finished the sixth book finally. And it is wrong for kids to want to go into things like witchcraft... I honestly believe that if one reads them, they will not feel as if it is so offensive- after all this is only a fantasy book, fantasy is a good excape from the mind as long as you are able to tell what is actually real in life after you indulge in something that innocent. I believe that for a child to warp and put blame on something that the devil already has to have a hold of them in a sense or another and the devil has no power that is not allowed or given to him. We can only let him get to us, if we stand by God we have nothing to fear. Yeah... I think he went off the deep end... but I think what he didn't realize is that not everybody can tell when hes being sarchastic.
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Posted: Sat Oct 08, 2005 5:40 pm
Simply because it is a book about magic does not mean that it is "Evil". If you think so, you are thinking way, WAY too far into it. It is a secular book that is meant for the entertainment of the masses, and it is FICTIONAL. Anyone who does not know that it is fictional and uses it for magic is - in a word - ignorant.
Harry Potter as a book, despite having magic in it, uses morals and lessons taught in the Bible. Most kids that read it learn goodness and moral values, not "evil magic." If you think that the magic in Harry Potter makes it evil, what of Lord of the Rings? What of the Chronicals of Narnia? Both contain magic, and yet, somehow they have not sparked a debate.
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